Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32099 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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#24578 Apr 29, 2013
osirica wrote:
Yes, that's right.
"You have and others from the religions mentioned have declared guesses to their skin colour."
Yes, and a guess is not a fact, is it Joseph Smith?
You have helped me disprove the Book of Mormon, yet again. You've also reminded people again that Mormonism is not Christianity.
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Every skin colour race on this earth 'guesses' at what God is period. Only the one's with racial intent demand others believe God is a specific colour just like their colour which you demand people believe.
Ignoramus, I never helped you to prove the BOM false. That lunacy is like stating I have helped you prove the Bible false. You can't prove either book false. A book of fiction is a book of fiction. Fiction can't be proved false ignoramus.

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#24579 Apr 29, 2013
osirica wrote:
You've been sitting here trying to make a point that the Bible never mentioned skin color. As if that means something.
Where you go on and on about me being racist, you forget. Before Smith there is no racial undersatnding in the Bible, nothing about skin color.
The Bible never mentions God having a skin colour. That's a fact. Not a single solitary time when differnt people saw God in the Bible in the flesh or in a vision did they ever declare his skin colour.
You have. You claimed God is black. That is the point I was making.
For a person to have an opinion that God is their skin colour is one thing.
To believe God is your skin colour and to teach people God is your skin colour not theirs, to demand a disbeliever to believe your proof that God is your colour, that's plain and simple prejudiced bigotry based on racism by colour.
..........
And this intelligent statement...lol
"Before Smith there is no racial undersatnding in the Bible, nothing about skin color."
You fricking self deluded liar! lol. Spanish/European Christianity taught a Biblical racial theory that black Africans were the cursed descendants of Cain and and through Ham's descendants they were made to be slaves! Christianty for over 500 years used that BIBLICAL RACIAL UNDERSTANDING to support their involvement in the slavery and slave trade of black Africans!
European Christians here in America for a century fostered that theory before Smith was ever born!
Fricking..."Before Smith there is no racial understanding in the Bible, nothing about skin color."...lol...boy do you ever try and prove some whoppers...you go dude...
PS, being racist doesn't pertain to just being against a skin colour. It also involves being against a specific ethnic background within one's race. Like when Jesus a Jew defined the non-Jew Samaritan woman a dog because she wasn't of his immediate race being a Jew.
Native Americans (not all Native Americans)are racists to each other because they believe one tribe based on name, language, and origin are better than the others. Not long ago they killed each other as the enemy and subjected each other in raids to slavery when captured. Their rank as a slave wasn't much better than the rank the tribe's dogs had.
People all over this earth of the same colour have been racists based on prejudice and bigotry because someone wasn't of their tribe/village.
Racial understanding existed before the compilation of the first Bible. People have been prejudicial bigoted racists of each other for thousands of years. Wake up and read some science/history dude.

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#24580 Apr 29, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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That's how I talk to fools.
No. Wrong. That's a small example of your 'intelligent thought out phrases' you have used in various ways for the last three years to a couple dozen posters.
And I didn't even include your more famous homosexual slurs you use to throw around.
That's how you talked in general to most anyone.

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#24581 Apr 29, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
More proof of what I speak.
More proof of what you said/speak/spoke? Really?

That was my summary from information nomo stated. I said...

"So the female that sets her daughter in danger to sexually ogling stalking Mormon missionaries comes out to have a say in something? And I assume you call that safe parenting? And you continue to subject your daughter to sexually ogling stalking Mormon missionaries in the land of Mormonism? Talking about perverted lunacy of thought...You admitted to taking your daughter from the frying pan to the fricking fire itself...and why am I not amazed..."

Yet you claim you said the same thing of nomo too? Interesting...:)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24582 Apr 29, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Every skin colour race on this earth 'guesses' at what God is period. Only the one's with racial intent demand others believe God is a specific colour just like their colour which you demand people believe.
Ignoramus, I never helped you to prove the BOM false. That lunacy is like stating I have helped you prove the Bible false. You can't prove either book false. A book of fiction is a book of fiction. Fiction can't be proved false ignoramus.
Since God isn't a man, he has no "skin color". The debate is pointless.

If you are declaring a book is fiction, you are declaring a book is false. There is no such thing as "true fiction."

Therefore you have declared it false. Now, who is the one you are calling "ignoramus?"

sportxmouse

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#24583 Apr 29, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Since God isn't a man, he has no "skin color". The debate is pointless.
If you are declaring a book is fiction, you are declaring a book is false. There is no such thing as "true fiction."
Therefore you have declared it false. Now, who is the one you are calling "ignoramus?"
If that were true than we would not have any "skin color" either...

because we were created in his own image...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24584 Apr 29, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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If that were true than we would not have any "skin color" either...
because we were created in his own image...
We know we are created in God's image because the Bible tells us so in Genesis 1:27 where we read, "And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." Now, this event happened before the fall of man, but we know that we are still in some sense created in the image of God because 1 Corinthians 11:7 reaffirms this fact. Also Genesis 9:6 imposes the death penalty because of the fact that man is made in the image of God. This would argue that the idea of being created in God's image still applies to us today.

