#42 Feb 5, 2012
THIS GUY IS NO MAN OF GOD! HE CLAIMS TO BE A PROPHET AND A FOLLOWER OF JESUS BUT IS COMPLETLY IGNORANT OF JESUS'S TEACHINGS. THIS MAN IS OF THE DEVIL. HIS EYES ARE EVIL AND HIS WIFE PATTI IS A BRAINWASHED WOMAN WHOM WORSHIPS THE GROUND THIS MAN WALKS ON. STEER CLEAR OF THIS FALSE PROPHET AND HIS IGNORANT TEACHINGS. HE CLAIMS ALL PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS AND THAT JUSTICE DOES NOT EXIST. I PRAY THAT ONE DAY THIS MAN WILL REPENT FOR HIS SINFUL WAYS.
#43 Mar 11, 2012
I, too, have spent time with Wade and Patti Demers, if indeed it is the same one, a lovely well-dressed couple in their 60’s, and the husband is a preacher. Though from New England, I have spent time in other parts of the country.
I myself have read the Bible through many times, and would like to think that I adhere closely to its principles. On numerous occasions, I found Wade and Patti to both be articulate, polite, both extremely knowledgeable about the Bible, and also of a mind that its teachings should be adhered to. It is evident in the way they treat each other that they have a very loving and mutually respectful relationship. Their viewpoints from the Bible seem to be objective and devoid of any denominational bias.
I felt compelled to make this post after encountering some negative postings about them, if indeed it is the same couple. I think perhaps it would be enlightening for those who have not met this couple to read from their own Bibles the scriptures I will reference herein: Matthew 5:10-12, 1 Peter 4:14, Matthew 10:20-22, Matthew 24:9, John 15:18-21, and 2 Timothy 3:12.
The scriptures clearly indicate that those who would attempt to abide in the Word will encounter slander, anger, and worse—and not even Jesus Himself escaped this truth…right down to being accused of being of the devil as illustrated in John 8:48, 52, and 59. It is somewhat of a tragedy that the anonymity of the internet affords so easily the opportunity for the cowardly to carry out this type of persecution.
#44 Feb 11, 2013
I have had more than my fair share of encounters with both Wade and Patti Demers in their home. Not exactly sure what they are up to, but I certainly never felt God's love from them. In fact, they both became angry (especially Wade) whenever I or anyone else questioned their teachings.
I do pray that one day God softens their hearts and shows them the right path. But until that time, I would tell anyone who meets them to quietly walk away and not give them a minute of their time.
#45 Feb 12, 2013
I am going to present some points to consider, which will be in a number of different posts. This is my first post, and others will follow.
When two people disagree, each will, of course, say that the other person is ignorant or not right. And if the discussion or point of difference is regarding the teachings of Christ, either side might be found accusing the other of being ignorant of Jesus’ teachings. Those who are ignorant of the teachings of Christ, would, of course, say the other person was wrong in what they were teaching.
Let me illustrate with the example of an Apostolic with a Baptist. The Apostolic will say the Baptist is ignorant and wrong in his teachings about baptism and will say that the baptism of a man in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (as the Baptists do)“didn’t take.” And further, the Apostolic would say that the baptism must be in the name of Jesus only, in order for the baptism to “take.” Conversely, the Baptist would say that the Apostolic’s teaching is wrong and that their (the Baptist’s) baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit did take and is valid. Both denominations think the other is wrong in their internationally recognized teaching.
I am including a link to a newspaper article that addresses what people should do when they disagree. The title of the article is:“Isn’t it time for us to unite?” Ironically, it was written by Pastor Demers, and it addresses this very issue of differences of opinion and shows God’s solution to this problem as delineated in His Word in Acts Chapter 15. Here is the link: http://files.armofjustice.webnode.com/2000002...
#46 Feb 12, 2013
There are a number of places in the Bible where we can see that the people who are led by the Holy Spirit, including Jesus Himself, acted in anger (without sin) when they encountered certain behaviors in other people. Please see the following references: Matthew 23:13-36; Matthew 21:12-13; Mark 3:1-6; Acts 13:8-12; Acts 16:16-18.
