Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32096 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

Editor's note: Dean Obeidallah is an award-winning comedian who has appeared on TV shows such as Comedy Central's "Axis of Evil" special, ABC's "The View," CNN's "What the Week" and HLN's "The Joy Behar Show." He is executive producer of the annual New York Arab-American Comedy Festival and the Amman Stand Up Comedy Festival.

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“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25852 May 23, 2013
Now that I've fully established the fact that "owth" doesn't refer in ANY stretch of the imagination to cain's skin being turned to that of a black man...

Here is the next thing.

The racist is the one that would try to insist that Cain was marked and cursed in a way to be the progenator of any race or skin color.

The NON RACIST is the one that refutes the racist. My methods, you don't like, because they put the same garbage you regurgitate back on you.

So it's like this, you don't think it's racist to compare blacks to Cain... but when WHITES are compared, you call THAT racist.

And your excuse? I'm using science and the Bible together to make my point.

YET, the original thesis (cain marked with black skin, progenator of the black race) uses neither bible nor science. It just uses a biased and ignorant opinion, based on NOTHING else.

Obviously the person using some kind of evidence and sources is more objective.

The racist (you) try to reinterpret other areas of the Bible to somehow make a link supporting the biased opinion.

You are in effect defending a racist biased opinion.
No Surprise wrote:
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You are a racist. You're a black racist. Everything Biblical to you is black and African in origin from all the people to the present day Jews that are black by genetics but according to you don't realize it. You stated if God had a colour it was black. That a black God obviously created a black race of Africans like himself. And he began with Adam and Eve. And everyone was black and African to way past Abraham and Moses. You stated all other colours and races were 'mistakes' and somehow weren't born to be their real true selves, black Africans.
You're thee most self defined racist that bounces about these threads that exists.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25853 May 23, 2013
This is the screwed up post that did you in.

This is where you collapsed
No Surprise wrote:
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"OWTH is only used in KJV to translate as a mark in THAT passage."
You do see why I took your sentence to mean what it said? Thankyou for the clarification :)
Passages using "mark" from the word 'owth' in the KJV...
Genesis 4:15
And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
Ruth 3:4
And it shall be, when he lieth down, that thou shalt mark the place where he shall lie, and thou shalt go in, and uncover his feet, and lay thee down; and he will tell thee what thou shalt do.
1 Samuel 1:12
And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the Lord, that Eli marked her mouth.
1 Samuel 20:20
And I will shoot three arrows on the side thereof, as though I shot at a mark.
godmegur

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#25854 May 23, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
Get real Mormons are not,,and I say

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25855 May 23, 2013
LOL Go back to Mormon Central and have a thinktank brainstorming session.

Figure out how to get past "OWTH".

Maybe in a couple of years, the LDS site will have their updated notes and a new edition of their Book of Mormon.

Keep in mind the translation of the Bible has not been necessary to change.

Muahahahah!!!

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#25856 May 23, 2013
You got iced.
No Surprise wrote:
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You are a racist. You're a black racist. Everything Biblical to you is black and African in origin from all the people to the present day Jews that are black by genetics but according to you don't realize it. You stated if God had a colour it was black. That a black God obviously created a black race of Africans like himself. And he began with Adam and Eve. And everyone was black and African to way past Abraham and Moses. You stated all other colours and races were 'mistakes' and somehow weren't born to be their real true selves, black Africans.
You're thee most self defined racist that bounces about these threads that exists.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25857 May 23, 2013
I DONT NEED AN ANSWER.

You're the race obsessed BUFFOON trying to force black people to come from CAIN... and all because you don't "HAVE AN ANSWER"?

THATS YOUR LOGIC?

GET THE FFFFF OUT OF HERE!

IF you're GOING to go there, then push the notion that WHITES came from Cain then! Why don't you do THAT? Oh "THAT" is racist? But not Blacks from cain? How is one racist and not the other?

Neither are accurate, neither are what the Hebrews were conveying!

My "bigoted" attitude:

CAIN and the Mark of CAIN has nothing to do with racial skin color and racial origins.

That is my "BIGOTED" attitude.