The words "image" and "likeness" used in Genesis 1:26-27 express the idea of the whole man being created in this way. In some sense, both a man's material and immaterial aspects are included in this assessment. Now, we know that strictly speaking man's physical body is not patterned after the physical appearance of God. We are taught in John 4 that God is Spirit and does not reside in a physical body. However, this does not preclude the physical body being some part of the image of God. We exist currently as body and soul together. It is meaningless to talk of us a just a soul or just a body when we are alive on earth. Both are intricately intertwined to make you the person you are.

The body reflects God's image by first of all being one in substance. God as a trinity is one being, acting with as much unity as our soul acts with our body. Our bodies are living, and Paul emphasizes that we serve a living God, not one of gold or silver or stone (Act17:29). In fact he says that those idols cannot be God because it would take a living being to create us as living beings. This is a highly rational argument, and difficult to find objectionable.

Paul's ability to appeal to reason demonstrates another way that man is made in the image of God. God by His nature is a rational being. He operates by the laws of logic. He is not constrained by them because they are some kind of "higher force", but they are the natural outflow of His will; they are His nature. He is as much a rational being as He is a loving being. Because only man has the true capacity for rational thinking, he is in this way also made in God's image. Also, man is intelligent; aware of his surroundings and capable of changing them. He does not act on instinct, but should be able to control his natural drives for higher purposes.

God has given man free will, which likewise reflects God's image. Every man has the ability to choose for himself his actions. He is morally aware. Man understands that certain things are good and certain things are evil. Before the fall, Adam and Eve had no experiential knowledge of good and evil, but they most certainly understood that they should obey God's commands. If this were not so, God warning them about punishment if they disobeyed Him would have no meaning to them, and the fall could be viewed as entrapment on God's part. Adam most certainly did understand that disobeying the will of God was wrong, and there could be dire consequences to his actions. Although we now must struggle against our evil nature to obey God, we still have moral understanding and comprehension of good and evil.

Lastly, one of the ways the image of God manifests itself in man is that only man can be aware of God and is capable of fellowshipping with Him. This part of man was exercised freely in the Garden before the fall. All men still are able to comprehend God's existence, but none are able to fellowship with Him unless they have been born again in Christ. Obviously, the universality of religion shows that awareness of God and some need for a relationship with Him is common to man.

Read more: http://www.comereason.org/theo_issues/theo080...

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Marysville, CA

#24585 Apr 29, 2013
Another film by Twilight author has come and already gone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Host_%282013...

I just found out about it. Downloading it now to see if it is any good.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24586 Apr 29, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Such immaturity...
That book wasn't wrote to silence critics.
The book was written to give Mormons some help to tend to critics of Mormonism. Even Mormons on reviews of the book on the web admit it's a bit of a "Bible basher" in context.
That is so different from what I said, not!

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Marysville, CA

#24587 Apr 29, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Black skin, brown skin, tan skin, yellow skin, red skin, pink/ruddish skin. Those are racially different skin differences of modern humans.
racially - definition of racially by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/racially
ra·cial (r sh l) adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race or races,(skin colour in this instance).
You stated...
"Modern humans developed into modern humans in Africa, all the way through."
Did you mean...
"Modern humans originated and BEGAN their development in Africa".
Is that what you meant? What the heck is "...all the way through?" All the way through what?
Modern humans originated in Africa, began their development on the savannahs of Africa and then to caves for shelter where they began to make projectile points for hunting. Modern humans moved out of Africa and continued too mentally develope inventively outside of Africa and those inventions were taken back into Africa. Read some science!
You act as if different colors equal different species. It doesn't. No more then dogs of the same species being different colors does. No matter what the color a person is, we are of the same species.
You really hate the thought of having come from Africa, don't you?
David

Collierville, TN

#24588 Apr 29, 2013
You are right.

When Mormonism taught that God was white and those that want to be closer to God must have their skins white... you are right.... that had racial intent.

Thanks for proving again the BoM is false. After all, that skin color crap...

They didn't guess, they insisted that Jesus and god were white men.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Every skin colour race on this earth 'guesses' at what God is period. Only the one's with racial intent demand others believe God is a specific colour just like their colour which you demand people believe.
Ignoramus, I never helped you to prove the BOM false. That lunacy is like stating I have helped you prove the Bible false. You can't prove either book false. A book of fiction is a book of fiction. Fiction can't be proved false ignoramus.
David

Collierville, TN

#24589 Apr 29, 2013
DUMB DUMB...

Just handing me victory.

Mormon prophets and mormon scriptures insist that God and jesus was white. And no tht bullshit wasn't a metaphor.

Everything you've said about me and anyone else is magnificiently more true from that entire filthy Joseph Smith and all your "God is white" Mormon prophets.

