Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Earth

#23997 Apr 22, 2013
Because wrote:
Mormon's god was once a man.
Mormon's god lives in a distant galaxy and is flesh and blood.
Mormon's god had physical sex with Mary and their Jesus was conceived.
Lucifer and Jesus are blood brothers, according to Mormons.
Married couples,when they die, inhabit a planet and produce spiritual children.
They believe that man can become a god with good deeds.
That is just a few things Mormons believe, and that is a fact. Now, tell me that they are not a cult.
Ohh, I get this game!

Christianity's god has no beginning and no ending. But....
Christianity's god made itself from nothing to be something. That means it has a beginning Christianity deny's exists.
Christianity's god is sexless and formless yet it made parts of itself to exist on a planet with form and sex, bit of a contradiction there.
Christianity's god came to earth with a 'human defined' personality disorder of the worst kind ever known to humans. One god without form and sex took form and sex as a human and a bird. It prayed to itself, claimed one part of itself was greater in power than the other two and stated one part did nothing but what it saw the other part do. Yet in visions for special human followers in a place called heaven where there are strange beasts and buildings and roads of gold and all sorts of dead people with forms these people in the vision recognized, this god made sure to give two parts of it's personality forms to sit by each other on thrones. Quite an elaborate ruse most would think for a god that is formless and sexless.
Christianity also teaches that this god stated spirits were imprisoned to this earth we live on. Yet we haven't seen them or can talk and walk with them but that god stated they were here.
Have I missed anything? Can we say cult and far fetched imaginations? Hmmm? And you ridicule Mormons for their god and their imaginations? How hypocritical of you :)

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Earth

#23998 Apr 22, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
More evidence this guy is a lunatic, he not only claims he is a Christian but a different kind or form of Christian to what has always been believed is Christian historically for 2000 years he now argues against himself.
Even the Devil does do that.
You are the best you show all that if you are LDS most likely not as I know many very well and they would never post this crap you have become mute.
I ask you honor your word and stop posting to me
you should change your handle from No Surprise to I am a Hypocrite.
At least there would be some truth to you then.
Boringly pathetic. Have you no new lunacy to rant about that might intrigue me just a bit to make a response? Hmmm? Why do you throw out the same crap day after day after day? Is your mentality for thinking that stale? Hmmm?

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Earth

#23999 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I thank you and No Surprise for continuing to make my point.
...and that point would be? You mean your point that it's okay for you to take people's information and paste it and attack it and ridicule it but God forbid if they do anything of the same to you? You mean that hypocritical pathetic common point you make over and over from your self righteous thinking? Is that the point you meant?

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#24000 Apr 22, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
Smithsonian Institution Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon
Some Latter-day Saints, in their zeal to give tangible authenticity to the Book of Mormon, have told prospective converts that the Smithsonian Institution has used the Book of Mormon to verify sites in the New World.
cut for space see http://www.mrm.org/smithsonian for the rest.
Information from the National Museum of Natural History Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C. 20560
Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon
1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archaeologists see no direct connection between the archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.
2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia. Archaeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World -- probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age -- in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.
3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.
4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations, if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times.
5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked used (sic) in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.
6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asia and the Near East.
7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archaeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archaeological remains in Mexico and archaeological remains in Egypt.
8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books.
9. There are copies of the Book of Mormon in the library of the National Museum, of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution.
As you can see they lied
Now this was an actual, civil post. But only because you didn't add any of your usual crap talk to it. Nice job :)
I'm curious why you think the Smithsonian lied in their statements? I thought you were using their information to prove the BOM wrong?
You also realize this statement is 33 years old? You didn't think or wonder why in the last 33 years they haven't revised their former position again?
Because