Many immature Christians don’t understand this scripture – Ephesians 4:26:“Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger.” God obviously allows anger of a certain type but not a sinful one; note again that God says:“BE ANGRY; and yet do not sin…” If you indeed have read the scriptures in your Bible that I have referenced in my post here, you will clearly see anger displayed by people led by God, even Jesus Christ Himself! If you will note, in the scriptures you can see clearly that the person doing the wrong is the one who caused the anger that brought on the rebuke from God’s servant.
#47 Feb 12, 2013
It would be interesting to find out if what Whoa is saying is a total fabrication, as opposed to a real encounter, and to hear the whole point view. It would be good to hear what happened from both sides, as opposed to this one-sided attack on a couple on an internet forum.
Has anyone been to a divorce court or heard multiple witnesses at an accident? Has anyone had someone in their presence, especially in their home, who is being rude, mean, and insulting to their spouse? And how do you think the Pharisees characterized Jesus’ and Paul’s actions in the encounters cited in the scriptures in my previous post?
I know of many circumstances where people who were offered fresh fruit considered it sour grapes.
It is quite possible, in any encounter where people disagree, that the normal prudent reaction of the person in the right is interpreted in a bad light by the person speaking from the darkness of their rudeness, obnoxiousness, arrogance, and error.
#48 Feb 12, 2013
I am sure that, over the years, Pastor Demers and his wife have become aware of this type of negative information put in the public space about them, and I would hope that they take great comfort in what Jesus says in Matthew 5:10-12:
10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
I would hope that they are abiding in that Word and are rejoicing at the evil, false, twisted, and misunderstood things that have been said about them.
I hope you don’t mind me citing God’s word—His opinion— as you may or may not know, God said,“…all those who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.”(2 Timothy 3:12)
Have any of you considered that the detractors of this couple are the described detractors of God’s people?
Have you considered that this couple’s detractors and their sympathizers are in the position of Pharisee, hypocrite, bigot, and the deceived? Remember, the Pharisees were the so-called holy church people of their day. Remember, the big problem in our society is that people feel that if someone disagrees with them, that person is automatically wrong.
Pastor Demers and his wife may just be “jerks,” but then again, maybe they are people of God who have the detractors that God refers to. Had any of you considered that “narrow is the way that leads to life” and that only a few will find it (Matthew 7:14), and that maybe Pastor Demers and his wife are part of that few?
Have you considered that 2 Timothy 3:12 indicates that ALL those who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, and that in Matthew 5:10-12 Jesus Christ describes that persecution, such as insults and speaking falsely all kinds of evil (slander) against someone? Have you also considered that in Mark 13:13 it says that “you will be hated by all because of My name”?
The fact that Pastor Demers and his wife are going through the persecution that the godly must experience (such as being slandered, insulted, and hated because of Jesus) means that they are either jerks or they are the good (godly) people God is talking about.
Had you considered that Pastor Demers and his wife are just proof of the scriptures I’ve made reference to in my posts?
And you may wonder where our perspective comes from…you see, the “I” making these posts is not one person…actually, we are three individuals who are not in any way related, but who do, at this point in life, know one another. Two of us are female, one is male, and among us is a person of color. And each of us at different stages of our lives has spent time in Pastor Wade and Patti Demers’s home. And some of us are eyewitnesses to the falsehoods, fabrications, and twisted perspectives that have pervaded the internet concerning this couple for over 30 years of their ministry. It’s sad—the negative power of the internet that gives power and credibility to those who sorely so need help, and who, in their problems, attack the very people who were sent to help them. Perhaps Hosea 13:9 is germane here.
#49 Feb 12, 2013
A final thought:
I (we) wonder if any of these people who slandered this couple would be willing to follow the admonitions given in God’s Word in Acts Chapter 15, as delineated in Pastor Demers’ article on Unity to which I (we) referred in my (our) first post.
