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#20324 Feb 17, 2013
More Classical Jewish Law from Maimonides
"Yibbum v Chalitzah"
Halacha (rule of law) 10
The laws pertaining to a yevamah who is fit to perform yibbum30 and refuses to do so are the same as those governing a woman who rebels against her husband.31 We compel her yavam to perform chalitzah with her,32 and she forfeits [the money due her by virtue of her] marriage contract.
***When the deceased is survived by many wives,***
the one that the yavam asks to perform yibbum and refuses is considered to have "rebelled."
He should perform chalitzah with her, and she forfeits [the money due her by virtue of her] marriage contract.The other wives who were not asked [to perform yibbum] receive [the money due them by virtue of their] marriage contracts, as other widows do.
#20325 Feb 17, 2013
Sounds exactly like Islam.
#20326 Feb 17, 2013
Sodomite, Satanic accusers who curse God for His family organization are going to reap the kind of family organization Satan gives his servants, as we all see, they are reaping now:
In the United States Satan is visiting the people with little rewards for their having served him with great energy:
50ish % divorce,
50% of your women raped or molested by the time you die
50% of you husbands admit adultery on your wife
50% of your women on hard pharmaceuticals,
God alone knows how many on other under-the-table drugs, so your women can bear even being one of you.
30% of your men raped or molested by the time you die
20% of your young adults has some venereal disease.
Face it: serving Satan has taken a toll on you that you can't offset by printing more money.
#20327 Feb 17, 2013
If you know the people of this world have their own agenda that involves doing what they want to who they want, and thinking they get away with it,
you don't have to go down the same path as the one we all know, the people of the world have chosen.
Many of them are even ashamed of the fact God teaches heterosexuality.
They ordain and pay pro-Sodomite perverts
to teach them the things they want to hear,
in exchange for money and priestly robes, and
popularity with themselves.
Sending off their own children, into a river of filth
they teach is Godly virtue
so they can think of themselves as progressive.
If you don't want to be part of that,
Pray about what Joseph Smith said.
Pray about HOW GOD ACTUALLY USES WHEN HE DOES THINGS,
when He has something,
He wants to do.
Ask yourself if you want to be part of that set of numbers above.
50% women molested
30% men molested
50% women on hard pharmaceuticals
50% husbands admit divorce.
Those are the kinds of numbers a church of Satan puts up when you follow it's principles.
Those are the kinds of numbers the people you see here calling God too blind to judge them, put up, when their real God is Satan of the Sodomites and Sinners
#20328 Feb 17, 2013
The Man you quote lived in the 5th Century and rejected Jesus as Lord and Savior. He does as you do back Polygamy with Jewish Tradition not biblical precedent (exegesis for scripture) he would be known in Jesus's day as a Pharisees and we know what Jesus thought of them. Devils
It had been Tradition for the the Jews of his day to have rejected Jesus as Messiah for over 500 years.
Do you honestly believe you are going get a true Christian to believe a man who rejected Jesus as Savior and Messiah ( king of the Jews ) as automotive or an Authority on God's word.
He is of the Devil as he denies the Father's Son Jesus he denies the Father. He is a Pharisee
YOU sure do climb into bed with some strange bed fellows AND ONCE AGAIN SHOW YOU do not what you write about or who you are use as source to justify sinning.
Essentially you have quoted a man of he devil and are saying do as he says negate scripture as he negates scripture.
It would be laughable if it were not your eternal destiny on the line.
#20329 Feb 17, 2013
Do you have any evidence to show why Mormons should be considered Christian?
Or are you just here to show everybody you are an Idiot?
#20330 Feb 17, 2013
Is Mormonism Christian?
A Comparison of Mormonism and Historic Christianity
10 irrefutable reasons that say NO all from the Bible.
1. Is there more than one true God?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have always believed that only one true and living God created and rules all things and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, though personally distinct, are one God, the Lord Jehovah (Genesis 1:1-31; Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; 44:6-8, 24; Matthew 28:19-20; John 1:1; 10:30; 20:28; Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 13:14).
By contrast, Mormonism teaches that many Gods made the world (Book of Abraham 4:1-31) and that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith , 41-42). It also teaches that the Father has a wife, our heavenly mother, and that we are “literally” the offspring of divine parents (Ensign, Jan. 1989).
