Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32007 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20010 Feb 10, 2013
ConcernedEnoughToGOOGLEiT wrote:
Like the father of all those other sociopathological, liars, Egypt.
The god of the lover of the dark. The god of the lover of the lie.
He told you to despise God's way. He told you that you don't have to honor past prophets' relationship to God because you have one, yourself: a personal one.
But you don't have a personal relationship with God as long as you remain a sociopath:
a glib, lying fanatical misleader of humanity,
with artificial zeal for
telling lies in the name of the Lord.
"Lying for the Lord" is another long held tradition of the LDS church:
http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord
Apparently, Mormons are great lovers of a good lie.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20011 Feb 10, 2013
ConcernedEnoughToGOOGLEiT wrote:
I suppose Egypt is saying that since there's no being sure from just his opinion whether he's a practicing Christian, there need to be historically accurate evidence from the Abrahamic religious way.
He needs to check whether his religion has 12 Apostles as Jesus' Church;
If he has Peter, Mark, Paul, John, etc, he does.
He needs to check for baptism in immersive fashion as outlined in religious historical documentation of Jewish Temple bathing rites, and Christianic rites of identical submersions as baths, washing away sin;
Jewish bathing rituals have nothing to do with water baptism. Baptism by immersion was never commanded as th only way it was to be done. Prove me wrong if you can.
He needs to check for laying on hands for a gift of edification called the "gift of the holy ghost."
The gift of the Holy Spirit can come to a person also just by hearing the word of God. The day of Pentecost is scriptural proof of that, as is Paul's conversion. Why are you trying to limit God?
He needs to check whether his church assigns and sets aside all men in devisions of priesthoods such that all are priests, but not all are qualified to assign the laying on of hands,
For one, if you are the church Christ created, there is only one High Priest, that is Jesus Christ. You should actually read what Hebrews says on the matter and learn your church has screwed it all up. For another, a Teacher isn't a priesthood, it's a position. For another, Elders are not 18 yr old boys who can barely wipe their noses, hence the use of the word "Elder". The mormon church really needs to get a dictionary. Deacons aren't suppose to be 12 yrs old either, and it isn't a priesthood, it is a position of authority in the church.
He needs to check for miraculous visitations from Angelic beings resembling men, who identify with the characters of history so well those biblical characters speak with them,'as one man speaketh with another'
After Joseph Smith, what record do you have of any of your leaders getting "Angelic visitations"? What evidence do we have besides Smiths word that he didn't make it up? I'll be glad to show you evidence that his "visitations" were fiction.
He needs to check that his own church has groups of seventy at a time set apart to spread the gospel of the Church of Jesus Christ,
That isn't a job just for the Seventies. That is a job for every believer of Jesus Christ.
He needs to check that the priesthood can not be attained through donations of money
Like the General Authorities of the LDS church do?
He needs to check that the persons involved claim of themselves as personal individuals, visiations from angels, God Himself, and having also visions of how things are going to be in the future, often referred to as 'dreams'.
And we need to check to make sure those same persons are not the false prophets Jesus warned us of in the Bible. Anyone can make claims, the burden of proof lays with the one making the claims.

