Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24054 Apr 23, 2013
Mormon Belief: The Doctrine of the LDS Church
By:
Robert M. Bowman Jr.
Director of Research, Institute for Religious Research

What do Mormons believe? How different are their beliefs from those of the mainstream of Christianity?

Although the beliefs of individual Mormons vary (just as they do in any other religion), we can say something about what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a whole teaches.

Identifying the major teachings of the LDS Church is especially pertinent given its insistence that it is the only true Christian church on the earth today.

Furthermore, there is much confusion about what Mormons believe because the LDS Church uses Christian language (God, Christ, salvation, etc.) but with meanings that differ from traditional Christian understanding.

In this brief article we will summarize thirteen basic points of Mormon doctrine with some pertinent quotations from its scriptures, current curriculum manuals, and other recent authoritative statements.

All quotations can be found at the LDS Church’s official website, lds.org . The list of thirteen points below includes links to each part of the article where the point is explained and documented from LDS publications.

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concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24055 Apr 23, 2013
God the Father was once a man like us but is now God, our Heavenly Father.

In Mormon doctrine, God the Father was once a man like us—a mortal being—and became God by going through a process or progression that culminated in his becoming exalted to Godhood. He has a physical body and cannot in his own person be omnipresent (everywhere present). However, as God, he is omniscient (all-knowing) and omnipotent (all-powerful).

“As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be”(Lorenzo Snow, quoted in Presidents of the Church Student Manual [2003], 89; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith [2011], 71).

“When we lived with our Heavenly Father, He explained a plan for our progression. We could become like Him, an exalted being…. Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom…. Joseph Smith taught:‘It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God…. He was once a man like us…. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ did’”(Gospel Principles [2009], 275, 279).

“In the beginning (but not really the beginning—only a moment in the span of existence that is always), I learned of a plan of my Heavenly Father for me and my spirit brothers and sisters. Himself exalted and perfected and holy, our beloved Father wanted us to have a chance to follow his path”(Young Women Manual 1 [2002], Lesson 6).

http://mit.irr.org/mormon-belief-doctrine-of-...

This has never been Christian

contt...
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24056 Apr 23, 2013
Jesus Christ was the firstborn spirit son of our heavenly parents and is the literal elder spirit brother of all of their other spirit children, including Lucifer (Satan). He became a God in heaven before becoming a mortal man.

According to Mormon doctrine Jesus, all human beings, all angels, and Lucifer (Satan) and the demons were all spirit children of our Heavenly Father and heavenly mother. The relation of the Holy Ghost (their preferred term for the Holy Spirit) to this heavenly family is generally unstated. Jesus Christ was, before becoming a mortal on earth, Heavenly Father’s firstborn spirit son and was known as Jehovah, while Heavenly Father was known as Elohim.

“1. In the premortal life we were spirit children and lived with our heavenly parents (Hebrews 12:9). 2. Jesus was the firstborn spirit child of Heavenly Father (D&C 93:21) and is the older brother of our spirits. 3. Lucifer, who became Satan, was also a spirit child of Heavenly Father. 10. One-third of Heavenly Father’s spirit children chose to follow Lucifer, and they were all cast out of heaven. Lucifer became Satan, and the spirits who followed him became evil spirits, who try to get us to do wrong things”(Primary 7: New Testament [1997], 6).

“The firstborn spirit son of our Father was Jesus Christ. He was our Elder Brother. He became a member of the Godhead while he was in heaven, before he came to this earth”(Presidents of the Church: Teacher’s Manual [1996], lesson 1).

“Among the spirit children of Elohim, the first-born was and is Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors”(Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 355).

“Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers”(“I Have a Question,” Ensign, June 1986).

http://mit.irr.org/mormon-belief-doctrine-of-...

