Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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sportxmouse

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#25894 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
Ok lets go at it again.
There is nothing that points to black people having ANYTHING to do with this. There is nothing that points to it any more or less than white people.
SO why do you suggest that it could be dark skin? And cain was not "cast out" of anywhere.
and there was nothing about his descendents being cast out or suffering, and even if they were, there is no relationship between them and any known race of people.
So where do you get the notion that dark skin has anything to do with this?
<quoted text>
I don't suggest it... you just say I do... I tend to agree with the bible historians.

sportxmouse

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#25895 May 23, 2013
Genesis 4:8-16
8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and aslew him.

9 ∂And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my abrotherís bkeeper?

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brotherís ablood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou acursed from the bearth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brotherís blood from thy hand;

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a afugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13 And Cain said unto the Lord, aMy punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall aslay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a amark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 ∂And Cain went out from the apresence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of bEden.

PAY ATTENTION TO THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURE...
the scripture is vague... "Cast out" wasn't used in above... he said he went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

It does not say Eden was in Africa... and it does not say ADAM and EVE were BLACK... you did.

sportxmouse

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#25896 May 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't suggest it... you just say I do... I tend to agree with the bible historians.
I don't suggest ADAM AND EVE came from AFRICA or was BLACK.

sportxmouse

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#25897 May 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Carol, the KKK laundry called, your sheets are ready.
Yes!

I do know what you meant when you said you would KILL JESUS CHRIST YOURSELF for teaching doctrines you disapprove of.

Maybe you are part of the KKK, or Hitler's clan.

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#25898 May 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Or, it could have been black skin...
that is why there are
dark skin people and
light skin people.

Now with the bible historians:

Which historians?

Are you saying you agree with some of them, or all of them? You only pointed out one viewpoint. Yet other historians, many others, have other viewpoints. Why did you not choose to speak on those historian views?

IN fact... YOU've been simply following the bible historians on this one?

Please, NAME THEM. I'd LOVE to read their commentaries!
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't suggest it... you just say I do... I tend to agree with the bible historians.

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#25899 May 23, 2013
Then read the ENTIRE passage right.

He was just having a conversation with God, then he LEFT the presence of God. He was not cast out.

And with your same smartypants attitude

"Where else was Eden then??? PROVE IT PROVE IT! SHOW EVIDENCE!"
sportxmouse wrote:
Genesis 4:8-16
8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and aslew him.
9 ∂And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my abrotherís bkeeper?
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brotherís ablood crieth unto me from the ground.
11 And now art thou acursed from the bearth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brotherís blood from thy hand;
12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a afugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, aMy punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall aslay me.
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a amark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16 ∂And Cain went out from the apresence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of bEden.
PAY ATTENTION TO THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURE...
the scripture is vague... "Cast out" wasn't used in above... he said he went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
It does not say Eden was in Africa... and it does not say ADAM and EVE were BLACK... you did.

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#25900 May 23, 2013
I suggest it because the evidence supports it more than any other color.

Where do you get your "cain was marked with black skin" from?

Bible historians? You mean those in the 15th - 19th centuries, clouded by their own European racism?

Or you mean the one Syrian guy that talked about Cain's face?

Or maybe you're talking about the Muslims... or maybe the Talmud?

You really put your trust in their prejudice huh?
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't suggest ADAM AND EVE came from AFRICA or was BLACK.

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#25901 May 23, 2013
No Sport...

the KKK thinks that Cain was marked with black skin...

You know... like you do!
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes!
I do know what you meant when you said you would KILL JESUS CHRIST YOURSELF for teaching doctrines you disapprove of.
Maybe you are part of the KKK, or Hitler's clan.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25902 May 23, 2013
From the first post to the last, the evidence is clear.

Panty Raid was on the hunt for some easy gullible white ladies!
fedupwiththemess wrote:
I do. They do not go by the bible nor does the bible mention mormonism it it. They have created a so called "extension" or another book of the bible calling it the book of mormon. Mormonism was created by a horny man wanting to screw more than one woman so he made it up saying GOD told him to do so. Women fell for it.

sportxmouse

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#25903 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
No Sport...
the KKK thinks that Cain was marked with black skin...
You know... like you do!
<quoted text>
Perhaps Dana gave up Mormonism for the KKK, or Hitler's Clan...

he is the one that threatened to kill Jesus Christ.