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20012 Feb 10, 2013
He needs to check to be sure the organization is divinely appointed with heavenly beings doing all primary instruction before momentous events;
So do you. Again, you can claim anything.
He needs to check to be sure the beings claimed to be seen, testify of repentence, and of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God of Israel; and that said beings appear to be able to quote, verbatim, scripture: identically in model to those of the Abrahamic religion's documentation.
That would be just about every Christian denomination today, nothing that the LDS church can claim as exclusive. Not even close. The Mormon churches problem is that it denies the teachings of the Bible, adding doctrine to tickle the ears of men, denying the grace of Jesus Christ in favor of a salvation based upon your on righteousness, and not that of our Lords.
When he has those
he can be sort of like the Mormons
who have those. And more.
You're smoking crack, now. You are delusional.
He needs to check whether his organization has a culture of gathering by priests of one tenth for distribution to those in need.
Even though Paul taught that it was to come out of our abundance instead?
He needs to check for whether the culture surrounding the organization he joins seem to have an unusually high number of regional and area-wide champions, as though the culture creates a large amount of personal self-development: where being successful is the norm in activities demanding a lot of perserverence.
And he needs to check whether the culture has a high level of suicides, like Utah does. It is in the top 10% of the nation. You have been successful in that area.
He needs to check for an overall high amount of cultural sensitivity to the concepts of governance; crime among the indoctrinated being the exception rather than rule,
with the culture members being very frequently sought out as cultural secular leaders due to a capacity to work within governments.
That's why the LDS church had to move to Utah, it had such a "high amount of cultural sensitivity to the concepts of governance"
The culture should have a high rate of literacy and stress systematically and statistically methodological ability to check for coherence in written & spoken language.
Like Joseph Smith did with his 5th grade edumacation, Jethro.
The culture of his church should be one that STRESSES CONTINUAL REVERENCE FOR even JESUS CHRIST, the SAVIOR of THEM who REPENT of THEIR SINs. The culture of his church should teach of a Godhead which uses classical leadership and political hierarchy organizational schematics & terminologies regularly,
Well, if a church that claimed to be a church of Jesus Christ didn't have "reverence", what kind of church would it be? If this isn't the most ignorant of claims I've ever read. Just how stupid do you think people are?
His church should be an organization that has many converts from many different walks of life, from many different languages, lands, tribes, peoples.
His church should have a REFERENCE SYSTEM REGARDING MALE and FEMALE SEXUALITY as LITERAL and UTTERLY INTRINSIC to the BEINGS whom they claim to worship: such that a God CAN impregnate a woman: and that the CHILD be FULLY sexually functional in every way: and never
ever
refer to sexuality or human reproductive evolution in ANY but CLASSICAL sexual TERMS,
OVERLAPPING the GOD they WORSHIP and the FAMILY of MAN WORSHIPPING them.
No sneak tricks about how God's a deceiving liar because he didn't catch VD like the monogamists.
Then there are actually quite a few more things he can check and if he's got all that down for sure,
as we Mormons have in ours,
MAYBE.
So, you want the good old days of polygamy to come back? Where did you copy this trash? And you dare criticize Egyptian for copying and pasting?
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20013 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You're really quite full of yourself. God condoned polygamy. God allowed prophets and leaders to have polygamous marriages and NEVER EVER said an ill word about it. That means that in some instances that served God's purposes, he allowed polygamous marriages to take place. Hate that Bible fact all you want but it remains a Bible fact.
NOT an ill well you would be as useless at poker as you are posting here

Dt 17:16 The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the LORD has told you,“You are not to go back that way again.”
Dt 17:17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
Dt 17:18 When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the priests, who are Levites.
Dt 17:19 It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the LORD his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees
Dt 17:20 and not consider himself better than his brothers and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel.

Dt 17:17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. did you get that pretty sure this qualifies as ill words.

Despite his world–renowned wisdom, Solomon’s peaceful and prosperous rule ended in idolatrous scandal and civil strife, for “his wives turned his heart after other gods”(1 Kings 11:4).

MATTHEW 19:4–6
“Haven’t you read,” he replied,“that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said,‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?’ So they are no longer two, but one.”

BTW when I copy and paste the Bible is that bad too??? LOL

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20014 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
"Lying for the Lord" is another long held tradition of the LDS church:
http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord
Apparently, Mormons are great lovers of a good lie.
Wiki is not a valid source for proven factual evidence... as anyone can edit and add anything they want to the data.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20015 Feb 10, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Wiki is not a valid source for proven factual evidence... as anyone can edit and add anything they want to the data.
Wiki can not be edited by just anybody as you say.

It is now considered even by Encyclopedia Britannica to be more accurate then there very own Encyclopedia and they have stopped printing theirs.

It is no considered by major Universities to be a legitimate source and now is better footnoted and documented than any other Encyclopedia in History.

you should google that one. or bing it or Yahoo it take your pick
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20016 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
So do you. Again, you can claim anything.
<quoted text>
That would be just about every Christian denomination today, nothing that the LDS church can claim as exclusive. Not even close. The Mormon churches problem is that it denies the teachings of the Bible, adding doctrine to tickle the ears of men, denying the grace of Jesus Christ in favor of a salvation based upon your on righteousness, and not that of our Lords.
<quoted text>
You're smoking crack, now. You are delusional.
<quoted text>
Even though Paul taught that it was to come out of our abundance instead?
<quoted text>
And he needs to check whether the culture has a high level of suicides, like Utah does. It is in the top 10% of the nation. You have been successful in that area.
<quoted text>
That's why the LDS church had to move to Utah, it had such a "high amount of cultural sensitivity to the concepts of governance"
<quoted text>
Like Joseph Smith did with his 5th grade edumacation, Jethro.
<quoted text>
Well, if a church that claimed to be a church of Jesus Christ didn't have "reverence", what kind of church would it be? If this isn't the most ignorant of claims I've ever read. Just how stupid do you think people are?
<quoted text>
So, you want the good old days of polygamy to come back? Where did you copy this trash? And you dare criticize Egyptian for copying and pasting?
These last two posts very good appreciated.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20017 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing

Check out the above link regarding help editing pages in wiki:

"Wikipedia is a wiki, meaning that anyone can edit any unprotected page and improve articles immediately for all readers. You do not need to register to do this. Anyone who has edited is known as a "Wikipedian" and, no matter how trivial the edit may seem, can be proud that he or she has helped make Wikipedia what it is. All of these edits add up!