This has never been Christian belief either

Mormons are not Christians their doctrines tell us so.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24057 Apr 23, 2013
From "concerned in Egypt"
If you are seeking prejudiced biased so called truth about the LDS, the Mormon Sect then keep reading. I love prejudicial biased information about Mormons. It's great stuff! See, I don't have the mental capacity to read actual Mormon history/doctrine to make a sound opinion from, that's a waste of my time, know what I mean?
If you want access to verifiable prejudiced biased footnoted sources that you can verify yourself
Then these sites below are for you as all document their assertions with twisted corrupted EVIDENCE Biblical Historical and all are verifiable as prejudiced and biased in heavy overtones. The reason for this is because it's no fun to state actual information that isn't fit to prejudicial biased viewpoints. Don't you agree?
Because the Truth Matters not as long as I and my buds can have something negative to say even if it's a lie, we like to be agitators for God. So even if we lie to prove an irrational point, we have Gods approval to be his liars because lying for our opinions is a matter of truth to us. Understand?
Sometimes it appears, I did say 'appear' vial name callers who are solely here posting on this thread with the direct intent to clutter the pages of this thread so real honest debate cannot take place appears to be ourselves. But that's just a matter of appearance and is just a figment of your imagination, know what I mean?
I mean take the statement by the Smithsonian made in 1980 that they have never used the BOM for information and that what it contains hasn't been proved to exist. That statement was made in 1980. Thirty-three years have passed since that statement. If I was to look at any evidence science has found out about America in the last 33 years, I wouldn't be able to reference what thhe Smithsonian claimed 33 years ago. See my train of thinking? Isn't it devious in a godly way? I think so :)
http://mit.irr.org/category/mormonism-and-chr...
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/d...
http://www.mrm.org/
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
http://www.utlm.org/
http://irr.org/
http://carm.org/
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/search/colle...
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/index.h...
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24058 Apr 23, 2013
As you can read for yourself in the past weeks If I post my own thoughts with the quotations the footnotes from LDS sources the two dumb dumbs here call me a bigot anti something and hater of all.

If I post links with footnotes and cut and paste quotations from well researched accredited websites the two dumb dumbs call me a bigot anti something and hater of all.

What you won't see form the two dumb dumbs is an intelligent discourse from them that articulates why their beliefs are right and mine wrong.

so I post again

If you are seeking truth about the LDS, the Mormon Sect then keep reading.
If you want access to verifiable footnoted sources that you can verify yourself
Then these sites below are for you as all document their assertions with EVIDENCE Biblical Historical and all are verifiable.
Because the Truth Matters not vial name callers who are solely here posting on this thread with the direct intent to clutter the pages of this thread so real honest debate cannot take place.

http://mit.irr.org/category/mormonism-and-chr...
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/d...
http://www.mrm.org/
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
http://www.utlm.org/
http://irr.org/
http://carm.org/
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/search/colle...
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/index.h...
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24059 Apr 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
From "concerned in Egypt"
If you are seeking prejudiced biased so called truth about the LDS, the Mormon Sect then keep reading. I love prejudicial biased information about Mormons. It's great stuff! See, I don't have the mental capacity to read actual Mormon history/doctrine to make a sound opinion from, that's a waste of my time, know what I mean?
If you want access to verifiable prejudiced biased footnoted sources that you can verify yourself
Then these sites below are for you as all document their assertions with twisted corrupted EVIDENCE Biblical Historical and all are verifiable as prejudiced and biased in heavy overtones. The reason for this is because it's no fun to state actual information that isn't fit to prejudicial biased viewpoints. Don't you agree?
Because the Truth Matters not as long as I and my buds can have something negative to say even if it's a lie, we like to be agitators for God. So even if we lie to prove an irrational point, we have Gods approval to be his liars because lying for our opinions is a matter of truth to us. Understand?
Sometimes it appears, I did say 'appear' vial name callers who are solely here posting on this thread with the direct intent to clutter the pages of this thread so real honest debate cannot take place appears to be ourselves. But that's just a matter of appearance and is just a figment of your imagination, know what I mean?
I mean take the statement by the Smithsonian made in 1980 that they have never used the BOM for information and that what it contains hasn't been proved to exist. That statement was made in 1980. Thirty-three years have passed since that statement. If I was to look at any evidence science has found out about America in the last 33 years, I wouldn't be able to reference what thhe Smithsonian claimed 33 years ago. See my train of thinking? Isn't it devious in a godly way? I think so :)
http://mit.irr.org/category/mormonism-and-chr...
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/d...
http://www.mrm.org/
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
http://www.utlm.org/
http://irr.org/
http://carm.org/
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/search/colle...
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/index.h...
To all reading alone case in point above.