sportxmouse

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#25904 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
The mark could have been a symbol on his forehead.
It could have been blonde hair.
It could have been some bird flying near him.
It could have been red hair.
It could have been a horn growing out of his head.
It could have been an extra arm or leg.
The POINT IS it could have been a million things.
Why you get the notion that the "owth" is black skin?
<quoted text>
My Response was:
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Or, it could have been black skin...
that is why there are
dark skin people and
light skin people.
Your response was:
osirica wrote:
After saying this... Why do you call me a racist
Just explain it to me. How do you gravitate towards this down below, and then call me racist later when I say it's white skin?
Its as if you're convinced that "dark skin" is more likely and sensible than white skin...
How does that work?
<quoted text>
Are you really this juvenile?

sportxmouse

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#25905 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
No Sport...
the KKK thinks that Cain was marked with black skin...
You know... like you do!
<quoted text>
Yes I do think think that for he left for a reason...
to hide his head in shame...

he was cursed...
with a "MARK" the meaning of words and language change vastly over time.

Your argument does not hold up.

HE WAS MARKED DUDE SO OTHERS COULD IDENTIFY HIM.

or, maybe God had a butterfly fly over his head ever moment of every day... get real.

sportxmouse

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#25906 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
I suggest it because the evidence supports it more than any other color.
Where do you get your "cain was marked with black skin" from?
Bible historians? You mean those in the 15th - 19th centuries, clouded by their own European racism?
Or you mean the one Syrian guy that talked about Cain's face?
Or maybe you're talking about the Muslims... or maybe the Talmud?
You really put your trust in their prejudice huh?
<quoted text>
Oh, and I love the way you make all of European racist.

Wow... just wow.
StupidLovesScoff ing

Live Oak, CA

#25907 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
Ok lets go at it again.
There is nothing that points to black people having ANYTHING to do with this. There is nothing that points to it any more or less than white people.
SO why do you suggest that it could be dark skin? And cain was not "cast out" of anywhere.
and there was nothing about his descendents being cast out or suffering, and even if they were, there is no relationship between them and any known race of people.
So where do you get the notion that dark skin has anything to do with this?
<quoted text>
You make a lot of noise sounding stupid. You know exactly who in history believed Cain was black.

LiberalPedia even has some of the story so you're just acting stupid again like every time I come by and see you agitating about having never heard of Cain being black before.

You can't argue with 1500 years and more, really, so you argue on the internet with strangers.

From LiberalPedia,

"Early church exegesis

In Syriac Christianity, early exegesis of the "curse" and the "mark", associated the curse of Cain with black skin.[18]

Some argue that this may have originated from RABBINIC TEXTS, which interpreted a passage in the Book of Genesis ("And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell" (Gen. 4:5), suggesting that Cain underwent a permanent change in skin color.

In an Eastern Christian (Armenian) Adam-book (5th or 6th century) it is written:ďAnd the Lord was wroth with Cain... He beat Cainís face with hail, which blackened like coal, and thus he remained with a black face".[19]

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#25908 May 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes!
I do know what you meant when you said you would KILL JESUS CHRIST YOURSELF for teaching doctrines you disapprove of.
Maybe you are part of the KKK, or Hitler's clan.
You shouldn't be listening to those voices in your head. They are lying to you.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#25909 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
No you didn't
All you did was copy English translations of the Bible.
None of your comments related to "OWTH" but instead related to the English "Mark"
I broke it down and here you are hoping to sneak your lie by.
Get your BUTT BACK OVER HERE:
"My source was a Jewish source for where OWTH is used in the OT."
NO IT WAS NOT
YOU DID NOT SHOW SOURCES OF OWTH, YOU QUOTED PASSAGES WITH THE ENGLISH WORD MARK!
<quoted text>
You just never do any homework dude, it's why your own logic fails you so much and so often.
Please remember, they got their information from Jewish sources.
http://www.topraise.net/pages/torah/burden-bl...
Our Father says He gave the sons of Israel His "Sabbath sign" that they might know that it is He who sanctifies them, and, that they are to "keep," even to, "hallow His Sabbaths" (Ezekiel 20:12,20).

