Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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Father overtime

Longmont, CO

#20450 Feb 20, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Your ignorance in the teaching of the Trinity does help you. There is nothing my God can't do, why is your God limited?
So your god can lie to you aye Dana?
lamer

Hopkins, MN

#20451 Feb 20, 2013
So what i got out of this thread seems to be that the Mormons consider themselves to be christians yet, everyone disagrees with them.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20452 Feb 20, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I've told you time and time again, I don't play "shoulda, coulda, woulda." Smith is no Jesus Christ or even a Peter.
Your a coward lol.
Jews posing as Anti Christians attacked Christians 2000 years ago.
Christians posing as anti-Mormons attack Mormons 2000 years later.
You're a self proclaimed anti-Mormon. You give talks and speeches on anti-Mormonism. Yet you won't impart your professional anti-religious knowledge to help me understand how other professional anti-religious types would have attacked a religious sect they thought false and evil 2000 years ago?
lol...you're a fricking coward and a fraud at being a anti-religious fanatic lol.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20453 Feb 20, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I'll take a stab at this. Abraham had met him before, read Chapter 12, and 17. That is how he know who it was. As for the rest of your question, is anything impossible for God? Jesus has always been God.
You know what, sometime the idiot comes out in you like a pimple on a nose lol. Why don't you go back and read Egypt's statement that I responded to? See, if you read what Egypt said to the other poster and read what the other poster wrote to prompt Egypt to write what he did, than and only than will you have comprehension of my post to Egypt.
Please fricking read! Sheesh....

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20454 Feb 20, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
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This is one case in which I will answer your question with a question that to which I am not to found of doing.
HOW COULD Abraham recongnize somebody he had never seen before right of the Bat??
When you answer that question you will have the answer to your question.
REMEMBER he had never seen Jesus before.
REMEMBER even by LDS teachings Jesus did not dwell in the flesh or have flesh till the Incarnation when his flesh was born to Mary.
YOU have not thought this through take some time.
You dodged the question and not well. But I understand why you dodged it :)
You stated the following...
"These are excellent points you bring up here.
You are welcome to your LDS view on them.
But here is the kicker.
For over 2000 years all Christians have believed that Jesus did as he saw the father do with his spiritual eyes. Even the LDS teach Jesus did not have bodily form in heaven he got his body when he came to earth.
Thus even by LDS teaching Jesus never had seen God the father with eyes of flesh before his incarnation and even then not until he ascended.
So even by your own teachings the ONLY way Jesus could do what the Father was doing was by spiritual means. Thus your conclusion that God the Father was flesh is illogical and erroneous."

Your first error is the LDS have always taught that even as spirits, we all had the same shape and form as our physical bodies encompass. That our spirits had a trunk, head, arms and legs and genitalia but that the spirit was of a purer material then what the body is made of.
So the premise of your whole argument is incorrect and wrong because you stated it on information that was incorrect and wrong.
The LDS believe God the Father and God the mother came here from another time and space in bodies of flesh and bone, to create all that exists because it was their time to be Gods of their own time and space and worlds they would create.
And that is how the LDS believe that Jesus saw what the Father did and knew what to do besides the fact that he learned all he knew how to do from the Father by word and deed.
So by the LDS teachings, to them it is not illogical and erroneous to believe they are and can be as their creator in word and deed and substance and shape and form.
You have to base your argument/debate on how the LDS actually believe and teach to have a good argumant/debate, just saying :)

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20455 Feb 20, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Why would it say "not necessarily represent the position of the... Deseret Book Company" If it wasn't published by Deseret?
... because it was not authorized for publication. That's the point I have been trying to tell you also.

you guys search documents that are not "authorized" by the Church... that means they are opinion material at that point... not Church material.
Needless

Morristown, TN

#20456 Feb 20, 2013
These comments are like people arguing over unicorn horns.

The unicorn is made up, but they still argue about the horns.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20457 Feb 20, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
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So your god can lie to you aye Dana?
What lie? Where? The only god that I have found lying is the one the Mormons follow.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20458 Feb 20, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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... because it was not authorized for publication. That's the point I have been trying to tell you also.
you guys search documents that are not "authorized" by the Church... that means they are opinion material at that point... not Church material.
That's is just silly, Dell books don't have to put disclaimers for Random House. Deseret was mentioned because Deseret was the publisher.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20459 Feb 20, 2013
Needless wrote:
These comments are like people arguing over unicorn horns.
The unicorn is made up, but they still argue about the horns.
No one is forcing you to be here.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20460 Feb 20, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Your a coward lol.
Jews posing as Anti Christians attacked Christians 2000 years ago.
Christians posing as anti-Mormons attack Mormons 2000 years later.
You're a self proclaimed anti-Mormon. You give talks and speeches on anti-Mormonism. Yet you won't impart your professional anti-religious knowledge to help me understand how other professional anti-religious types would have attacked a religious sect they thought false and evil 2000 years ago?
lol...you're a fricking coward and a fraud at being a anti-religious fanatic lol.
Go whine somewhere else, I don't care.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20461 Feb 20, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what, sometime the idiot comes out in you like a pimple on a nose lol. Why don't you go back and read Egypt's statement that I responded to? See, if you read what Egypt said to the other poster and read what the other poster wrote to prompt Egypt to write what he did, than and only than will you have comprehension of my post to Egypt.
Please fricking read! Sheesh....
If your god has limits, that is your problem. The God that can create heaven and the earth can certainly sit down and have lunch with Abraham. How "fricking" pathetic are you? LOL!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20462 Feb 20, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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... because it was not authorized for publication. That's the point I have been trying to tell you also.
you guys search documents that are not "authorized" by the Church... that means they are opinion material at that point... not Church material.
So, you think that church leaders put out books concerning church doctrine that are lies concerning the teachings of the LDS church? You think the leaders of the LDS church don't know the teachings of the church? The people the members have pick to represent them don't know what they are representing?
Escape clauses to be able to create deniability because every time the LDS church becomes embarrassed they change what they believe, doesn't mean they don't represent LDS teachings.
The Mormon church reminds me of the classic book "1984":

