Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32072 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#29217 Nov 11, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
My point is he still has to meet their criteria, attend church services, and follow all the other rules and regulations they have mandated.
http://www.nwcu.edu/about/values-elaboration
Mandatory membership, and beliefs wasn't one of them. Surely you can see the big difference in the reaction. Curtis had to leave because he lost faith, not because he was breaking any other rule.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#29218 Nov 11, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>This is a quote from a student at NWC:

B Campus Strictness: Strict for Most – The school has rules that must be followed and might not be exactly the freedom you expected. Some of the rules are a little much sometimes. The rules are enforced sometimes and then are kind of ignored other times. If you follow the rules it is a great place but if you are someone who will go against anything that you feel is restricting your freedom then you will have trouble.

College Senior Mar 7 2012

http://collegeprowler.com/northwest-christian...
This is very telling. It's "strict," and "not the freedom " you might expect. "The rules are enforced sometimes and then are kind of ignored other times."

"if you are someone who will go against anything that you feel is restricting your freedom then you will have trouble."

Interesting...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#29219 Nov 11, 2013
What would happen if the Student President left the LDS church? He would be kicked out. Curtis wasn't living on campus or in student housing. He was even kicked out of his apartment. He should sue the hell out of the landlord for that. That is against Federal law.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#29220 Nov 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Mandatory membership, and beliefs wasn't one of them. Surely you can see the big difference in the reaction. Curtis had to leave because he lost faith, not because he was breaking any other rule.
I disagree. He broke several rules. All of which have been covered at great length. After reading what NWCU expects, it seems they expect just as much, if not more.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#29221 Nov 11, 2013
Okay... sorry, I'm tired. I'll catch up tomorrow.

Since: Oct 08

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#29222 Nov 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Mandatory membership, and beliefs wasn't one of them. Surely you can see the big difference in the reaction. Curtis had to leave because he lost faith, not because he was breaking any other rule.
And if a non Mormon at BYU lost his faith, he would still be a student there.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#29223 Nov 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
What would happen if the Student President left the LDS church? He would be kicked out. Curtis wasn't living on campus or in student housing. He was even kicked out of his apartment. He should sue the hell out of the landlord for that. That is against Federal law.
Where'd you hear that? I don't remember him saying he lived off campus in "public" housing (apartment).

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#29224 Nov 11, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>And if a non Mormon at BYU lost his faith, he would still be a student there.
wow...

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#29225 Nov 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Mandatory membership, and beliefs wasn't one of them. Surely you can see the big difference in the reaction. Curtis had to leave because he lost faith, not because he was breaking any other rule.
And, he was free to leave. That was HIS choice. He did what he wanted to do.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#29226 Nov 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
What would happen if the Student President left the LDS church? He would be kicked out. Curtis wasn't living on campus or in student housing. He was even kicked out of his apartment. He should sue the hell out of the landlord for that. That is against Federal law.
If that was the case... HOW IS IT THE CHURCH'S FAULT he lost his housing?

Since: Oct 08

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#29227 Nov 11, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>Where'd you hear that? I don't remember him saying he lived off campus in "public" housing (apartment).
It's Provo..google it and wake up

Since: Oct 08

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#29228 Nov 11, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>wow...
It's shocking, isn't it?

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#29229 Nov 11, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
It's shocking, isn't it?
What is shocking is your engaging this like a crime has been committed.

He wasn't told he can't attend in the future.
He wasn't told that his units wouldn't transfer.
He wasn't kicked out of his house by the Church.
He wasn't kicked out of the school by the Church.
and the Church did not take his job away from him.

The only thing the Church did was say you need to repent if you are going to stay a member.

He quit at that point. It was his choice.

Since: Oct 08

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#29230 Nov 11, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>What is shocking is your engaging this like a crime has been committed.

He wasn't told he can't attend in the future.
He wasn't told that his units wouldn't transfer.
He wasn't kicked out of his house by the Church.
He wasn't kicked out of the school by the Church.
and the Church did not take his job away from him.

The only thing the Church did was say you need to repent if you are going to stay a member.