This is the best dumb dumb can do.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24060 Apr 23, 2013
Mormons believe and teach the following

Mormon Belief: The Doctrine of the LDS Church
By:
Robert M. Bowman Jr.
Director of Research, Institute for Religious Research.

Jesus Christ organized this world with the help of others, under the direction of Heavenly Father and the Council of the Gods; his helpers included Adam and perhaps Joseph Smith.

The Mormon doctrine of creation is that a plurality of Gods organized the world. Specifically, the Father directed Jesus Christ (called Jehovah) to organize the world from preexisting material, with the help of some of his spirit brothers.

“And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth”(Abraham 4:1; see all of Abraham 4-5).

“God created the earth as an organized sphere; but He certainly did not create, in the sense of bringing into primal existence, the ultimate elements of the materials of which the earth consists, for ‘the elements are eternal’”(Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 355, quoting Doctrine and Covenants 93:33).

“Although it was the council of the Gods that supervised the Creation, numerous scriptures indicate that Jehovah, the premortal Jesus Christ, was actually given the responsibility for carrying out the work of the Creation, not for this earth alone but also for innumerable others….‘Our great prince, Michael, known in mortality as Adam, stands next to Christ in the eternal plan of salvation and progression…. In the creation of the earth, Michael played a part second only to that of Christ.’…‘It is true that Adam helped to form this earth. He labored with our Savior Jesus Christ. I have a strong view or conviction that there were others also who assisted them. Perhaps Noah and Enoch; and why not Joseph Smith, and those who were appointed to be rulers before the earth was formed?’”(Old Testament Student Manual: Genesis—2 Samuel [1980], 29, quoting Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., 491, and Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:74-75).

http://mit.irr.org/mormon-belief-doctrine-of-...

This is not Christian and proves again Mormons are not Christians
David

Collierville, TN

#24061 Apr 23, 2013
Your religion teaches polytheism, skin color racism, and teach that Jesus was not Yahweh...

And on top of that, your religion CLAIMS that was what the Jews and original Christians were teaching alllllllll along...

Give me a BREAK! All this yappety yap below doesn't change one iota these three Mormon absurdities!
No Surprise wrote:
From "concerned in Egypt"
If you are seeking prejudiced biased so called truth about the LDS, the Mormon Sect then keep reading. I love prejudicial biased information about Mormons. It's great stuff! See, I don't have the mental capacity to read actual Mormon history/doctrine to make a sound opinion from, that's a waste of my time, know what I mean?
If you want access to verifiable prejudiced biased footnoted sources that you can verify yourself
Then these sites below are for you as all document their assertions with twisted corrupted EVIDENCE Biblical Historical and all are verifiable as prejudiced and biased in heavy overtones. The reason for this is because it's no fun to state actual information that isn't fit to prejudicial biased viewpoints. Don't you agree?
Because the Truth Matters not as long as I and my buds can have something negative to say even if it's a lie, we like to be agitators for God. So even if we lie to prove an irrational point, we have Gods approval to be his liars because lying for our opinions is a matter of truth to us. Understand?
Sometimes it appears, I did say 'appear' vial name callers who are solely here posting on this thread with the direct intent to clutter the pages of this thread so real honest debate cannot take place appears to be ourselves. But that's just a matter of appearance and is just a figment of your imagination, know what I mean?
I mean take the statement by the Smithsonian made in 1980 that they have never used the BOM for information and that what it contains hasn't been proved to exist. That statement was made in 1980. Thirty-three years have passed since that statement. If I was to look at any evidence science has found out about America in the last 33 years, I wouldn't be able to reference what thhe Smithsonian claimed 33 years ago. See my train of thinking? Isn't it devious in a godly way? I think so :)
http://mit.irr.org/category/mormonism-and-chr...
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/d...
http://www.mrm.org/
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
http://www.utlm.org/
http://irr.org/
http://carm.org/
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/search/colle...
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/index.h...
David

Collierville, TN

#24062 Apr 23, 2013
Mormon Blasphemy... from Mormon doctrine, something no Jew nor Christian apostle taught!

