Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 31994 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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Simply

United States

#20209 Feb 15, 2013
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4. We're the Only True Church

I usually told this lie during the first of seven 30-minute missionary lessons, which presented the Joseph Smith story. According to our script, Smith prayed in 1820 about which church to join. He claimed the Father and Son appeared and told him that all Christian churches of the day were wrong. Smith said he was forbidden to join any of them, that their creeds were abominable and their professors all corrupt. "They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me," the Lord allegedly added. "They teach for doctrines the commandments of men" (Joseph Smith — History, verse 19). In subsequent lessons, I told prospects that Mormonism is the true church God restored through Smith.

But the Bible says such a restoration was unnecessary. Admittedly, there was partial apostasy after Christ's resurrection, but never a complete falling away. In fact, shortly before His crucifixion, Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18). During my mission, however, I argued that the gates of hell did prevail against Christ's church.

Shortly after renouncing Mormonism, I learned a scriptural death blow to notions of universal apostasy. Addressing Ephesian believers 30 years after the Ascension, the Apostle Paul writes, "Unto [God] be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen" (Ephesians 3:21). God received glory in the Christian church from the time of Paul's writing to the present day, and He will receive such glory throughout all succeeding generations. Therefore, the church must exist from Paul's day throughout eternity. This annihilates Mormon claims of complete apostasy and makes restoration of Christ's church impossible.
Simply

United States

#20210 Feb 15, 2013
6. The Book of Mormon is Scripture

Joseph Smith claimed that the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth, adding that man would become closer to God by following its precepts than by obeying any other book ("History of the Church," Vol. 4, p. 461). Replace "Book of Mormon" with "the Bible" and Smith would have told the truth.

When teaching missionary lessons, I boldly maintained that the Book of Mormon is scripture. I spent myriad hours convincing prospects that it's a sacred record of Christ's activities in the western hemisphere. Yet many Christians I contacted realized the book "borrows" heavily from the Bible and other sources. And in stark contrast to the Old and New Testaments, virtually no archaeological and anthropological evidence supports the Book of Mormon. Why not? Because it's fiction. When Christians want to read scripture, they turn to the Bible.
Xenon Headlight

Columbus, OH

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Columbus, OH

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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20214 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven?(The Young Woman's Journal, vol. 3, p. 263-264. See reprint in Mormonism -- Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, p. 4.)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

I know you hate to be informed by what was actually said, but read and weep. A paste from the web from me to you :)

This story surfaced in 1881. It was a third-hand account (this person heard it from that person who supposedly heard it from Joseph Smith). Even if true, it should be remember that during Joseph’s day, this was considered scientific fact. Sir Frederick William Herschel, a German-born British astronomer who discovered Uranus, argued that there must be inhabitants on the Moon. He also thought it possible that men lived below the Sun’s surface. And other scientists of that time claimed to have seen proof of life on the moon.

So, even if the story was true, for Joseph, Brigham Young and other prominent Mormons to state the same, only shows that they were men who read and accepted what scientists said.

As for the statement that they wore Quaker clothing. That remark was not made about the moon. It is unknown what planet or moon was being referred to and the Church does not make any conjecture.
Father overtime

Salt Lake City, UT

#20215 Feb 15, 2013
Simply wrote:
Cont'.
3. We're the Only True Christians
For decades, the Mormon Church has tried to blend with mainstream Christianity. Accordingly, during my mission a quarter-century ago, I worked hard to convince prospects that Mormons believe in the biblical Jesus. But Paul warned of deceivers who would lure Christians away from "the simplicity that is in Christ." These false teachers preached "another Jesus" and "another gospel" (2 Corinthians 11: 3-4) and were accursed (see Galatians 1:8-9). How interesting that Paul also cautions against false apostles, such as those in the Mormon Church (2 Corinthians 11:13-14).
So which Jesus and gospel do Mormons preach? While a missionary, I taught that Christ was the firstborn spirit child of the Father in a premortal life.(The remainder of humanity was born as spirits later in this "pre-existence.") But I didn't tell prospects this was a literal birth, the result of literal fathering, as Mormon prophets and apostles have claimed. If asked, I taught that the devil was born as one of God's noble spirit sons during the pre-existence, but had rebelled and started a war in heaven.
Consistent with Mormon doctrine, then, Christ and Satan are spirit brothers. But the Bible teaches that Christ is God (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; John 1:1), that He has always been God (Psalm 90:2), and that He always will be God (Hebrews 13:8). Born into mortality some 2,000 years ago, Jesus is "God... manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). He is far grander and holier than "our Elder Brother," as Mormons dub Him. Jesus and Satan aren't spirit brothers, and true Christians don't believe such blasphemy.
Taking bible verses out of the entire context of the message again I see. You are not Christian. Satan is your brother, and Jesus brother too. The bible doesn't say so because the bible is an incomplete record.

