Bar owners Fight SD smoking ban in No...

Bar owners Fight SD smoking ban in North Sioux City

There are 16 comments on the KSFY story from Oct 22, 2010, titled Bar owners Fight SD smoking ban in North Sioux City. In it, KSFY reports that:

On November 2, voters will decide whether or not South Dakota will ban smoking in bars, casinos, and video lottery establishments.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at KSFY.

Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#1 Oct 23, 2010
I'll be darned. North Sioux City really IS in SD. South Sioux City is in Nebraska. Sioux City is, of course, in Iowa. Bizarre.

There is nothing particularly newsworthy in the fact that the "hospitality industry" is in lockstep with the tobacco industry.
markw

Delano, MN

#2 Oct 23, 2010
State of Minnesota Auditor's Report found that bar revenues fell by 31.9% just one year after the smoking ban:

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2010/10/m...

417+ Minnesota bars and restaurants have closed since smoking ban was enacted:

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2007/01/1...
Amused

Nashville, TN

#3 Oct 23, 2010
markw wrote:
State of Minnesota Auditor's Report found that bar revenues fell by 31.9% just one year after the smoking ban:
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2010/10/m...
417+ Minnesota bars and restaurants have closed since smoking ban was enacted:
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2007/01/1...
Ah, yes, another entry from someone able to spot a blog.
UR Flawed Claude

Nashville, TN

#4 Oct 23, 2010
markw wrote:
State of Minnesota Auditor's Report found that bar revenues fell by 31.9% just one year after the smoking ban:
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2010/10/m...
If you step past the blogger's agenda-driven drivel and look at the source used to justify the spiel, you'll find it is an analysis of municipally owned liquor stores.
huh

Grundy, VA

#5 Oct 23, 2010
UR Flawed Claude wrote:
<quoted text>
If you step past the blogger's agenda-driven drivel and look at the source used to justify the spiel, you'll find it is an analysis of municipally owned liquor stores.
Of course living in TN you have no clue as to how the on-sale and off-sale liquor stores work..
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#6 Oct 23, 2010
huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course living in TN you have no clue as to how the on-sale and off-sale liquor stores work..
Of course you are here to enlighten me? Are you implying that all bars in Minnesota are municipally owned?
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#7 Oct 23, 2010
Same poster, btw, but with a different attitude, as UR Flawed Claude. User name becomes part of the comment that way.
huh

Grundy, VA

#8 Oct 23, 2010
Hugh Jass wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you are here to enlighten me? Are you implying that all bars in Minnesota are municipally owned?
On-sale means just that, a bar thats serves on site, off-sale sells off site consumption liquor.
The 31.9% is the on site decline and as it says is spread thruout the state. Bans hurt alot more in smaller towns than cities.
This audit is the same as any poll would be in determining the effects statewide. These are real numbers tho, not a study that can be interpreted whichever way a group with an agenda tries to make them look. That will happen now that the numbers are in.
Hugh Jass

Antioch, TN

#9 Oct 23, 2010
huh wrote:
<quoted text>
On-sale means just that, a bar thats serves on site, off-sale sells off site consumption liquor.
The 31.9% is the on site decline and as it says is spread thruout the state. Bans hurt alot more in smaller towns than cities.
This audit is the same as any poll would be in determining the effects statewide. These are real numbers tho, not a study that can be interpreted whichever way a group with an agenda tries to make them look. That will happen now that the numbers are in.
Actually, it would be interesting/useful to contrast this with the progress of other luxury-related sales throughout the stat during that same period. If it is not that much of a standout for bars, then this is irrelevant.
huh

Grundy, VA

#10 Oct 23, 2010
Hugh Jass wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it would be interesting/useful to contrast this with the progress of other luxury-related sales throughout the stat during that same period. If it is not that much of a standout for bars, then this is irrelevant.
Its known during any economic downturn in our history alcohol consumption actually goes up. And of course if it doesn't fit your agenda its irrelevant, thats what makes denial so easy to justify.
mark

Delano, MN

#11 Oct 27, 2010
Here's what South Dakotans are opening themselves up to if they support Referred Law 12.

Trans fat bans and fines next:
http://www.wbaltv.com/r/25508790/detail.html

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#12 Oct 27, 2010
Hugh Jass wrote:
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Of course you are here to enlighten me? Are you implying that all bars in Minnesota are municipally owned?
No, but the findings were universal.
http://wcco.com/topstories/smoking.ban.Bloomi...
Here is the study that the state of Minnesota did on the effect on charitable gambling.
http://www.gcb.state.mn.us/PDF_Files/Smoking%...

But Hey, don't let a little thing like facts get in the way.
Smoke Free Bars

Duluth, GA

#13 Oct 27, 2010
Bars owners will love the new smoking restrictions. Please read the article.

Check this article out after seven years of a smoking ban:

http://wilton.patch.com/articles/smoking-ban-...
Smoke Free Bars

Duluth, GA

#14 Oct 27, 2010
Maryland is going on three year of stict smoking restrictions and business is booming. No smoking in ALL public and private bars including Vet clubs and Casinos. A level playing field for ALL business owners and it works very well, even in cold weather.

Smokers have adjusted quite well and have accepted they just have to step outside smoke and step back in. It ain't rocket science!!

People love it, Bar owners love it and Maryland would never go back to allowing smokers to smoke wherever they please.
Smoke Free Bars

Duluth, GA

#15 Oct 27, 2010
Maryland is going on three years of strict smoking restrictions.
LOL

Bowling Green, OH

#16 Oct 27, 2010
Smoke Free Bars wrote:
Maryland is going on three year of stict smoking restrictions and business is booming. No smoking in ALL public and private bars including Vet clubs and Casinos. A level playing field for ALL business owners and it works very well, even in cold weather.
Smokers have adjusted quite well and have accepted they just have to step outside smoke and step back in. It ain't rocket science!!
People love it, Bar owners love it and Maryland would never go back to allowing smokers to smoke wherever they please.
Ohio is approaching 4 years. We love it. It keeps the trashy people out and the air clean. Double win for both the owners AND customers.

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