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Investigators detail scene of North St. Paul officer's death

There are 24 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Sep 9, 2009, titled Investigators detail scene of North St. Paul officer's death. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The suspect in the shooting death of a North St. Paul police officer ambushed him leading to a chaotic scene outlined today by investigators.

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O Pressed

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Sep 9, 2009
I am very sorry for the loss of Officer Crittenden

I'm glad Dockery died a painful death with five gunshot wounds and can only hope he is burning in hell as I type.
ladyannmn

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Sep 9, 2009
rip officer crittenden :(
picky-I-guess

San Francisco, CA

#3 Sep 9, 2009
this is pretty poor quality writing, no proof reading? High schoolers could do better:

she was worried her Dockery - who she had a restraining order against - was at her place,

charged at them with a flaming cloth that has been soaked with an accelerant

shot him one in the head
Bunk

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Sep 9, 2009
And how did she just happen to think he was inside her apartment? Why that morning and not any number of mornings prior to this? And, was he able to see the street/parking lot from the apartment in order to see them coming? Otherwise, he would not have time to make his torch. Either she is not telling the whole story, or some important details are being withheld by the po-po.
Bunk

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Sep 9, 2009
picky-I-guess wrote:
this is pretty poor quality writing, no proof reading? High schoolers could do better:
she was worried her Dockery - who she had a restraining order against - was at her place,
charged at them with a flaming cloth that has been soaked with an accelerant
shot him one in the head
This story is just one more example of the dumbing down of America. Even the people who are in the business of reporting news can't seem to get it right.
bah humbug

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Sep 9, 2009
Good shooting, Officer Olson. One less felon to escape via the criminal justice system.
Shelly

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Sep 9, 2009
Bunk wrote:
And how did she just happen to think he was inside her apartment? Why that morning and not any number of mornings prior to this? And, was he able to see the street/parking lot from the apartment in order to see them coming? Otherwise, he would not have time to make his torch. Either she is not telling the whole story, or some important details are being withheld by the po-po.
Another officer arrived and helped disarm Dockery? After Dockery had been shot five times?
KLN

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Sep 9, 2009
When the wife was interviewed the reporter asked "how did he get into the apartment" her response was I have no idea how he got in. The neighbor also reported that she could hear laughing on occassion from the "couple". If she violated the restraining order herself by allowing him to come to her residence then she needs to be held accountable too.

I am a survivor of domestic violence and know the order for protection goes both ways. To keep them from you, but also you from them.

That is often times why it doesn't work. The person wants someone to just make them stop the violence without realizing that they can't be near the person either.
Truths

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Sep 9, 2009
KLN wrote:
When the wife was interviewed the reporter asked "how did he get into the apartment" her response was I have no idea how he got in. The neighbor also reported that she could hear laughing on occassion from the "couple". If she violated the restraining order herself by allowing him to come to her residence then she needs to be held accountable too.
I am a survivor of domestic violence and know the order for protection goes both ways. To keep them from you, but also you from them.
That is often times why it doesn't work. The person wants someone to just make them stop the violence without realizing that they can't be near the person either.


I agree the order of protection needs to be both ways, women are at a disavantage tho, some men stop at nothing in their attempt tpo control. I heave even heard a cop tell a person to ge tthe order even if she does have the guy around so that it is there incase she needs it, I was shocked when I heard it, and I have heard it more than once.Noone should have to live in terror and it can be difficult to get away from your abuser, but it seems that things were good for them for a minute and he got abusive again last week, he was using/hanging out with a few people in the building (that did not have a clue)theywere on a tv report, so I think the wife new he was there and stayed away from the building then called police fo an escort in to the appartment. Ladies just have got to learn that at the first sign he is abusive get away from him and stay away from him.
Sam

Plymouth, MN

#10 Sep 9, 2009
Anytime an OFP is issued the person to be protected should be enrolled in conceal carry training and issued a handgun. They should also be providedd a large mean dog and a security system installed in their residence.

The handgun would be equiped with a system that only allows the protected person to fire it, these systems are available.

It's time for the people to protect themselves instead of having police do their dirty work!
The Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Sep 9, 2009
Sam wrote:
Anytime an OFP is issued the person to be protected should be enrolled in conceal carry training and issued a handgun. They should also be providedd a large mean dog and a security system installed in their residence.
The handgun would be equiped with a system that only allows the protected person to fire it, these systems are available.
It's time for the people to protect themselves instead of having police do their dirty work!
Or, maybe she should not let the guy in 80% of the time, and then when she gets into an argument, calls the police. Morally, she is culpable in both deaths.
Reality

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Sep 9, 2009
Sam wrote:
Anytime an OFP is issued the person to be protected should be enrolled in conceal carry training and issued a handgun. They should also be providedd a large mean dog and a security system installed in their residence.
The handgun would be equiped with a system that only allows the protected person to fire it, these systems are available.
It's time for the people to protect themselves instead of having police do their dirty work!
...and when George Jetson arrives home from work, everything is just fine. C'mon, Sam, get rea.
Reality