YA GOT ME!
sportxmouse wrote:
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I have asked you many times... where did they come from... and you have no answers.
I have asked you to provide your evidence to prove your claims...
YET YOU PROVIDE NOTHING...
because all you have is NOTHING, but your opinion and a bigoted attitude.
Oh, and let me guess it's all unfair for you right. Well we came down here... and we all have things we have to go through. You deal with that.

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#25858 May 23, 2013
I'm not the one making a claim about races of people coming from Cain. I don't need to provide an evidence that something "DIDNT" happen!

YOU ARE

YOU PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE!
sportxmouse wrote:
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YES it is. You have one side... poor me I'm black and the world is against me.
Grow up!
Put up or shut up... provide your evidence.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25859 May 23, 2013
Secondly,

I have not complained about "poor me".

I like being black, and most of the world is on my side. "the world"...

Haha... you dummy. You got it all backwards.

I know my origins, and I know I don't need to spit on another race by calling them "marked from Cain" to feel like I have answers in life.

You are passionately PASSIONATELY demanding I give YOU evidence of where skin colors come from, in order for you to NOT spit on blacks by linking them to Cain.

HILARIOUS

And any evidence I bring, which does not put whites on top, or first... you will call racist.

HAHA!!!

But if I put whites first in any evidence. You'll be like "oh ok".

This is why I prove that you do not believe in the racism because of the Mormon religious doctrine. But instead you hold on to the mormon doctrine because you're a racist f---tard!
sportxmouse wrote:
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YES it is. You have one side... poor me I'm black and the world is against me.
Grow up!
Put up or shut up... provide your evidence.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25860 May 23, 2013
Let us be objective here.

It is a tall claim to say that black people came from the mark of cain. And considering the racist implications, one that would do so without providing evidence would clearly be engaging in racist behavior.

It's entirely objective to say that no skin color race came from the mark of cain.

Clearly the one stating that any race or color came from Cain, would have to provide evidence.

That's just basic common sense.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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#25861 May 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Calling Dana a she? She's a he I believe. You might want to ask him to be sure.
Of the verse, you have an opinion like others. Nothing more, nothing less like others. Accept that fact :)
So what? It's a common mistake.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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#25862 May 23, 2013
Watch what happens when a Mormon starts thinking for themselves. Very honest video by an LDS Apologist, Kerry Shirts.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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Marysville, CA

#25863 May 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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A guy that's a black racist that believes God is a black African who created a black African Adam and Eve and who then in afterthought marked/cursed/created/made to be all other false colours of God for the rest of humans to be is going to call others white supremacists?? lolol....to fricking funny dude....really.
Again you lie. He doesn't think God is a man of any color.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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Marysville, CA

#25864 May 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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And, you are just dumb!
Well then, take your toys and lie, little baby. Let the grown ups talk.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25865 May 23, 2013
Happens to me too.

Dana check out the new thread I started off..

Now that they collapsed in here, I thought it would be good to establish a fortification on this issue on a new thread.

of course we will continue to beat them senseless in here... and of course they will come back around asking for more beating...

But a new thread to really taunt them...

Thought it be icing on the cake.
Dana Robertson wrote:
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So what? It's a common mistake.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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Marysville, CA

#25866 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
Nope.
None of that garbage below is what I teach or believe. I believe that Adam/Eve were black because they were created in Africa, and in an environment that is appropriate for darkerskinned people.
There is nothing racist about that. If they were created in the cold mountains, I'd accept that they were white. But that's not the case.
Also, I don't try to push an agenda that whites (the white race) came from a mark and curse on Cain.
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And you don't teach the white people are Satan's representatives on Earth. He always seems to forget that part of LDS teachings concerning people of color.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25867 May 23, 2013
Right.

lets get this cleared up.

I showed evidence of white skin coming from the most recent mutation of a gene for skin color.

I do not consider this a curse.

But even without this gene, the issue here is this:

I used the same racist thinking they use... against them. Being hypocritical morons so obsessed with race, they attacked my reflective position against them. So either they are very stupid, or very obsessed with pushing their agenda.

There is no way God is any skin color.
There is no way that any skin color is truly better or more god like.

Skin color is, and the Hebrew writers saw it as, an irrelvancy in the biblical story and God's will.