All that crap that the Spanish Missionaries taught was entirely absorbed and regurgitated by Mormon Joseph Smith and his progeny.

So thank you AGAIN for proving that Mormonism is a bunch of fake racist garbage.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible never mentions God having a skin colour. That's a fact. Not a single solitary time when differnt people saw God in the Bible in the flesh or in a vision did they ever declare his skin colour.
You have. You claimed God is black. That is the point I was making.
For a person to have an opinion that God is their skin colour is one thing.
To believe God is your skin colour and to teach people God is your skin colour not theirs, to demand a disbeliever to believe your proof that God is your colour, that's plain and simple prejudiced bigotry based on racism by colour.
..........
And this intelligent statement...lol
"Before Smith there is no racial undersatnding in the Bible, nothing about skin color."
You fricking self deluded liar! lol. Spanish/European Christianity taught a Biblical racial theory that black Africans were the cursed descendants of Cain and and through Ham's descendants they were made to be slaves! Christianty for over 500 years used that BIBLICAL RACIAL UNDERSTANDING to support their involvement in the slavery and slave trade of black Africans!
European Christians here in America for a century fostered that theory before Smith was ever born!
Fricking..."Before Smith there is no racial understanding in the Bible, nothing about skin color."...lol...boy do you ever try and prove some whoppers...you go dude...
PS, being racist doesn't pertain to just being against a skin colour. It also involves being against a specific ethnic background within one's race. Like when Jesus a Jew defined the non-Jew Samaritan woman a dog because she wasn't of his immediate race being a Jew.
Native Americans (not all Native Americans)are racists to each other because they believe one tribe based on name, language, and origin are better than the others. Not long ago they killed each other as the enemy and subjected each other in raids to slavery when captured. Their rank as a slave wasn't much better than the rank the tribe's dogs had.
People all over this earth of the same colour have been racists based on prejudice and bigotry because someone wasn't of their tribe/village.
Racial understanding existed before the compilation of the first Bible. People have been prejudicial bigoted racists of each other for thousands of years. Wake up and read some science/history dude.
David

Collierville, TN

#24590 Apr 29, 2013
And Smith kept that lie a going and going...

Great JOB!
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Spanish/European Christianity taught a Biblical racial theory that black Africans were the cursed descendants of Cain and and through Ham's descendants they were made to be slaves! Christianty for over 500 years used that BIBLICAL RACIAL UNDERSTANDING to support their involvement in the slavery and slave trade of black Africans!
European Christians here in America for a century fostered that theory before Smith was ever born!
David

Collierville, TN

#24591 Apr 29, 2013
Why do people do that?

The "image" of God is not physical, because God is not physical. God is a spirit and the spiritual qualities are the image.

Why do you guys try to force the thing be physical?
sportxmouse wrote:
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If that were true than we would not have any "skin color" either...
because we were created in his own image...

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#24592 Apr 29, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
If that were true than we would not have any "skin color" either...
because we were created in his own image...
We?..in other words, only some of are. That's really sick.
David

Collierville, TN

#24593 Apr 29, 2013
Oh...

Tell me if you think this is evidence....

(2 Nephi 5:21)
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
There should be no pretending.
But, my question is what evidence are you relying on to obtain the skin color of Adam and Eve?

sportxmouse

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#24594 Apr 30, 2013
David wrote:
Oh...
Tell me if you think this is evidence....
(2 Nephi 5:21)
<quoted text>
And, how does that provide evidence as to what color Adam and Eve were?

That curse was after Adam and Eve's time.

Just like a tree...

A tree starts with a trunk...
then branches out...
and the branches obtain limbs...
and leaves...
and grows in a direction that does not affect the trunk.

See?

sportxmouse

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#24595 Apr 30, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
And, how does that provide evidence as to what color Adam and Eve were?
That curse was after Adam and Eve's time.
Just like a tree...
A tree starts with a trunk...
then branches out...
and the branches obtain limbs...
and leaves...
and grows in a direction that does not affect the trunk.
See?
A family is linked like the limbs of a tree.

To me color doesn't matter. This is just a radical argument that really has no ending.

But, the curse of the Laminates had no affect of the color of Adam and Eve.

sportxmouse

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#24596 Apr 30, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
We?..in other words, only some of are. That's really sick.
Putting words in my mouth... hahaha... good try,

You are still DuMB....

sportxmouse

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#24597 Apr 30, 2013
I believe the reason for certain things to come forth at certain times (and not before)...

is because of the acceptance of people.

Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon in 1830.

Slavery didn't stop until after that. The bigotry and hatred had nothing to do with the Church. God isn't racist he loves everyone.

Just like Sarai and Abraham... were told she would have a Baby. She gave up and didn't believe she would bare a child... but in time she did.

//

God didn't make people hate... people do, people did.

No argument is going to change the color of God, or you, or me... facts are facts.

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