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Sep 9, 2009
Sam wrote:
Anytime an OFP is issued the person to be protected should be enrolled in conceal carry training and issued a handgun. They should also be providedd a large mean dog and a security system installed in their residence.
The handgun would be equiped with a system that only allows the protected person to fire it, these systems are available.
It's time for the people to protect themselves instead of having police do their dirty work!
And, by the way--- the petitioner (person asking for the OFP) can be charged criminally if they're found hanging around the respondent (the person served with the OFP). It's not a trump card to play.
Bunk

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Sep 9, 2009
KLN wrote:
When the wife was interviewed the reporter asked "how did he get into the apartment" her response was I have no idea how he got in. The neighbor also reported that she could hear laughing on occassion from the "couple". If she violated the restraining order herself by allowing him to come to her residence then she needs to be held accountable too.
I have said it before and I will say it again. There was a witness report saying he was in an upstairs apartment the night before and left in the early AM. He never went back to that apartment. Then the ex SAYS that she came home that morning and just happened to think he might be in there. Yeah right. I would bet he was in there the entire morning with her and she got pissed because he would then not leave so she called the cops. If she makes it look like he got in without her knowledge then she looks all innocent. But, if she let him in and only called the cops to have him later thrown out, then I hope there is some crime she can be charged with. Again, someone is not telling the whole story here...
Sam

Plymouth, MN

#15 Sep 9, 2009
Your right it is not a simple situation but maybe a form of placing the responsibility of self defense on the person needing it and not so much on local law enforcement would result in less violent outcomes.

I understand police officers will not back down and do their best to protect and serve the residents but risking their lives in these OFP orders is just a nebulus situation with wife often siding with the husband/boyfriend and against the police when push comes to shove.

Of course if you feel personal responsibility ends at birth then you wouldn't agree.

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Reality wrote:
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And, by the way--- the petitioner (person asking for the OFP) can be charged criminally if they're found hanging around the respondent (the person served with the OFP). It's not a trump card to play.
reality

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Sep 9, 2009
Sam wrote:
Your right it is not a simple situation but maybe a form of placing the responsibility of self defense on the person needing it and not so much on local law enforcement would result in less violent outcomes.
I understand police officers will not back down and do their best to protect and serve the residents but risking their lives in these OFP orders is just a nebulus situation with wife often siding with the husband/boyfriend and against the police when push comes to shove.
Of course if you feel personal responsibility ends at birth then you wouldn't agree.
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The state tried to place personal responsibility on the petitioner as you mentioned-- the problem is judges enforcing the issue. I feel no personal responsibility on either end; to be honeset, if a petitioner wants to be beat up and/or killed, let 'em have it. Don't drag a good cop into it.
reality

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Sep 9, 2009
Oh, another thing- heroes---- it goes without saying. If you know Officer Julie Olsen or any member of Officer Crittenden's family- give them a big hug. They deserve it. Even though the outcome wasn't ideal, these two gave their lives for good- a symbolic good. They stood up for what is right, and for that, I salute you both.

Give a nice waive and a smile to the next cop you see. Even if they don't react, I promise you that deep down inside they appreciate it. Every cop in Minnesota is crying inside right now.
bah humbug

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Sep 11, 2009
reality wrote:
Oh, another thing- heroes---- it goes without saying. If you know Officer Julie Olsen or any member of Officer Crittenden's family- give them a big hug. They deserve it. Even though the outcome wasn't ideal, these two gave their lives for good- a symbolic good. They stood up for what is right, and for that, I salute you both.
Give a nice waive and a smile to the next cop you see. Even if they don't react, I promise you that deep down inside they appreciate it. Every cop in Minnesota is crying inside right now.
Er, quote> these two gave their lives for good<quote

Which two might that be? Only one good guy as far as I can tell.
Netta

Benton Harbor, MI

#19 Sep 13, 2009
this is all a lie she keep changin the story up. thats my cuzin and sum body is lien and thas a shame for them to keep coverin stuff up because if you are true to the law and follow the rules u wouldnt cover it up just because they dont want to look bad and if she wants to tell wat really happen she should be able to because we all have the freedom of speech its a right we have to follow every other rule why cant we follow this one. im tired of all this mess they should just let their souls rest
Netta

Benton Harbor, MI

#20 Sep 13, 2009
why would you say such a thing about another person you dont know nothing about him and you dont know what really happen this is just a cover up and thats my family that you are talking about also if you beleive in god you shouldnt say something like that about some one who is dead because you might reap the same way you want him to so you really should watch what you say about other people and make sure you get the real facts before you jugde someone ok so make sure you get the right info

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