2. Was God the Father once a man like us?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have always believed that God is Spirit (John 4:20-24; 1 Timothy 6:15, 16) and in His divine nature is not a man (Numbers 23:19; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:22-23), and that He has always (eternally) existed as the all-powerful God (Psalm 90:2; 102:12, 25-27; Isaiah 40:28; 43:10; 1 Timothy 1:17).
By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22). It affirms Joseph Smith’s teaching that God is “an exalted being” who “was once a man like us,” and Lorenzo Snow’s statement,“As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be”(Gospel Principles , 275, 279; Presidents of the Church Student Manual , 89; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith , 71).
#20331 Feb 17, 2013
3. Are Jesus, Satan, and all mankind spirit brothers?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have always believed that Jesus is the unique Son of God, the only human being who came down from heaven to become a man (John 3:31; 13:3; 16:28; 17:5). As God, Jesus Christ made everything, including all spiritual powers such as the angels as well as Satan, who rebelled against Him (Psalm 148:2-5; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16). Human beings start to exist at the beginning of their physical lives (Genesis 1:26-27; 2:7; Job 38:4-7).
By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that Jesus Christ, humans, angels, and fallen spirits including Satan are all eternal beings that were never created and that are all spirit brothers and sisters. In particular, Christ and Lucifer (Satan) were two spirit brothers; Christ supported Heavenly Father’s plan while Lucifer did not (Doctrine and Covenants 93:21-33; Gospel Principles , 9-10; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith , 355; “I Have a Question,” Ensign, June 1986).
4. Was Jesus literally the physical offspring of Mary and God the Father?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have always believed that the eternal Son of God, Jesus Christ, became a man by being conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary by the supernatural creative agency of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:34-35).
By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that Jesus Christ is “the Only Begotten Son of the Father in the flesh,” meaning that He was the literal “offspring” of the Father and Mary,“sired” by Heavenly Father as his only son in the flesh, so that he had two literal, physical parents—his immortal Father and his mortal mother Mary. The LDS Church denies that Jesus was “begotten” by the Holy Ghost, since it understands “begotten” literally to mean sired by a physical father (Ensign, April 1997; Ezra Taft Benson, in Ensign, Dec. 2001; Gospel Principles , 53; Ensign, Dec. 2010, 8).
5. Was the fall of Adam and Eve a great blessing?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the disobedience of our first parents Adam and Eve was a great evil. Through their fall, sin entered the world, bringing all human beings under condemnation and death. Thus we are born with a sinful nature, and will be judged for the sins we commit as individuals.(Ezekiel 18:1-20; Romans 5:12-21).
By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that Adam’s sin was “a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us”(Book of Mormon—2 Nephi 2:14-26; Book of Moses 5:10-12; Preparing for Exaltation: Teacher’s Manual , 13-14; Gospel Principles , 29).
#20332 Feb 17, 2013
6. Can we make ourselves worthy of God’s forgiveness?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the forgiveness of our sins and eternal life in God’s presence is a free gift of God on the basis of Jesus Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross (John 3:16; Romans 3:21-26; 5:6-11; 6:23; Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; Titus 3:4-7; Hebrews 10:12, 19; 1 John 1:9). We cannot earn or be worthy of God’s forgiveness, but must receive this gift by acknowledging our helpless, sinful state and trusting solely in Christ (Luke 24:47; John 11:25-26; Acts 2:38; 16:31; Romans 10:9-13). Those who trust in God’s grace in Christ alone for their salvation will show their faith by their good works, but those works in no sense save them (Romans 6:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-10; James 2:14-26).
By contrast, Mormonism teaches that a person must become worthy in order to obtain forgiveness of sins and eternal life in the presence of God the Father through obedience to all the commands of the LDS Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Good works and ritual ordinances are requirements for this full, individual salvation, and Christ’s atonement makes up what is lacking in a Mormon’s best efforts (Book of Mormon—2 Nephi 25:23; Articles of Faith 3; Gospel Principles , 62-65, 109-112, 277-78).