However, some pages are protected from editing. These pages have a View source tab instead of an Edit tab. You can still edit these pages indirectly, by submitting an "edit request" – an editor with the ability to edit the protected page will respond to your request. You can submit a request by clicking on the View source tab on that page and using the "Submit an edit request" link at the bottom right."

******

Ninja anti-key at work... simple minded BS opinions are not credible wacko!

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20018 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
No Surprise is far more credible than you.

At least he knows what he is talking about through research... not just listening to other anti-key ninja skill copy paste artists.

You - and people like you - are the ones with no credibility, no research, no evidence... just simple minded knee jerk anti-key agenda.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#20019 Feb 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The odds are no greater that a gay couple will molest a child than a straight couple. If you are anti-abortion, pro-life, you have to be willing to let the children who were not aborted have a chance at having a family.
Actually, it's double the odds since there are two men in the home.

I'm not against gay men adopting boys, but I still say it's crazy for two men to parent little girls for many reasons.

I don't make a big deal of gays adopting kids in general because our society is falling apart and good homes are better than institutions and foster care. Also, molestation is a huge problem, which the American people want to ignore, like telling their young people to join the military and self-destruct, etc.
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Yuba City, CA

#20020 Feb 11, 2013
I knew a lot of anti Mormons weren't well educated

in Abrahamic literary tradition,

it's hard to fathom

people study several thousand years of patriarchal, Mosaic and Christian law,

then come onto public forums and feign disavowal of polygamy.

Several thousand years, not ending till 1,000, of Jewish polygamy alone.

Instead, they lie: and claim NOTHING of the sort ever happened, and insist ANYTHING studied,

except what comes from their disjointed,

handed down book of fragments,

is legitimate Abrahamic/Judaic doctrinal study.

Seeing it for myself it's more like pathological lying.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#20021 Feb 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I think what most people want is for the LDS church to take responsibility for what happened. Mormons still make excuses today blaming everything and everybody but the church. The LDS church is responsible for what happen because of what the leaders were preaching at the time. If you don't know much about the Mormon reformation of the 1850's, you should look into it.
The Catholic church has offered apologies for the Spanish inquisition, and the Southern Baptist church has offered apologies for their racists teachings in the beginning, supporting slavery. But the Mormon church won't take responsibility for anything.
They can't -- if they started exposing lies, the entire satanic religion would crumble. Once the idiot masses start questioning what they're told, they'd figure it out.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have left the Catholic Church for the same reason. They keep changing their god, which leads people to question that whole false religion.
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Yuba City, CA

#20022 Feb 11, 2013
"...and insist * that not *

ANYTHING studied,"

above

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20023 Feb 11, 2013
Mrs Dane Roberts... did you ever get your records straightened out regarding which sex you are? Female!!!
and MARRIED to a Female!!!

IN numerous CREDIT checks where they store your DATA you are referred to this... it's a fact. Check it out!

The problem is daddy didn't condone your homosexuality practices because daddy is a Mormon Bishop in the Bay area.

Dana is a SHE... and She is married to a woman.

And is trashing the Church because her father stood to what he believes (the doctrines) and did not go wishy washy when his daughter came out of the closet.

I don't blame him.

Standards are Standards,

Duty is Duty.

Dana is here to "trash" the Church because she feels like she was "traded in for" standards.
The things she says about the Church are made out of hatred and spite... not based on factual evidence.

That is anti-key agenda.

