Fiber optics good for North St. Paul

Fiber optics good for North St. Paul

There are 42 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 4, 2009, titled Fiber optics good for North St. Paul. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

I am a resident of North St. Paul, and I compliment our leadership on having the foresight to partner with a private company to bring fiber optics to our town.

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MikeWBL

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Feb 4, 2009
Tom Dolen What tax cuts are you talking about during the Pawlenty terms? The legislature has passed sales tax increases and local taxing authorities are increasing property taxes. The federal tax cuts have also yielded more in MN income tax revenues since there is less to deduct on MN income tax forms.

This MN taxpayer has only seen an increase in MN taxes due to the DFL majority in the MN Legislature.
human too

United States

#2 Feb 4, 2009
Perhaps Tom Dolen has inadvertently made a good point-- not about tax cuts being a bad thing (it has been objectively demonstrated that lowering tax rates has actually produced a net increase in total tax dollars received).

Tom Dolan's point is that recessions follow on the heels of economic boom times, if those booms are brought about by careless financial policies-- whether by individuals, corporations, or governments. In simpler terms, what goes up, MUST come down. Maybe the real lesson here is that you can't be careless with money. You can't just throw it around like you can always print more, because inevitably the piper must be paid.

Incidentally, one of the most chilling things about our current bailout mania is that much of this bailout money may be paid for with just such shenanigans-- simply manufacturing another trillion dollars or so out of thin air. It's like saying, "We're almost out of money?? Guess we'd better order another box of checks, then..." When an individual says that, we can smile to ourselves and wish them well. When our government does that, we may have reason to worry.

Maybe what's most urgently needed is a new way of thinking about our economy-- a return to life-truths like industriousness and thrift, and an end to the entitlemant mentality.

Since: Nov 08

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#3 Feb 4, 2009
Fiber optics good for North St. Paul
Pioneer Press

Updated: 02/03/2009 06:42:34 PM CST

I am a resident of North St. Paul, and I compliment our leadership on having the foresight to partner with a private company to bring fiber optics to our town.

This technology will deliver enough bandwidth and reliability at a low-enough cost to meet the consumer demands of the next decade. It is affordable now, which is why hundreds of companies using hundreds of different business cases worldwide are racing to install it in thousands of locations.

Imagine children being connected to their classroom even if they are sick at home, or being able to take advantage of online courses with better audio and video. Imagine being able to live in your house longer because you could communicate medical information with your doctor from the comfort of your home. Imagine the economic development in cities with the foresight to develop, not just for now, but for the future.

Bill Fairbanks, North St. Paul



Since: Mar 08

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#4 Feb 4, 2009
Tom Dolen, if tax cuts are a bad Republican gimmic, why are there tax cuts in Obama's stimulus plan? Anyone, anyone?
highland guy

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Feb 4, 2009
Heather Jamieson
nice letter. I too rolled my eyes at Chin's propaganda piece. I don't know if Mr. Chin is Asian or not, but what he missed in his data-mining was an obvious surge in Asian success--college rates, incomes, all up, up up. It was right there in the charts, but totally omitted in the article.

funny he forgot to mention that when it didn't fit his little thesis.

“REUNITE GONDWANALAND!”

Since: Jun 08

Woodbury

#6 Feb 4, 2009
Former Ranger wrote:
Tom Dolen, if tax cuts are a bad Republican gimmic, why are there tax cuts in Obama's stimulus plan? Anyone, anyone?
First, it depends on where the tax cuts are targeted - tax cuts for lower income earners do much more to stimulate the economy than tax cuts for the wealthy (and, in a recession, government spending does a lot more to stimulate the economy than tax cuts).
Second, the Democrats do not have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, so, tax cuts are included to get needed support from Republicans.
WJH

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Feb 4, 2009
To Janet Levy,

Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said that wealthy Americans paying higher taxes is patriotic in an Fox News interview on Thursday.
Source; http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Biden_says_payi...

Question then is why are so many Democrats Politicians now being caught short paying their taxes?

Are they UnAmerican?
Chris Rathbun

United States

#8 Feb 4, 2009
Ms. Jamieson,

I am saddended by your reply to Chin's article. I doubt you have done the research that Chin did for his article so how would you know what conditions are like for our black brothers and sisters in the state of MN. You live in Inver Grove Heights which is not known for it's cultural diversity. It sounds like you are one of those people who thinks all their tax money is going to the poor and those who are to lazy to get a job.