I (we) further wonder if these detractors have ever considered this: Though they may have not intentionally slandered this couple, through their own (the detractors’) errors, faulty perception, misunderstanding, arrogance, and other shortcomings, the detractors may be depicting their own erroneous, subjective perspective…and that is quite different than what the living God sees/saw as He looks down on us all.
All the prophets of God (and even His own Son) were considered by many to be charlatans, liars, and bad. They even accused Jesus of having a demon. Let us all be admonished by Psalm 105:15:“Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm.”
I,(we) on my (our) part, would enjoy being contacted by “Whoa” or “WOW” or any one of the other detractors. And if that were to happen, with today’s technology, I (we) could talk to the Demerses and their detractors at the same time. I (we) would like to make it clear that I(we) would also welcome speaking with anyone else also who has been negatively influenced by the posts of Whoa, WOW, or any of the other internet detractors, or by slander or gossip of any kind regarding the Demerses and their ministry.
Please post here if you are interested, and then we will discuss making contact.
#50 Feb 20, 2013
Yes, I totally agree. He, Wade Demers, has taken a vow of poverty, but certainly does not live like anyone that I know of in poverty. Matter of fact, he'll become quite angry when the issue is pressed.
#51 Mar 12, 2013
Jesus spoke with love and about love. When Jesus was asked questions about his teachings he simply answered the questions...with love, not anger. But then again, Jesus had nothing to hide.
#52 Mar 14, 2013
Grace, you are absolutely correct. But also read in your Bible and take note of the fact that, during the times when Jesus Christ was encountering those who thought they were right but were wrong, such as the Pharisees (the second holiest denomination of Biblical era Jews), Jesus had to—and did—act with rebuke, anger, and even physical violence. And, just like Jesus, men of God such as Paul did the same thing.
Please read these encounters in your Bible:
Matthew 23:13-36 – Jesus rebuked the scribes and Pharisees.
Matthew 21:12-13 – Jesus overturned the tables in the temple.
Mark 3:1-6 – Jesus was angry with the Pharisees and then healed the man with the withered hand.
Matthew 16:23 – Jesus rebuked Peter and called him a devil.
Acts 13:8-12 – Paul cursed a man to become blind.
Acts 16:16-18 – Paul was greatly annoyed by a slave girl and commanded the demon to come out of her.
In Ezekiel 33:8, God’s word says that we need to warn the wicked from his way. That is what Jesus did when he, for example, rebuked the scribes and Pharisees and Peter.
In Luke 17:3, Jesus told us to rebuke:“…If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.”
In 2 Timothy 4:2, it says,“…preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.” The churches today have lost sight of this—what the Bible says.
If you read the passage in John 8:31-59, you can see that people who think they are right when they are wrong get crazy against God’s people, whether it is Jesus or any servant of God. 2 Timothy 3:12 says:“…all those who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” Obviously, this happens; look at what was done to Jesus, and look at what happened to Stephen in Acts 7:54-60.
From God’s Word it is obvious that any servant of God who is acting according to God’s will and Holy Spirit will encounter detractors, accusers, slanderers, and even murderers. Remember, all the persecutors think that they are right and that the people they are persecuting (God’s people) are wrong. And so, of course, you are not the first.
In Hebrews 13:8, it says,“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever.” Then in Galatians 2:20, it says,“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me….” If we are crucified with Christ, we are no longer living, and the unchanging Christ, in us, acts.
John 3:36 says:“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” Perhaps this scripture will shed light on you, since it seems you do not understand; and remember, this scripture came from the mouth of the Son of God.
#53 Jun 10, 2013
What is obvious to the casual observer is that despite so much of this man being alleged to be of or about God, the central focus always returns to Demers himself.
Within reasonable degrees of psychiatric probabilities, this usually evidences pathological egomaniacal behavior, perhaps obsessive, than anything akin to true pastoral or spiritual leadership.
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