Mormons try to get to that point, but because they won't renounce the teaching about the origins OF skin color (black people especially)

They are in effect with one hand agreeing that racism is wrong, while with the other hand holding on to racist beliefs.

proof? Look at sportxmouse asking me "where do the colors come from" and demanding I provide proof.

Well if the genetic marker isn't proof, then what is? It's not my fault all of they physical evidence points to whites being LAST.

And I don't view that as meaning that they are less. It all balances out.

But nothing about Cain and his curse has to do with any of this. And the Hebrew writers never implied otherwise.

That fact is what these Mormon racists have to truly accept. They may never know how the Hebrews understood the origin of skin colors, but there is no way one can say that CAIN was somehow believed to be involved in any of it.

The tower of Babble would be a far more sensible explanation!
Dana Robertson wrote:
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And you don't teach the white people are Satan's representatives on Earth. He always seems to forget that part of LDS teachings concerning people of color.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25868 May 23, 2013
LOL they got "ICED"

I love that phrase. I just imagine them yapping and what not

Then I show something and go

Yea... you just got iced.
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Well then, take your toys and lie, little baby. Let the grown ups talk.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25869 May 23, 2013
Look, ya got iced.

It's been fun, you guys really really tried. And I know they always say that if you try really really hard you'll succeed.

But you've clearly seen that in reality that's not always the case.

But you go back home, pour yourself a glass of shut the f--- up juice...

Kick your heels up and just think to yourself for a moment...

"Why am I trying so hard to make a case that black people came from the mark of Cain? It's obvious some made up racist crap used to enslave them. Heck Osirica showed us it wasn't even taught in Biblical times... Why am I arguing against this?"

Just step back and really ask yourself. I know I knwo you come back with some post, you'll make some claim about what I said and act like you don't understand what is really going on. I get that.

You want to save face... I understand buddy. Maybe you can get me on a type-o or prove im a racist too...

That's all nice and fun.

But in the end, you just step back, just count to 30 slowly, give your brain a chance to think about it.

Why are you pushing the notion that blacks could have been or might have been cursed by Cain?

We know that "No Surprise" can't get past his racist mindset. He think's is plausible because there is nothing explicitly saying "we didn't" in the Bible. But you don't see him trying to reinterpret passages to prove that Cain's mark was a horn on his head do you?

So listen, the battle was won for us, and lost for you.

But you can still learn from this. Start by asking yourself why.

Give yourself the 30 seconds before you just blurt out something and don't be silly and say "you're doing it too" because you know I'm not...
sportxmouse wrote:
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And, you are just dumb!

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25870 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
Look, ya got iced.
It's been fun, you guys really really tried. And I know they always say that if you try really really hard you'll succeed.
But you've clearly seen that in reality that's not always the case.
But you go back home, pour yourself a glass of shut the f--- up juice...
Kick your heels up and just think to yourself for a moment...
"Why am I trying so hard to make a case that black people came from the mark of Cain? It's obvious some made up racist crap used to enslave them. Heck Osirica showed us it wasn't even taught in Biblical times... Why am I arguing against this?"
Just step back and really ask yourself. I know I knwo you come back with some post, you'll make some claim about what I said and act like you don't understand what is really going on. I get that.
You want to save face... I understand buddy. Maybe you can get me on a type-o or prove im a racist too...
That's all nice and fun.
But in the end, you just step back, just count to 30 slowly, give your brain a chance to think about it.
Why are you pushing the notion that blacks could have been or might have been cursed by Cain?
We know that "No Surprise" can't get past his racist mindset. He think's is plausible because there is nothing explicitly saying "we didn't" in the Bible. But you don't see him trying to reinterpret passages to prove that Cain's mark was a horn on his head do you?
So listen, the battle was won for us, and lost for you.
But you can still learn from this. Start by asking yourself why.
Give yourself the 30 seconds before you just blurt out something and don't be silly and say "you're doing it too" because you know I'm not...
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lol... now you show who are you.

sportxmouse

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#25871 May 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Well then, take your toys and lie, little baby. Let the grown ups talk.
Nah, I don't think I will be departing anytime soon... I'm fully grown up... according to you I'm in my 60's.

lol... such an idiot.

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