7. Does the atonement assure immortality for those who reject Christ?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Christ’s atoning death on the cross provides the complete solution for humankind’s sin problem, but that those who reject God’s grace in this life will have no part in this salvation but are under God’s judgment for eternity (John 3:18, 36; Hebrews 9:27; 10:26-27; 1 John 5:11-12).
By contrast, Mormonism teaches that the atonement assures resurrection and immortality to all people, including those who reject Christ in this life. While only faithful Mormons and those who accept the Mormon gospel in the afterlife can live in God the Father’s presence, practically everyone else will be given immortality in a heavenly kingdom of lesser glory, even those who rejected Christ in this life (Doctrine & Covenants 76; 88:16-33; Gospel Principles, 61-62, 242-44, 271-73).
#20333 Feb 17, 2013
8. Are there scriptures more reliable than the Bible?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the Scriptures that preserve the words of the ancient prophets and apostles and of Jesus Christ himself (contained in the Bible) are the unique, final, and infallible Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17; Hebrews 1:1-2; 1 Peter 1:23-25; 2 Peter 1:20-21; 3:15-16). God’s providential preservation of the text of the Bible was marvelously illustrated in the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that the Bible has been corrupted, is missing many “plain and precious parts,” and does not contain the fullness of the gospel (Book of Mormon—1 Nephi 13:26-29; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith , 206; Gospel Principles , 45-48). It also claims that the Book of Mormon is more accurate and reliable than the Bible (Articles of Faith 8; Book of Mormon Teacher Resource Manual , 20).
9. Is the LDS Church the only true church?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the true church was divinely established by Jesus and could never and will never disappear from the earth (Matthew 16:18; 18:15-18; 28:18-20; John 15:16; 17:11; Ephesians 3:21; Jude 3). Christians acknowledge that there have been times of corruption and apostasy within the church, but believe there has always been a remnant that held fast to the biblical essentials.
By contrast, the LDS Church claims to be the only true church on earth and that all other churches are part of a great apostasy that prevailed throughout church history until Joseph Smith. It teaches that only Mormons are authorized to preach the gospel or to perform baptisms and other ordinances (Doctrine & Covenants 1:29-30; Articles of Faith 4-5; Joseph Smith—History 1:18-19; Gospel Principles, 67, 92).
10. Can humans become gods just like their Heavenly Father?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that God is an absolutely unique being, existing from eternity to eternity as God (Psalm 90:2; 102:25-27; Isaiah 40:18, 25; 43:10). Redeemed human beings, though they will become perfected creatures bearing God’s image and like Christ in moral and physical perfection, will not become gods or beings of the same transcendent, divine nature as the Father, Jesus the Son, or the Holy Spirit (Matthew 5:44-48; Romans 8:14-29; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 5:17-21; Philippians 3:7-21; 2 Peter 1:3-7).
By contrast, the LDS Church teaches that faithful Mormons who fulfill all of their spiritual, moral, and ritual obligations can eventually attain the status of gods, beings of the same essential nature as God the Father ruling over their own worlds.“As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be”(Lorenzo Snow, in Presidents of the Church: Student Manual , 88, 90; Gospel Fundamentals , 201; Gospel Principles , 275-79; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith , 71).
To all would be seekers To all open minded rational thinkers.
This article unlike most LDS here gives the sources for what true Christianity is and give the sources LDS on what they believe.
It contrasts the two and you can see for yourself and test forself in light of fact and evidence.
NO hear say but documented evidence that shows Mormons are not Christian.
LDS beliefs are night is to day with respect to the Faith and beliefs of real Christians
The evidence above proves this it is not my opinion but the evidence that declares it as so.
#20334 Feb 17, 2013
You claimed GOD didn't give the LEVIRATE marriage law you ignorant **ng hick.
#20335 Feb 17, 2013
Changing the subject after catching the back-hand of reality slapping your sh* for brains face repeatedly when you claimed God never gave commandment nor support for polygamy's about the only thing a servant of Satan like you has left.
“Duty is a Privilege!”
Since: Sep 12
#20336 Feb 17, 2013
Truth and Facts matter not your Hear Say?
You won't accept the truth... you keep lying using your "ninja anti-key copy paste skills" to copy "evidence" from anti-Mormon sites instead of valid sources.
The truth is the only truth you will accept is that you are right and you will not concede no matter how many TRUE FACTS you are presented with.