" 'It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,' the inspired word continues,'and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.' The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same." (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.64, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
David

Collierville, TN

#24063 Apr 23, 2013
Lies and Blasphemy!

"God: Creator And Ruler Of Many Worlds.-- While it is true that evolutionists may be divided between theistic and atheistic groups, yet most of those professing belief in God consider him to be an indefinable force, essence, or power of an incomprehensible nature. According to revelation, however, he is a personal Being, a holy and exalted Man, a glorified, resurrected Personage having a tangible body of flesh and bones, an anthropomorphic Entity, the personal Father of the spirits of all men.(D. & C. 130:22- 23; Moses 6:51, 57; Abra. 3:22-24; Jos. Smith 2:16-19.)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24064 Apr 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
From "concerned in Egypt"
To all following this thread
I was just wondering are we to believe that the Christians in this thread believe that when they watch Golf on TV or hear about Golf on TV and and the commentator says he sliced the golf ball are we to believe Christians in this thread actually believe the Golfer pulled out a sharp tool and cut in half the ball like when someone slices a Turkey????
I was wondering when the Weatherman says it rained Cats and Dogs yesterday are we to believe the Christians really believe there are dead dogs and cats decomposing on the streets as they just fell to their deaths from Clouds 30000 feet in the Air???
I was wondering when God Says "And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment" do you really believe that the Christians believe God is going to execute judgement on creatures that are figments of Christian minds that have bodies of Men and a head of a Falcon whose name is Hort, or with a cat head named bastet or a jackals head named Anubus???
No only an insane Christian person would believe the above.
So it begs the Question are the Christians in this thread really that dumb and or insane or is their i real motive to try and sabotage this thread by filling it with nonsense.
Either way they are Evil because they try to suppress the Truth.
He is clearly demonstrating your logic. The insanity is yours.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24065 Apr 23, 2013
David wrote:
Mormon Blasphemy... from Mormon doctrine, something no Jew nor Christian apostle taught!
" 'It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,' the inspired word continues,'and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.' The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same." (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.64, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
Welcome to the debate, David!

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#24067 Apr 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
... By the way, if Christianity is wrong, that makes Mormonism even more so. LOL!!!
Wait...

So, you admit Mormon's ARE Christians... then discussion is over. That's what this thread is about. Are we Christians... we all agree, YES.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24068 Apr 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Welcome to the debate, David!
Don't you mean , Welcome "back," David (Oserious)?

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#24069 Apr 23, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you mean , Welcome "back," David (Oserious)?
Yup... that is exactly what he meant... even with the "!" behind the David! I was thinking the same thing...

:)
David

Collierville, TN

#24070 Apr 23, 2013
Nope.

There is a concept of what it means to be Christian.

If Mormons are Christian, then so are Muslims...

Muslims believe in Jesus too! Yaaaaaaay!
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait...
So, you admit Mormon's ARE Christians... then discussion is over. That's what this thread is about. Are we Christians... we all agree, YES.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24071 Apr 23, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you mean , Welcome "back," David (Oserious)?
Don't remember Oserious.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24072 Apr 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait...
So, you admit Mormon's ARE Christians... then discussion is over. That's what this thread is about. Are we Christians... we all agree, YES.
Put down the crack pipe, Carol. you'll never get your temple recommend back smoking that stuff.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24073 Apr 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Don't remember Oserious.
Do you remember Osiris?
David

Collierville, TN

#24074 Apr 23, 2013
Hey you guys having a trip down memory lane or you want to actually respond to a comment on the topic?

Osiris was probably putting your mormon theology away too, so good, thanks for the compliment. I hope to meet him sometime.

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