wuzluz

Pittsburgh, PA

#20024 Feb 11, 2013
http://youtube.com/watch... … Get over it

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#20025 Feb 11, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
Mrs Dane Roberts... did you ever get your records straightened out regarding which sex you are? Female!!!
and MARRIED to a Female!!!
IN numerous CREDIT checks where they store your DATA you are referred to this... it's a fact. Check it out!
The problem is daddy didn't condone your homosexuality practices because daddy is a Mormon Bishop in the Bay area.
Dana is a SHE... and She is married to a woman.
And is trashing the Church because her father stood to what he believes (the doctrines) and did not go wishy washy when his daughter came out of the closet.
I don't blame him.
Standards are Standards,
Duty is Duty.
Dana is here to "trash" the Church because she feels like she was "traded in for" standards.
The things she says about the Church are made out of hatred and spite... not based on factual evidence.
That is anti-key agenda.
Wow!! I am a little awed that you even posted this. I have no idea if Dana is a man or a woman. Though judging from post and our own personal communication I would def say male. Although, what I really would like to know is what his gender has to do with the topic.
Dana left the church and is against all of its teachings. What I can say is that Dana still accepts members as people. He doesn't judge each of us as Mormons, but as people.
I think you are sinking to a new low when you bring someones sexuality into the equation , just because they do not agree with our beliefs. Also, you kill everything many have us have done to show people that as a religion we are Christian. What you just posted is anything but Christ like.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20026 Feb 11, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah ...
... really? really? lol

-You show your respect for standards and duty constantly it's not a surprise you stand up for dana... because you are pro-gay... and that's great... I'm happy for you. It's your choice.

-However, I wonder whom the Lord was referring to in:

Isaiah 29:13

13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men.

-YOU ARE EITHER DUTY AND STANDARD DRIVEN OR YOU'RE NOT...
not a soul can hide from their duty.
not a soul can hide from the Lord.

******

If you have questions about her gender... all you gotta do is a background check... you can even google maps her address and see her house.

You can do a background check on her wife... Helena.

-I guess knowing how to use the Internet as a resource serves multiple purposes... right.

-What this has to do with is exposing Dana's agenda... and why she slanders the Christ and his Church.

-WHY does she speak her lies?

-That is exactly why I posted what I did.

-I read through all the past posts... even created a reference database for myself :)

-Don't be surprised the Church encourages education.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20027 Feb 11, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah ...
I have said this multiple times to you & I will say it again...

Live and let live...
that's choice...
that's freedom.

As long as it doesn't hurt someone else.

ANYONE WHOM IS Misrepresenting the LDS Church is hurts someone else. It hurts a lot of people... that's what offends me... and it is my DUTY and not mine alone to defend it and tell the truth.

---

The truth of the matter is... YOU do not offend me... I offend you.

You jumped in attack mode because in the first week I made the statement:

"I think some people join the Church for other people and don't have a true understanding of the teachings and history that the Church is based on."

---

I can tell you that the Church does not teach to cruisade against others who follow the Church standards...

I have lived and traveled throughout the U.S. and know some wonderful LDS members all over...
and then there are people who are offended by RULES. They are REBELLIOUS... OUTLAWS... JOINING but CRUSADING at the same time.

---

If you continue to live your life that way... I'm not gonna stop you. But I AM HERE TO WITNESS and TESTIFY the CHURCH standards are not being represented by you.

The Church teaches obedience and honor of Heavenly Father. You show no honor when you dismiss him when you say YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE CHURCH by establish your standards and being offended by others who choose to stand by them.
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Yuba City, CA

#20028 Feb 11, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>Wow!! I am a little awed that you even posted this. I have no idea if Dana is a man or a woman. Though judging from post and our own personal communication I would def say male. Although, what I really would like to know is what his gender has to do with the topic.
Dana left the church and is against all of its teachings. What I can say is that Dana still accepts members as people. He doesn't judge each of us as Mormons, but as people.
I think you are sinking to a new low when you bring someones sexuality into the equation , just because they do not agree with our beliefs. Also, you kill everything many have us have done to show people that as a religion we are Christian. What you just posted is anything but Christ like.
You sound like that wacked out woman who brings her kids to church dressed like rock and roll rednecks,

then later you find out the oldest boy got suspended from school for making inappropriate sexual advances toward other chidren.

...We told you about that "dressing them like professional clowns, and encouraging them to act like jerks."
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Yuba City, CA

#20029 Feb 11, 2013
Someone sounds like they're looking forward to the day when they see their kid playing with his sister's doll out of boredom one day,

then presenting him with options to buy clothes from either the boys' or girls' section at the local ghetto Wal-Mart from then on.

You can hear her sobbing and crying about her alcoholic husband finally cleaning it up after the first adulterous affair, up on the podium "...I thought sure...SniFF.. litte Dana-poo was born transgenderDDDDD *sob*sob*sob*sob*...an' I have SO MUCH to BEAR, he got in trouble in the lunch room because he was taunting one of the girls about showing them his weenie, and *HOnnnNNK!*SNIF!* and...I thought... OhWeLLaTLeasT he isn't gay after ALL.."

She's the one who comes across the parking lot screaming and acting like the whole thing's such a big ordeal. It is a big ordeal: Sunday's their only exposure to Latter-Day Saint culture.

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