Minnesota is known for being a giving state who wants to help his fellow man. Is that so wrong? The more you help those in need the less those who have so little turn to a life of crime to make up for what they don't have. I don't see any mention of other ethnic groups listed in your opinion piece. This type of racism is more socially acceptable than the racism spewed by KKK members, but it is still racism just the same.

We have had a white president ever since George Washington took office and yet there are still so many caucasians who still have to rely on social services as well yet I don't hear you complaining about them.

If you don't like paying taxes to help your fellow man, then I suggest you start volunteering in your community or better yet a community who's needs are greater. Or I suggest you move to another state that is not "a giveaway state." Until you are willing to do either of these two suggestions, just get used to taxes and think of how you are doing your part to lower crime and poverty.

I don't mind paying taxes to help those who are less fortunate because I don't have time to go volunteer in my lovely, diverse state of Minnesota
OK THEN

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Feb 5, 2009
Chris Rathbun wrote:
Ms. Jamieson,
I am saddended by your reply to Chin's article. I doubt you have done the research that Chin did for his article so how would you know what conditions are like for our black brothers and sisters in the state of MN. You live in Inver Grove Heights which is not known for it's cultural diversity. It sounds like you are one of those people who thinks all their tax money is going to the poor and those who are to lazy to get a job.
Minnesota is known for being a giving state who wants to help his fellow man. Is that so wrong? The more you help those in need the less those who have so little turn to a life of crime to make up for what they don't have. I don't see any mention of other ethnic groups listed in your opinion piece. This type of racism is more socially acceptable than the racism spewed by KKK members, but it is still racism just the same.
We have had a white president ever since George Washington took office and yet there are still so many caucasians who still have to rely on social services as well yet I don't hear you complaining about them.
If you don't like paying taxes to help your fellow man, then I suggest you start volunteering in your community or better yet a community who's needs are greater. Or I suggest you move to another state that is not "a giveaway state." Until you are willing to do either of these two suggestions, just get used to taxes and think of how you are doing your part to lower crime and poverty.
I don't mind paying taxes to help those who are less fortunate because I don't have time to go volunteer in my lovely, diverse state of Minnesota
WHAM ......SO THIS PERSON PULLED THE RACE CARD IN NANO SECOND.
YOUR BLACK GET OVER IT.
Just Got Back

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Feb 5, 2009
50 houses and talked to about 20 people, Survey says..NO!

I will continue to Hand out No Vote bills....
Gndydncr

Fargo, ND

#11 Feb 5, 2009
To Janet Levy, Little Canada: The other day, I heard Gov. Pawlenty say that for every dollar Minnesotans send to the Fed, we get 70 cents back. Every sane person in the state would have to say, that's a lousy deal. I will take up your offer to not accept my 70 cents from the Feds as long as I don't have to pay the dollar. However, if I'm force to pay the dollar, you can bet your life I'll be there to get my 70 cents back.
Chris Rathbun

United States

#12 Feb 5, 2009
OK THEN wrote:
<quoted text>
WHAM ......SO THIS PERSON PULLED THE RACE CARD IN NANO SECOND.
YOUR BLACK GET OVER IT.
Ummm, not even close! I am white! Not as much as Bill Gates, but darn close. I just know racism when I see it and her type of "socialy acceptable racism" is NOT okay and the culture needs to change. It is like seeing something you don't like and calling it "gay." (gay then takes on a derrogatory meaning likening gay to be bad) This is the type of socially acceptable hate that runs rampant in our society, but it does not make it OK. I am just saying her comments were offensive and she needs to be aware of that because I bet she feels that her comments were okay since she sent them in.

p.s. I am not gay either.
Okie dokie

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Feb 5, 2009
Chris Rathbun wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummm, not even close! I am white! Not as much as Bill Gates, but darn close. I just know racism when I see it and her type of "socialy acceptable racism" is NOT okay and the culture needs to change. It is like seeing something you don't like and calling it "gay." (gay then takes on a derrogatory meaning likening gay to be bad) This is the type of socially acceptable hate that runs rampant in our society, but it does not make it OK. I am just saying her comments were offensive and she needs to be aware of that because I bet she feels that her comments were okay since she sent them in.
p.s. I am not gay either.
All righty then....
WJH

