12 Minnesota cities are installing wi...

12 Minnesota cities are installing wind turbines, hoping to pro...

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Gndydncr

Fargo, ND

#85 Oct 19, 2009
PETA wrote:
PETA would like a photo of a Bald Eagle being killed by a windmill.
Is there a photo available?
Seek and ye shall find. Photoshop, here we come.
Topck

Saint Paul, MN

#86 Oct 19, 2009
Sam wrote:
On Aug. 13, ExxonMobil pleaded guilty in federal court to killing 85 birds that had come into contact with crude oil or other pollutants in uncovered tanks or waste-water facilities on its properties. The birds were protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, which dates back to 1918. The company agreed to pay $600,000 in fines and fees.
ExxonMobil is hardly alone in running afoul of this law. Over the past two decades, federal officials have brought hundreds of similar cases against energy companies. In July, for example, the Oregon-based electric utility PacifiCorp paid $1.4 million in fines and restitution for killing 232 eagles in Wyoming over the past two years. The birds were electrocuted by poorly-designed power lines.
Yet there is one group of energy producers that are not being prosecuted for killing birds: wind-power companies. And wind-powered turbines are killing a vast number of birds every year.
A July 2008 study of the wind farm at Altamont Pass, Calif., estimated that its turbines kill an average of 80 golden eagles per year. The study, funded by the Alameda County Community Development Agency, also estimated that about 10,000 birds—nearly all protected by the migratory bird act—are being whacked every year at Altamont.
Sam, I liked your post. Can you give the resource for these, so I can do more studying.
Sam

Delano, MN

#87 Oct 19, 2009
FYI Google:

exxonmobile $600,000 fines

pacificcorp $1.4 million 232 eagles

altamount pass kill 80 golden eagles

The sources were posted in the original message but just in case your a not bright liberal I thought I'd go the extra distance, seems like your type ALWAYS needs help in life!

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Topck wrote:
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Sam, I liked your post. Can you give the resource for these, so I can do more studying.
Owl Gore

Minneapolis, MN

#89 Oct 19, 2009
CNBC, Reuters fall for climate hoax
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/284...

In a dramatic shift, the Chamber of Commerce announced Monday that it is throwing its support behind climate change legislation making its way through the U.S. Senate.

Only it didn’t.

An email press release announcing the change is a hoax, say Chamber officials.

Several media organizations fell for it.

A CNBC anchor interrupted herself mid-sentence Monday morning to announce that the network had “breaking news,” then cut away to reporter Hampton Pearson, who read from the fake press release.

Pearson quickly followed up with a second report saying the “so-called bulletin” was an “absolute hoax.” Smelling a rat, CNBC’s Larry Kudlow demanded to know whether the White House had been involved.

In a story posted Monday morning, Reuters declared:“The Chamber of Commerce said on Monday it will no longer opposes climate change legislation, but wants the bill to include a carbon tax.”

Reuters updated the story to acknowledge the hoax, but it was too late: The Washington Post and the New York Times had already posted the fake story on their Web sites.

Climate legislation supporters say AVAAZ Action Factory is responsible for the release.

The group, known for its activist media stunts, has not returned calls for comment. But a post on the group’s Web site says has plans to “make this the worst Monday ever for the anti-climate PR machine at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.“

more at politico.com ...

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These so called news agencies are so pathetic and lazy. Don’t they research or question anything?

Bottom line is AP, Reuters etc is all too ready to embrace a report, regardless of it’s veracity, that supports their ideology and completely dismiss those that do not.
The Golf Guy

Kissimmee, FL

#90 Oct 19, 2009
Not Serious wrote:
IF you cannot see the difference between roof mounted solar panels and 300 foot tall wind turbines I guess you havn't seen both.
Not to mention the millions of birds that are killed by windmills.
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" Millions of birds are killed by windmills". Facts please?