Your opinions and lies have no credibility.
You hear the truths from actual Mormons... you won't accept it.
You have been told research AUTHORIZED SOURCES to SEARCH for your EVIDENCE... then PROVE your lies... but you won't.
WHY? Because you can't... you have to rely on your lies and other anti-Mormon lies to "TRY" to "PROVE" your opinions are true. THUS,
you have "NO CREDIBILITY"
you only have "AGENDA"
#20337 Feb 17, 2013
Copy-pasting at large, isn't content, hick.
It's desperation from one of Satan's uncertain sons.
#20338 Feb 17, 2013
2nd Chronicles 24:1 Joash, king:
Joash was seven years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem forty years. His mother was Zibiah from Beersheba.
2:***Joash did what was pleasing in the LORD's sight throughout the lifetime of Jehoiada the priest.***
3:***Jehoiada chose two wives for Joash, and he had sons and daughters.***
Adult men in Israel under the law of Moses, were commanded to marry, with some exceptions: religious service, military duty, etc.
Therefore the law commanding marriage to wife of a dead brother, meant polygamy MUST occur: as it did on a REGULAR basis, being a COMMANDMENT.
Elders also commanded, to try to talk men into it: and punish a man who won't.
"25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:
her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
25:6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.
25:7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife,
then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say,
"My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother."
25:8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
25:9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot,
***and spit in his face***,
and shall answer and say,
"So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house."
25:10 And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.
The LAW COMMANDS.
The law commands the Elders to TALK to MEN about why they won't obey
The law commands the punishment be ***THE WOMAN SPIT in HIS FACE***
The law commands from THEN ON he be known as one who WOULDN'T OBEY the COMMANDMENT.
Satan possessed, family hating, heterosexuality hating, pathological liars addicted to Satanic assault of God's methods
will of course try yet to claim
it isn't in their Bible.
As we see of course it is.
Satan has his pathological lying zombies so possessed they come to assault the judgement of God in commanding LEVIRATE MARRIAGE
to the nation of Israel.
#20339 Feb 17, 2013
If you suspect the power to make men come to accuse, insult and LIE, LIE, LIE, is the power of Satan over a man you're right.
If you've seen people practicing the identical evil and realized it's the power of Satan working through a living person, you're right again.
If you wonder what Satan hates about us,
The Church of Jesus Christ (Saints)
Ask yourself which methods God uses
when he has something important to say to a man,
and to mankind
about important things.
#20340 Feb 17, 2013
NO I did not you are a dumb dumb
#20341 Feb 17, 2013
Mormonism Is Not True…
You have come to the conclusion—perhaps tentatively, perhaps rather definitely—that the LDS faith is not true. Whether you were raised LDS or converted to the Mormon religion, you realize that you no longer believe in it. Where do you go from here?
If you’re like a majority of LDS and former LDS in this situation, you are now unsure what to believe. You have questions not just about Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon but also about Jesus Christ and the Bible. You might even be unsure about the existence of God. And more than likely you are in no hurry to get involved in another church, especially if you have family members who are still part of the LDS Church.
There are two things you need to know. First, this is all perfectly normal. It’s quite understandable to have doubts and questions about the big questions of life after realizing that the system of answers you had accepted for years no longer works for you. Second, please know that you are not alone. Other Mormons have gone through the same crisis of faith as you have. Others are going through it right now. You may prefer to wrestle with matters of faith and doubt on your own, or you may want to share your struggles with others who can relate to your experience. It’s totally up to you. Either way, we are here to help. We can connect you to other former and transitioning Mormons for support, and we can also provide you with resources that may assist you in working through your questions.
From this page, you can find a variety of articles and other informative resources of relevance to you in this time of rethinking what you believe and moving forward with your life.
cont... at link above the TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
#20342 Feb 17, 2013
Failed Prophecies of Joseph Smith
Prophecy # 1 - The Coming of the Lord
President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit.... it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty six years should wind up the scene.(History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).
This prophecy was spoken by Joseph Smith in 1835, and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.
#20343 Feb 17, 2013
Prophecy # 2 - David W. Patten to go on a mission
Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world.(Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)
This prophecy was made on April 17, 1838. David W. Patten died in October of 1838 and thus never went on a mission the following spring.
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