He quit at that point. It was his choice.
If you ever pull your head out of the sand, you will probably be horrified

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#29231 Nov 11, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
How weird..you are defending an LDS university that discriminates against Mormons. I could enroll there tomorrow as an athiest..he can't attend as one.
No. I wasn't defending BYU. I was explaining BYU to an idiot that went through a rigorous application process that claims they never paid attention and now blames the BYU system for their screw ups.
BYU schools have EVERY STUDENT get a recommend from a Mormon bishop or stake president and non-Mormons are to get the same recommend from a Mormon bishop or stake president or their own local religious leader that will vouch for their character. That is why atheists don't get in by admitting their an atheist. They don't have a religious leader to vouch for their character. Those are the rules.
What I tire of is pathetic idiots that blame things and others for their irresponsible/purposeful actions.
As said, you couldn't enroll as a self proclaimed atheist. Unless you could prove to BYU entrance persons that you have an accredited recommendation from an atheist religious leader BYU recognizes?
Better than that, paste from the BYU site where they welcome atheists...lol...good luck on that one :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#29232 Nov 11, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Only Mormons can't convert. That's the issue you oddly don't seem to have a problem with.
It's not a matter of having problems with BYU policies or not. That's you thinking people should have problems with their policies.
You don't get this. IT'S A MORMON RELIGION BASED CHURCH. What of that aren't you understanding? For a Mormon to become a student, they have to tell a bishop or stake president their a true blue active Mormon. Doing this gets them a financial cut in tution, housing etc. So if a person who's a Mormon lies to get those financial perks, they're their own liar. Their lies can come back on them.
I do agree that a Mormon should have a right to change beliefs. But if they had that policy, BYU would be wise to make sure after the student becomes 'non-Mormon status and is paying regular fees etc, they are legally held responsible to pay back the percentage the church paid for when they enlisted as a Mormon to get those perks. You play, you should pay.

Since: Oct 08

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#29233 Nov 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>No. I wasn't defending BYU. I was explaining BYU to an idiot that went through a rigorous application process that claims they never paid attention and now blames the BYU system for their screw ups.
BYU schools have EVERY STUDENT get a recommend from a Mormon bishop or stake president and non-Mormons are to get the same recommend from a Mormon bishop or stake president or their own local religious leader that will vouch for their character. That is why atheists don't get in by admitting their an atheist. They don't have a religious leader to vouch for their character. Those are the rules.
What I tire of is pathetic idiots that blame things and others for their irresponsible/purposeful actions.
As said, you couldn't enroll as a self proclaimed atheist. Unless you could prove to BYU entrance persons that you have an accredited recommendation from an atheist religious leader BYU recognizes?
Better than that, paste from the BYU site where they welcome atheists...lol...good luck on that one :)
No, you are defending BYU

Since: Oct 08

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#29234 Nov 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>It's not a matter of having problems with BYU policies or not. That's you thinking people should have problems with their policies.
You don't get this. IT'S A MORMON RELIGION BASED CHURCH. What of that aren't you understanding? For a Mormon to become a student, they have to tell a bishop or stake president their a true blue active Mormon. Doing this gets them a financial cut in tution, housing etc. So if a person who's a Mormon lies to get those financial perks, they're their own liar. Their lies can come back on them.
I do agree that a Mormon should have a right to change beliefs. But if they had that policy, BYU would be wise to make sure after the student becomes 'non-Mormon status and is paying regular fees etc, they are legally held responsible to pay back the percentage the church paid for when they enlisted as a Mormon to get those perks. You play, you should pay.
Right..imagine "thinking people" having a problem with their policies..wow

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#29235 Nov 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
Why does the LDS church fear freedom?
It doesn't. That's a twisted notion coming from you who thinks to be a Mormon one doesn't have to be an actual Mormon but, they as an inactive Mormon should get to do everything a active Mormon does including going to temples and going to BYU schools.
Mormons going to a Mormon church are suppose to be active Mormons unless their liars and deceivers. The same for BYU. Mormons go there because they have told a bishop or stake president (in honesty or as a liar)that their a true blue active Mormon.
A group of atheists would like a theistic based person in their midst telling them atheism is wrong and stupid and they should change their beliefs. Why should a religion allow the opposite type person among themselves to stir up crap? Are you that backwards in your ability to comprehend situations?
Don't go to BYU if you have doubts. Simple concept.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#29236 Nov 12, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Mandatory membership, and beliefs wasn't one of them. Surely you can see the big difference in the reaction. Curtis had to leave because he lost faith, not because he was breaking any other rule.
Curtis entered BYU with a contractual obligation that he was a active Mormon and that was his faith. Because he stated that he got financial perks to go to BYU. Those financial perks are pluses you don't get at other universities/colleges.
Curtis knew the issues that would take place if he converted from Mormonism to anything else and admitted it or hid it and was found out.
BYU is a Mormon based education system and somehow as a Mormon, Curtis had a brain fart, forgot that fact and thought he could do anything he pleased that broke the honor code and discipline measures shouldn't apply to him.

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