One day it's:
"Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia."
The next day it's:
"Oceania was at war with Eastasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

That is what Mormonism does, whether it's on the subject of African Americans, or even Cola's. Right now you see the LDS church struggling with the issue of homosexuality. It received a public relations nightmare over Prop 8 in California, and back pedaling fast because it has cost them members.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20463 Feb 20, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
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First you said because Jesus saw God the Father in the Flesh you concluded that God the Father had Flesh.
I prove he did see God in the Flesh even with LDS teachings and now again you post this merry Go round post that ignores you fundamental error in logic.
Ro 1:19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
Ro 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Ro 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Ro 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
You have become a Fool
Ohh, I'm sorry about that. This all makes sense now. I see why you were responding the way you did. My point and case were not that Jesus saw God hence God has flesh. My point was that Jesus Christ said that he has done nothing except he has seen the father do it. In other words, if Christ came to have a body, God must have done that at some time too.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20464 Feb 20, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
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The forum must ask themselves this question do you know what literary style is.
If we are to take your way of thinking as being correct we would have to concluded God is a Bird as in Pslams he surronds his people with his wings as a Hen does her chicks.
It is a metaphor.
So the LDS can take what ever indivdual verse they want and build a false doctrine frome it by ignoring the direct teachings of scripture Where God declares he is Spirit.
That is here nor there however to this thread as the premise of this Thread is whether or not Mormons are Christians.
All Sambrotherofnephi is showing us is there is no way they can be called Christian.
They believe completely opposite to what Biblical, 1st century, 300 AD 1000 AD and 2013 AD Christians believe.
You are entitled to your opinion your can believe what you want.
However you can not call it Christian as your SECT came 2000 Years after the FACT.
IF you wish to debate side issues I will meet you in another thread.
YOU can try all you want to take this thread down a rabbit trail that has nothing to do with the threads premise but I am no fool and I won't bite.
The above quoted text sounds like a dodge, but I'll roll with it. My point is, you can't say our view of God being visible is "unChristian" when we can back it up in the Bible. But perhaps that is debatable and such a discussion would be a rabbit trail leading off the topic of this forum.

A few questions I would like answered:
Note: I apologize if you have answered these questions previously on this forum. I simply don't have the time or patience to sift through the last few hundred pages I missed.

-How would YOU define a Christian and why?
-What is your religious background?
-How did you come to your belief in your faith?
-Do you think our loving Savior would tell me that I am not a Christian?
-Do you think I am going to hell? Why?
-How can I be saved?(Not applicable if you don't think I need saving)

I hope that by answering these questions we can get to the meat of this forums topic.

Thanks!
And Again

Morristown, TN

#20466 Feb 20, 2013
Gal. 1:6-9

Joseph Smith should have quoted those verses to the false angel Moroni. The word of god is indeed a 2 edged sword...if you know it well enough to use it properly.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20467 Feb 20, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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... blah, blah, blah...
Dana makes all these statements are designed to bait people...

then when he hooks someone, he picks and chooses what part of an entire post he will attack

---

He is a master manipulator.

He doesn't care who he hurts because his drive comes from his own personal quote:
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I'm not going to embrace fantasies just to please a phony religion that only wants to run every detail of my life without giving me anything in return. Sorry, that's not going to happen.
No response to the rest. It was just all BS.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#20468 Feb 20, 2013
RE-POST
piratefighting wrote:
tell us again how GOD says that it's ok for YOU to kill HOLY PROPHETS...
Post #16209 10-2-2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Just did. You're too ignorant and afraid to read it.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#20469 Feb 20, 2013
REPOST # 15884
Dana Robertson wrote:
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It is your LDS God that is "filthy, dark, depraved, angry, hateful, vulgar". He hates blacks, he hates gays, and he f**ks his daughter. I'm sure Satan is happy you worshiping him.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#20470 Feb 20, 2013
REPOST 15884
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Intentional stupidity isn't going to save your filthy perverted, pig of a Prophet or Faith.

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