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 5, 2009
Gndydncr wrote:
To Janet Levy, Little Canada: The other day, I heard Gov. Pawlenty say that for every dollar Minnesotans send to the Fed, we get 70 cents back. Every sane person in the state would have to say, that's a lousy deal. I will take up your offer to not accept my 70 cents from the Feds as long as I don't have to pay the dollar. However, if I'm force to pay the dollar, you can bet your life I'll be there to get my 70 cents back.
I always thought that was kind of odd, giving money to the federal government and then having our representatives work to get it back. I do understand why this is done this way but it seems terribly inefficient.
Heather Jamieson

South Saint Paul, MN

#15 Apr 4, 2009
I only came across this string today, and wanted to address certain comments made by Chris Rathbun:

The Minnesota Department of Health and Human Services receives the motherlode of the state's tax dollars. What you may not be aware of is the fact that these benefits are not only being used to assist Minnesota residents, but many living in Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles and other cities across the country. The fraud being run on our welfare system is rampant, but we do not have the financial resources or personnel to investigate or prosecute the offenders. So we just keep paying.

How do I know this? Because I've rented to tenants drawing Section 8, social security benefits, and other welfare benefits for years. The scam is to give the rental property's address to friends and family back in, say, Chicago. These people come up here, register for benefits using my address, draw benefits, and drive back to Chicago on a monthly basis. There is no benefit to the State of Minnesota vis-a-vis crime reduction nor any other benefit.

Furthermore, once the States of Illinois, Michigan and others tightened their welfare benefits, the recipients simply moved to Minnesota. This influx of new welfare recipients skews the numbers of "poor" African Americans living in Minnesota. My disagreement with Mr. Chin's piece is that he jumps to the wrong conclusion: Minnesota doesn't have a disproportionate number of "poor" African Americans because of any imbedded bigotry or racism on the part of Minnesota residents, but because our over-generous welfare system attracts poor African Americans to this state.

Caveat: It's never a good idea to jump to conclusions about total strangers. I may live in Inver Grove today, but I grew up and spent most of my life on St. Paul's lower East Side, where I also rent property. And two out of three of my grandchildren are black.

Heather Jamieson
Jean

Delano, MN

#16 Feb 22, 2010
NSP censored me with my own money!!!

NSP windmill ain't spinning today.

The NSP windmill was doomed the day it was sited. The low area the thing was installed at makes the windmill much less productive than if it had been installed on an appropriate site.

It's like NSP wanted the thing to fail and fail it has.

Once the weather warms an the windmill has a chance to turn the poor site will cripple it forever.

Add in the fact when it does spin the death of rators to the spinning blades is certian.

California removed the Danwin turbines BECAUSE they kill birds by the thousands. California replaced the Danwins now installed in North Saint Paul and other Minnesota communities with Mitsubishi turbines which are much taller and the raptors fly under the Mitsubishi turbines.

North Saint Paul and the other 11 communities making up the MMPA has just wasted $12,000,000!

North Saint Paul taxes went UP UP UP 12%.

North Saint Paul provided services costs were raised 4%. Trash pickup, bulk item pickup, electricity, water, sewer, community center, fees, permits, EVERYTHING!!!

This at a time when we are in a depression!!

Better Way

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Feb 23, 2010
The NSP turbine isn't spinning today!

It would have been better to pay out appliance rebates to help NSP residents reduce their utility bills.

Oh NO that would NEVER occur because NSP makes more money when residents buy more electricity.

Even rebates offerred by NSP run out of funds so they aren't paid to residents. I suppose the money is used to pay for the city managers LARGE SUV and its Gas bill.

NSP gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar but nobody calls them on it.

Fred

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Feb 24, 2010
Would be prudent for North Saint Paul to be honest with residents.

Let's see how the turbine is performing, what does it produce?

Would it be better to offer appliance rebates as some suggest?
No bid contract NSP

Delano, MN

#20 Feb 26, 2010
It would be interesting to know what bidding process is used in future projects in North Saint Paul, if any process is used.

Ralph

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Feb 26, 2010
North Saint Paul will always cost more to live in because it uses LGA to subsidize government and keep their spending levels real high.

Get rid of LGA and the cost of living there will stick out like a sore thumb and people will leave town. Last people living there will pay HUGE TAXES.

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