Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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sportxmouse

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#25874 May 23, 2013
Surely you realize that if we commit a crime, and go to jail... our children suffer as a consequence too?

Don't you realize rewards and consequences?

sportxmouse

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#25875 May 23, 2013
Osirica...

Are you a Christian? What faith do you believe in?

If you want to have an adult conversation you need to explain what your beliefs are.

I've asked you to explain why we are wrong. But, you say nothing. You don't explain so we don't understand.

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#25876 May 23, 2013
Whelp, it's time for your bweatin!

So WHAT I claim that Adam was from Africa and was black. SO WHAT.

Now, I provided evidence many times over regarding the Nile flowing from a high point where the garden itself would sustain life. One of the rivers flowing out of that would be the Nile (Pishon), and surrounds "the whole of the land of Ethiopia".

Secondly, science confirms that the earliest shared human ancestor of all humans is a black African.

http://www.stanford.edu/~harryg/protected/evo...

http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/Ancesto... (page 2 first paragraph)

Now in regards to CAIN,

No where do you make a case to start off with that Cain and his family "wasn't" black in the first place.

With all things being equal, why do you assume that he "turned" black?

I.E. what evidence do YOU have?
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, and you are claiming Adam was from Africa and was Black...
Eve came from Adam... so they were the same... then Cain from them
So, you produce that evidence to support your claim.

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#25877 May 23, 2013
Ok and there are millions of "marks" that could be visible on Cain. Nothing about changing his skin color would make sense, since there were likely others sharing the skin color.

It would be more reasonable, if you want to go the skin color route, to postulate that he was made into an albino.

yet you do not say that. But you still want to hold on to the notion of a skin color.

So what COLOR then do you suggest he was turned into?

And it didn't say god "blessed" cain. It said God made an OATH with Cain that no one would kill him. The "oath" is your "mark". Don't you GET IT?

God made a promise with Cain that no one would kill him... the phrase wasn't meant to be understood that God would change him physically, but merely that God would just do whatever is necessary to protect him.

But even if I am not right about that interpretation, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to suggest he was "turned" into "a black man".

1. He could have been black to start off with.
2. Why black skin?
3. Doesn't relate to black people through the ages.
sportxmouse wrote:
First, I never said...
"Why are you pushing the notion that blacks could have been or might have been cursed by Cain?"
I said God put a mark on Cain to set him apart so that he would not be killed. So, others could identify him.
The Bible says... Thou shalt not KILL... Cain cursed himself when he killed his brother Able out of spite and jealousy.
I don't believe God blessed Cain by making an "Oath" with him and said Cain you have special privileges for sinning.

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#25878 May 23, 2013
UM NO.

That's NOT what happens.

That's not how it works.

It was with Adam and Eve and in some instances, but it does not work with God proclaiming "some" and not "others".
Even the curse on Canaan was proclaimed by NOAH, not GOD. And Jesus rebuked THAT!

JESUS ATONEMENT overshadows all of this nonsense you are teaching. In fact, the idea that only Jews can be priests in the Christian faith... that was WHOLLY rejected outright from the start of Christianity. Why the HECK would blacks be banned from it? No reason.

(and again, note how badly you want it to be true here! Not because you truly believe in this theory, but because you want it to apply to black people!)
sportxmouse wrote:
Surely you realize that if we commit a crime, and go to jail... our children suffer as a consequence too?
Don't you realize rewards and consequences?

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#25879 May 23, 2013
Owth is not a "skin color changing" concept.

So you want to sidestep this fact? Go right ahead. But like I said, you've collapsed.

I've explained why you are wrong clearly a dozen dozen times.

The entire thing did not come about being passed down from Jewish and early Christianity.

it came about from white slaveholders getting it from Spanish who got it from Muslims.
sportxmouse wrote:
Osirica...
Are you a Christian? What faith do you believe in?
If you want to have an adult conversation you need to explain what your beliefs are.
I've asked you to explain why we are wrong. But, you say nothing. You don't explain so we don't understand.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25880 May 23, 2013
The mark could have been a symbol on his forehead.

It could have been blonde hair.

It could have been some bird flying near him.

It could have been red hair.

It could have been a horn growing out of his head.

It could have been an extra arm or leg.

The POINT IS it could have been a million things.

Why you get the notion that the "owth" is black skin?
sportxmouse wrote:
First, I never said...
I said God put a mark on Cain to set him apart so that he would not be killed. So, others could identify him.
The Bible says... Thou shalt not KILL... Cain cursed himself when he killed his brother Able out of spite and jealousy.
I don't believe God blessed Cain by making an "Oath" with him and said Cain you have special privileges for sinning.

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#25881 May 23, 2013
Did you take 30 seconds to think about it?

Or are you still acting like a baby folding your arms going "I'm going to act like it's black skin until you prove to me where all the colors come from." then sway your body side to side like a brat?

Just sayin'
sportxmouse wrote:
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lol... now you show who are you.

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#25882 May 23, 2013
LOL I just realize what you're really trying to say.

Dude, the children "suffer" because the parent went to jail.

The children don't go to JAIL for the crime!

CAIN's CURSE was that the LAND would not YIELD FORTH it's STRENGTH.

Now whatever YOU want that to mean is fine, but you are NOT going to make that apply to black people and "not" everyone else.