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#20216 Feb 15, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
What is going to happen on judgement day not ashamed?
... just as Cain... if we do don't do our DUTY and choose wisely, Heavenly Father can't show us favor... and we will be case out from his presence.
My guess is you will be judged on the way you have treated all of heavenly fathers children. We will be judged on our good deeds and bad. All of us have both. Im not particularly worried myself. I have kept his GREATEST commandment, to love one another. I can't speak for you.
Simply

Lockhart, TX

#20218 Feb 15, 2013
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8. People Can Become Gods

Given its explosive nature, this tenet was rarely shared with prospective converts. Missionaries try to entice people into Mormonism gradually, and presenting the doctrine of plural gods is seldom the best way. Several contacts learned the concept from their pastors or read about it on their own, but it was new to most prospects.

"Our Father in heaven loves us so much," I often said, parroting our lesson script, "that He provided a plan [Mormonism] for us to become like him." I didn't mention that Mormon godhood includes spirit procreation throughout eternity. Neither did I hint that the Mormon God was formerly a mortal man, had lived on an earth like ours, and had earned salvation through good works. However, such polytheism strips God of glory and sovereignty. No wonder the Bible condemns it so strongly. When discussing plural gods on my mission, I sidestepped Isaiah 44:8 whenever possible. "Is there a God beside me?" the passage reads. "Yea, there is no God; I know not any." Other verses amply testify that only one God exists in the universe (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39; 6:4; Isaiah 43:10-11; 45:21-23).

When confronted with these scriptures as a missionary, I usually countered with, "Those verses mean we worship only one God, that there's only one God to us." And if that failed, I lied further: "The Bible isn't clear on this subject. Fortunately, the Lord told Joseph Smith that mortals can become gods." Smith might have had a revelation, but not from God.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20221 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Try getting a temple recommend while smoking. If something is a "requirement" that would be the definition of a "commandment".
You and anyone else can twist this all you want. Smith, you know, the guy that phrased and instituted the WoW, he stated it didn't come by way of commandment.
If it had been a commandment, a whole lot would have changed in how things were being done in Smith's time instead of the 1920s and 30s.
More and more of the word of wisdom became a requirement to hold positions and finally to even be a member as time went on, as parts of it was defined/redefined to mean this and that.
Read the fricking history you didn't pay attention to in your 30 years as a Mormon.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20222 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't need your level of requirement for facts to know he didn't marry them to shake their hands. Common sense works for those who haven't been brainwashed.
You're stuck between a rock and a wall with you're beliefs though.
On the one hand you say you know for a fact Smith married to have perverted sex.
On the other hand you won't convict yourself to stating how many of the women he married he married for perverted sex.
On the other hand Smith was factually pro-life. He authorized other elders to have several wives. They had children by those wives. Yet to explain lack of children from his own 30 plus wives, you wish to say Smith practiced birth control so not to have kids.
On the other hand at one point you believed he had living family from those wives till I showed you that was incorrect. That the relatives most claimed to be his were found to be lies perpetuated for over a century.
On the other hand you claim Smith married all his wives for perverted sex. Thirty wives in three years. Yet at one time you down played how much sex he was having to try explain the lack of children. Because I stated if he was a sex perv as you say he was, he had to be hitting those wives multiple times every single day for thirty years. So just twice a day for three years would be a minimim of 1000 times. And no kids.
You're own level of 'supposed' facts don't match you're own beliefs of Smith. You call him a sex perv but you down play how often he was having sex to explain the lack of kids. A sex perv is a sex perv. We have instances of them in our time to understand them to make a comparison to Smith. Look at Young, now to your wording there's a sex perv. He couldn't get enough and proved it by the dozens and dozens of children he had by his wives. Yet Smith had more than him in a shorter period of time and no kids.
You've brainwashed yourself to believe crap you can't even logically prove.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20223 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I didn't see them go running to start a new church, and then use it to cheat on his wife, steal from the members, and screw the members wives.
There's absolute proof of somemore of your willful ignorant stupidity.
Smith didn't run off to start a religion after having his 'vision'. But that's okay by you if what you said wasn't actually true, just as long as your good Christian caring self can have something stupid and ignorant to say of Smith.
It's hearsay that he cheated on his wife but you don't care about that fact.
There is no factual proof he stole from his own members. There is no court case to show that ever happened. But you don't care. Having something foul to say is what's important to you.
And screwing other members wives, that's all hearsay but you don't have the honesty to admit it.
Keep it going dude...:)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20224 Feb 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, you believe whatever fairytale you want to make up. He was arrested for destroying a printing press. But violating Constitutional law was hardly the least of his crimes.
Why don't you ever read any actual Mormon history? The charge of 'riot' was for having instructed a mob to destroy that printing press. Yet you like always wish to seperate bits of information that go together to make a complete picture.
You proved you didn't know that when Smith had his boys go destroy that printing press, the charge brought against him for it's destruction was riot.
You knbow I really do go out of my way to show you the difference between using ignorance and using intelligence in debating but you seem not to have a clue of their difference.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20225 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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I am about to use a word in the way it was truly meant to be used.
YOU are and Idiot.
I never said Jews did not practice Polygamy.
I know they did
I know some stole
I know some set up astar poles and had false Idols and bowed down to graven images.
And like Polygamy God never instructed them to do these things, nor did any of his prophets not once INCLUDING polygamy. In fact God commands us to do the opposite.
So if we are to follow your LDS illogical irrational thought process because Jews did it we can do it then we can murder commit Idolatry, steal, cheat, lie
So again I post in the truest meaning of the words definition,
YOU are and Idiot.
Moses made laws for polygamous relationships. Moses (most scholars state) recieved his laws from God. That means God gave laws to regulate polygamous marriages. That insinuates a support for polygamous relationships by God. Why? Because if God was trully against polygamy as you claim, he would have made laws against it for all Israelites. And he would never have made laws to regulate a thing you say he didn't support.