A "sign" is an "owth," meaning, "a signal (literally or figuratively), a flag, beacon, monument, evidence, a mark, an ensign, a token."2 Also, to be "sanctified" is to be "consecrated, dedicated," to be "set apart," here meaning for our Father in Heaven.
....
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebre...
....
http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/hwview.cgi...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#25910 May 23, 2013
StupidLovesScoffing wrote:
<quoted text>
You make a lot of noise sounding stupid. You know exactly who in history believed Cain was black.
LiberalPedia even has some of the story so you're just acting stupid again like every time I come by and see you agitating about having never heard of Cain being black before.
You can't argue with 1500 years and more, really, so you argue on the internet with strangers.
From LiberalPedia,
"Early church exegesis
In Syriac Christianity, early exegesis of the "curse" and the "mark", associated the curse of Cain with black skin.[18]
Some argue that this may have originated from RABBINIC TEXTS, which interpreted a passage in the Book of Genesis ("And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell" (Gen. 4:5), suggesting that Cain underwent a permanent change in skin color.
In an Eastern Christian (Armenian) Adam-book (5th or 6th century) it is written:ďAnd the Lord was wroth with Cain... He beat Cainís face with hail, which blackened like coal, and thus he remained with a black face".[19]
Osirica, just so you know, this is sportmouses alter ego. She changes names when she changes personalities. Now she justifing Mormonism being racists by using the examples of others. The "if they did it, we can do it to" mentality. Or the "they did it also" mentality. As if one group being wrong makes it OK for anyone else to be just as wrong. Welcome to the Twilight Zone.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#25911 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
That would be, except that is not what I believe.
God is a spirit, not a physical person from any part of Earth.
I've said that to you a million times.
So you lie below... AGAIN.
Your other statements about God making Adam and Eve and then cursing other colors?
Also a lie, I've never talked about others being "false colors" of God. How can any skin color be a "true" color of god in the first place? God is a spirit, not a physical being.
I've explained this to you MULTIPLE TIMES
<quoted text>
Nooo....in the long ago past conversations with me you stated if God had form and colour he was a black African because that is who he created first of the human family, black Africans. So it was no lie because that statement was made by you on the basis of 'what if' God had form and colour.
And you did state that all other colours came as an 'afterthought' from God. The fact is you stated black people became different colours by different situations and if it was from being cursed or environment or whatever it wasn't your concern. Your concern was Adam and Eve and all their descendants were black Africans.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#25912 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
Nope.
None of that garbage below is what I teach or believe. I believe that Adam/Eve were black because they were created in Africa, and in an environment that is appropriate for darkerskinned people.
There is nothing racist about that. If they were created in the cold mountains, I'd accept that they were white. But that's not the case.
Also, I don't try to push an agenda that whites (the white race) came from a mark and curse on Cain.
<quoted text>
Fricking racist liar. All things are black and African to you. You have went out of your way to prove all of humanity is actually black and African and are too stupid to understand it. You claimed whites came from a rare genetic flaw that caused white skin. If whites were really black Africans and they were turned white that is a curse from having their skin turned a different colour than what you claim God gave to humans in the beginning. According to your information every varying skin colour is a curse because none of them are their true black African colour.
So tell me, when do we all return to being black Africans again in the afterlife hmmm?
StupidLovesScoff ing

Live Oak, CA

#25913 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
I suggest it because the evidence supports it more than any other color.
Where do you get your "cain was marked with black skin" from?
Bible historians? You mean those in the 15th - 19th centuries, clouded by their own European racism?
Or you mean the one Syrian guy that talked about Cain's face?
Or maybe you're talking about the Muslims... or maybe the Talmud?
You really put your trust in their prejudice huh?
<quoted text>
Everybody's "that guy" to you. It's all just "a guy."

That's the problem with the stupid: perspective is non existent.

Your problem is the same problem every black person has :

black people do your thinking for you.

The Egyptians: blacks,
enslaved the children of Israel.

Cain, who wanted to rule over his brother,
was cast out of his brethren's company through instruction from God: historical law coming from Him necessitates people being separated out from the tribe for MANY reasons, crime being one.

Cain, who was afraid because he thought he might be killed, was given a mark. It had to make his life easier somehow.

Since at LEAST 2,000 years ago men believed being given dark skin and african features rather than asian ones were a good way to ensure he remained unable to re-admit himself among his tribesmen.

You know precisely why people believe Cain was given dark skin and african features: so he would fit into the group of people God wanted him to be among.

God knew Africans would have their histories fall to a persistent association with instability: with the earth not yielding up her strength to them when they sowed.

He knew he must make an example of Cain. He knew the upcoming history of the Africans.

Why would he not make Cain disseminate his seed, where troubles and instability would be an international trademark for eons?

And after you manic magpie your way past that, there's still the entire Syriac traditions and, there's the revelations to the Mormons from God.

They aren't Jews who believed Cain was black for 2,000 years.

They aren't Syriac Christians.

They aren't Muslims.

They had a revelation of their own, that said there was going to be a black skin and loathesome appearance attached to some people of a region where,

sure enough.

there were a lot of black people found living who, to this day, dwell in atrocious ghetto countries ruled by violence and pure evil.

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