How's THAT?!
sportxmouse wrote:
Surely you realize that if we commit a crime, and go to jail... our children suffer as a consequence too?
Don't you realize rewards and consequences?

sportxmouse

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#25883 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
The mark could have been a symbol on his forehead.
It could have been blonde hair.
It could have been some bird flying near him.
It could have been red hair.
It could have been a horn growing out of his head.
It could have been an extra arm or leg.
The POINT IS it could have been a million things.
Why you get the notion that the "owth" is black skin?
<quoted text>
Or, it could have been black skin...
that is why there are

dark skin people and
light skin people.

sportxmouse

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#25884 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
Did you take 30 seconds to think about it?
Or are you still acting like a baby folding your arms going "I'm going to act like it's black skin until you prove to me where all the colors come from." then sway your body side to side like a brat?
Just sayin'
<quoted text>
... that's hysterical, I love it!

sportxmouse

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#25885 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
LOL I just realize what you're really trying to say.
Dude, the children "suffer" because the parent went to jail.
The children don't go to JAIL for the crime!
CAIN's CURSE was that the LAND would not YIELD FORTH it's STRENGTH.
Now whatever YOU want that to mean is fine, but you are NOT going to make that apply to black people and "not" everyone else.
How's THAT?!
<quoted text>
DUDE... I'm not a DUDE!

First, if you would have taken 30 seconds to think about what I was saying...

you would have realized that the children to suffer when their parents go to jail... they go to adoption agencies... many end up in juvenile hall.

Now... Cains descendents would have suffered from being cast out, from the " LAND would not YIELD FORTH it's STRENGTH". Don't you think.

Consequences often affect other people... if you don't realize that then you are insane.

The same with Blessings... the often affect other people.

Just go on with your almighty blackness and stay stupid.

sportxmouse

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#25886 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
Right.
lets get this cleared up.
I showed evidence of white skin coming from the most recent mutation of a gene for skin color.
I do not consider this a curse.
But even without this gene, the issue here is this:
I used the same racist thinking they use... against them. Being hypocritical morons so obsessed with race, they attacked my reflective position against them. So either they are very stupid, or very obsessed with pushing their agenda.
There is no way God is any skin color.
There is no way that any skin color is truly better or more god like.
Skin color is, and the Hebrew writers saw it as, an irrelvancy in the biblical story and God's will.
Mormons try to get to that point, but because they won't renounce the teaching about the origins OF skin color (black people especially)
They are in effect with one hand agreeing that racism is wrong, while with the other hand holding on to racist beliefs.
proof? Look at sportxmouse asking me "where do the colors come from" and demanding I provide proof.
Well if the genetic marker isn't proof, then what is? It's not my fault all of they physical evidence points to whites being LAST.
And I don't view that as meaning that they are less. It all balances out.
But nothing about Cain and his curse has to do with any of this. And the Hebrew writers never implied otherwise.
That fact is what these Mormon racists have to truly accept. They may never know how the Hebrews understood the origin of skin colors, but there is no way one can say that CAIN was somehow believed to be involved in any of it.
The tower of Babble would be a far more sensible explanation!
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ahahaha... you're a joke!

You have showed nothing. You are speculating idiot... and you believe your speculations are evidence. Are you going to make a new translation of the Bible too?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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#25887 May 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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Nah, I don't think I will be departing anytime soon... I'm fully grown up... according to you I'm in my 60's.
lol... such an idiot.
A.C.C.U.S.A.R.
Being old doesn't mean you've grown up. It just means you're old. The maturity you demonstrate here is proof of that.

Proverbs 26:11-12 ESV
Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Plato [c. 400BC] says, "The old (wo)man then, as seems, will be twice a child.(from the Stromata, or Miscellanies, Book VI, Chapter II)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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Marysville, CA

#25888 May 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
ahahaha... you're a joke!
You have showed nothing. You are speculating idiot... and you believe your speculations are evidence. Are you going to make a new translation of the Bible too?
Proverbs 26:3-5 ESV

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the back of fools. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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#25889 May 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Or, it could have been black skin...
that is why there are
dark skin people and
light skin people.
Carol, the KKK laundry called, your sheets are ready.

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#25890 May 23, 2013
It could have been white skin...
that is why there are dark skin people and
lightskin people.
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Or, it could have been black skin...
that is why there are
dark skin people and
light skin people.

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#25891 May 23, 2013
Ok lets go at it again.

There is nothing that points to black people having ANYTHING to do with this. There is nothing that points to it any more or less than white people.

SO why do you suggest that it could be dark skin? And cain was not "cast out" of anywhere.

and there was nothing about his descendents being cast out or suffering, and even if they were, there is no relationship between them and any known race of people.

So where do you get the notion that dark skin has anything to do with this?
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
DUDE... I'm not a DUDE!
First, if you would have taken 30 seconds to think about what I was saying...
you would have realized that the children to suffer when their parents go to jail... they go to adoption agencies... many end up in juvenile hall.
Now... Cains descendents would have suffered from being cast out, from the " LAND would not YIELD FORTH it's STRENGTH". Don't you think.
Consequences often affect other people... if you don't realize that then you are insane.
The same with Blessings... the often affect other people.
Just go on with your almighty blackness and stay stupid.

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#25892 May 23, 2013
After saying this... Why do you call me a racist

Just explain it to me. How do you gravitate towards this down below, and then call me racist later when I say it's white skin?

Its as if you're convinced that "dark skin" is more likely and sensible than white skin...

How does that work?
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Or, it could have been black skin...
that is why there are
dark skin people and
light skin people.

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#25893 May 23, 2013
What I have to refute you

is stronger than

what you present

in the first place.

What do you have

that is evident

that the mark

is black skin?
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
ahahaha... you're a joke!
You have showed nothing. You are speculating idiot... and you believe your speculations are evidence. Are you going to make a new translation of the Bible too?

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