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15 “If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved,

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20226 Feb 15, 2013
Simply wrote:
Polygamy was nothing more but disgusting lust....why can't mormons see that?
1 Tim.3:2 If a man desire an office of a bishop he MUST be the husband of ONE WIFE. There it is a command.
This is for mormons. If polygamy is to be practiced in the future, how would ur wives feel about it?
Polygamy among non-Mormons is alive and well just in the US. Why don't you Google it and read the testimonials from those involved in the practice? Hmm?
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20227 Feb 15, 2013
Yeah he can't figure out why he had to tell them to have the Bishop usually not be a polygamist cause the job requires so much work & time.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20228 Feb 15, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Moses made laws for polygamous relationships. Moses (most scholars state) recieved his laws from God. That means God gave laws to regulate polygamous marriages. That insinuates a support for polygamous relationships by God. Why? Because if God was trully against polygamy as you claim, he would have made laws against it for all Israelites. And he would never have made laws to regulate a thing you say he didn't support.
Firstborn Inheritance Rights
15 “If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved,
Idiot

He also gave laws on what to do if someone steals, commits adultry, or murders.

Just because Moses or God or his Prophets give laws on how to deal with the consequences of mans sins does not me they are condoned or to be practiced.

Again God's commands forbid Polygamy not once does he command this God or his prophets no he in fact calls us to be of one wife and Especially Elders leaders of the church if the are not of one wife the NT commands us God commands to allow them in leadership positions.

That is why LDS is FALSE they do and did.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20229 Feb 15, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>
...blah, blah, blah..
The Lamanites loved one another,
The Islamic terrorists on 9/11 loved one another,
The Jews who murdered Jesus Christ loved one another;
but, you are absolutely right you can't speak for me.

So DON'T!

Post after post you deny that your DUTY is to FOLLOW Church Standards... you TRY to conveniently say it's alright to do things YOUR way.

If it was okay to do things your way... YOU would be HEAVENLY FATHER. You're not him and have a long way to go based on your posts. The only way to get into the Kingdom of God is to do your DUTY.

On judgement day the Lord Almighty is going to do his DUTY and he is going to condemn all those who preach against him, all those who don't do what he said.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20230 Feb 15, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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Idiot
He also gave laws on what to do if someone steals, commits adultry, or murders.
Just because Moses or God or his Prophets give laws on how to deal with the consequences of mans sins does not me they are condoned or to be practiced.
Again God's commands forbid Polygamy not once does he command this God or his prophets no he in fact calls us to be of one wife and Especially Elders leaders of the church if the are not of one wife the NT commands us God commands to allow them in leadership positions.
That is why LDS is FALSE they do and did.
If what you're saying's not the pathological lies of a Satan-darkened mind,

then when I google
"Jewish Polygamy"

and

"Biblical Polygamy"

There won't be 4,000 years of God not only commanding polygamy,

but commanding it

for the entire Israelite nation,

with some exceptions, like rigorous religious work, military duty, etc.

Oh - but I did.

And they DID practice polygamy : for 4,000 plus years,

with the Jews MOSTLY abandoning it in the year 1,000

and some Jews and some Christians practicing it this very day.

Your bizarrely criminopathological attribute, that God gave rules on how sin was to be practiced, peg you as satanic.

GOD made it LAW
that ALL whose brothers died, who weren't otherwise exempted by conditions such as above,

were to marry his wives.

There were sensible consideration exemptions for women who met certain requisites & who didn't want to marry any of the brothers.

All it takes to check on a sodomite's claim that God hates heterosexuality is about TWO QUICK SHAKES of that STICK of JUDAH in that satanic face.

God doesn't MAKE sin HIS law.

YOU make it YOURS.
Care Enough To Google It

Live Oak, CA

#20231 Feb 15, 2013
Which is why you're still writhing around in full-on denial after that entire internet full of all the information it takes to make you a lying sociopathological laughingstock & general purpose, satanic pro-Sodomite.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20232 Feb 15, 2013
Care Enough To Google It wrote:
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Yeah they do. They mean "don't choke on your condom denying the reality of Mary being pregnant the way Joseph's neighbors would."
JOSEPH HID MARY because HIS NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED SHE COULD BE
PREGNANT without SEX,
TOO.
Carol I'm not the one denying the virgin birth, it the LDS church that is. Come to terms with it.

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