Since: Oct 09

Minneapolis, MN

#91 Oct 19, 2009
I have heard the rotating blades on the wind generators kill birds, who hasn't. So lets erect a bunch of them where we know thousands of hawks migrate every year. Clear thinking, NOT. And also, if these contraptions can actually pay for themselves in 60 years well I have news for you, they will wear out long before they have done that.
Bridge Repair Money

United States

#92 Oct 19, 2009
Yeah -- it might be odd if Duluth changed the top of it's hillside. Hopefully they don't turn it into a eyesore.

Basically the radio towers are the old skool media stations spewing Democrat crap anyway.

I notice they have to hire Jr High Kids for their news programs.

Since: Oct 09

Calgary, Canada

#93 Oct 20, 2009
Tired of it all wrote:
Again, no mention of the cities doing a feasibility study to see what the payback if any would be in the future. How much energy could the city have bought for the millions they have spent on this toy?
I suspect this will be like the solar panels installed in some metro cities....the payback IF they last that long was 50 to 100 years.
I am all for green stuff, but please make it a worth while expenditure like the private sector would have to do. Let's not spend millions to save a few dollars over the life of this fan.
No doubt... 50 to 100 years for them to pay themselves off?? That's nuts.

Steve M
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Windmilling

Delano, MN

#94 Oct 20, 2009
ONLY a Government MONOPOLY could install such wastefull equipment!

There is no doubt if the money wasted on windmills were instead used for appliance upgrades there would be FAR MORE electricity saved than these windmills will ever generate.

AND the electricity saved will occur IF the wind is blowing or not!

The ONLY reason these Windmills are being installed is to placate the GREEN IDIOTS!!

There is NO Return On Investement on these windmills!! Maintenance alone will eat up any actual profits from electricity generated.

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No doubt... 50 to 100 years for them to pay themselves off?? That's nuts.
Steve M
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Owl Gore

Minneapolis, MN

#95 Jun 2, 2010
Five Myths of "Green Energy"



1. Solar and wind power are the greenest of them all.
Wrong! They are land hogs that actually destroy the environment by displacing natural habitat.

2. Going green will reduce our dependence on imports from unsavory regimes.
"China controls between 95 and 100 percent of the global market in" rare elements needed to construct batteries.

3. A green American economy will create green American jobs.
In a global market, American wind turbine manufacturers face the same problem as American shoe manufacturers: high domestic labor costs.

Meanwhile, the very concept of a green job is not well defined. Is a job still green if it's created not by the market, but by subsidy or mandate?

Growth Energy, an industry lobby group, says increasing the percentage of ethanol blended into the U.S. gasoline supply would create 136,000 jobs. But an analysis by the Environmental Working Group found that no more than 27,000 jobs would be created, and each one could cost taxpayers as much as $446,000 per year. Sure, the government can create more green jobs. But at what cost?
Not to mention, Ethanol is Immoral. Starving people to feed cars should give all human beings pause. If that's not enough, the "Bio-fuels" industry destroys the biosphere, and there is not enough biosphere on the planet to support this government-sponsored corporate welfare travesty.

4. Electric cars will substantially reduce demand for oil.
Electric cars haven't been sidelined by a cabal to sell internal combustion engines or a lack of political will, but by physics and math. Gasoline contains about 80 times as much energy, by weight, as the best lithium-ion battery.
And in the absence of nuclear power, these cars that are plugged into the power grid are coal-powered. How environmentally friendly is that?

5. The United States lags behind other rich countries in going green.

Over the past three decades, the United States has improved its energy efficiency as much as or more than other developed countries.

According to data from the Energy Information Administration, average per capita energy consumption in the United States fell by 2.5 percent from 1980 through 2006. That reduction was greater than in any other developed country except Switzerland and Denmark, and the United States achieved it without participating in the Kyoto Protocol or creating an emissions trading system like the one employed in Europe.

EIA data also show that the United States has been among the best at reducing the amount of carbon dioxide emitted per $1 of GDP and the amount of energy consumed per $1 of GDP.
This was just a sample. Go read the whole thing here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

This green energy gimmickry has succeeded in making already rich people more wealthy. These individuals are only interested in getting richer without getting a guilty conscience.

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