Cornelia, GA

#24001 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohh, I get this game!
Christianity's god has no beginning and no ending. But....
Christianity's god made itself from nothing to be something. That means it has a beginning Christianity deny's exists.
Christianity's god is sexless and formless yet it made parts of itself to exist on a planet with form and sex, bit of a contradiction there.
Christianity's god came to earth with a 'human defined' personality disorder of the worst kind ever known to humans. One god without form and sex took form and sex as a human and a bird. It prayed to itself, claimed one part of itself was greater in power than the other two and stated one part did nothing but what it saw the other part do. Yet in visions for special human followers in a place called heaven where there are strange beasts and buildings and roads of gold and all sorts of dead people with forms these people in the vision recognized, this god made sure to give two parts of it's personality forms to sit by each other on thrones. Quite an elaborate ruse most would think for a god that is formless and sexless.
Christianity also teaches that this god stated spirits were imprisoned to this earth we live on. Yet we haven't seen them or can talk and walk with them but that god stated they were here.
Have I missed anything? Can we say cult and far fetched imaginations? Hmmm? And you ridicule Mormons for their god and their imaginations? How hypocritical of you :)
It's hard for me to argue with a crazy. Of course you have to be a loon to believe a religion started by a man involved in the acult. So, enjoy your man made baloney. You have made Satan very happy.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24002 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Now this was an actual, civil post. But only because you didn't add any of your usual crap talk to it. Nice job :)
I'm curious why you think the Smithsonian lied in their statements? I thought you were using their information to prove the BOM wrong?
You also realize this statement is 33 years old? You didn't think or wonder why in the last 33 years they haven't revised their former position again?
Every true LDS must be saying to themselves this No Suprise is and Idiot.

It has not been revised because no new evidence has come to show they need to change their postion.

I said they lied because some LDS have.

Again your reading skills are poor at best

Mormons, have told prospective converts that the Smithsonian Institution has used the Book of Mormon to verify sites in the New World.

again as you can see the Smithsonian does not and has not and LdS who have claimed such in the past lied.

I see that you have troubling reading a very simple post in is no suprise you get the bible wrong and well everything else.

Again what happened to you no posting to me anymore you did not even make it an hour?
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24003 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohh, I get this game!
Christianity's god has no beginning and no ending. But....
Christianity's god made itself from nothing to be something. That means it has a beginning Christianity deny's exists.
...cut because the rest is crazy talk......
First line Truth "Christianity's god has no beginning and no ending"

But like the dumb dumb you are your next line contradicts your first line.
"Christianity's god made itself from nothing to be something"

If you have no beginning and you have always existed as the Christian God has revealed himself in the Bible to be you don't have to make yourself as you state in your next sentence as you already exist.

Your logic goes like this.

A=always existed
A= has not always existed and needed to create itself.

You have said the following equivlant

I am a male
I am a female

YOU are and Idiot.

But hey
you have also said I am Christian
and I am not Christian

Again you are an idiot please stop posting seek help from medical doctors

I will help you out I have just stopped posting to you.

When I do something its for real dumb dumb Bye bye

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24004 Apr 22, 2013
"concerned in Egypt" wrote...
I deny that there are many many gods (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 163).
From the Bible which you deny...
Exodus 12:12
And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.
Exodus 15:11
Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?
Exodus 18:11
Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods.
Exodus 20:3, 5
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
Exodus 22:20-28
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.(v.20)
Thou shalt not revile the gods.(v.28)
Exodus 23:13-32
Make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.(v.13)
..
I deny that we were all born in the pre-existence (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 218; Articles of Faith, p. 174).
From the Bible you deny...
Other Translations of Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the bellie, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the wombe, I sanctified thee, and I ordeined thee a Prophet vnto the nations.
- King James Version (1611)- Compare to scan of original Jeremiah chapter 1
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
- New American Standard Version (1995)
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.
- American Standard Version (1901)
Before you were formed in the body of your mother I had knowledge of you, and before your birth I made you holy; I have given you the work of being a prophet to the nations.
- Basic English Bible
..
I deny that Satan is my spirit brother (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
Than you deny the Bible and that God created all things, living and nonliving. You call God a liar because he created EVERYTHING including satan. Satan is a spirit. You are a spirit. God is the Father of you and Satan. You accepted God and Satan rejected God. But Satan is your spiritual brother nonetheless.
Genesis 1:1:“In the beginning God (Hebrew,“Elohiym” pleural, literally “Gods”) created the Heavens and the Earth.”
John 1:1-4:“In the beginning was the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.”
..
I deny that I have the potential of becoming a god (Articles of Faith, p. 424).
You deny the Bible and God...
Psalm 82:6 I said,“You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
John 10:34 Jesus answered them,“Is it not written in your Law, I said, you are gods’?
..
I deny that good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, p. 81, 92).
You deny the Bible and God..
John 14:12
New International Version (©2011)
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father.
..
I deny that my own blood must atone for any of my sins (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).
You deny the very words of Jesus concerning this sin in which he mentioned no forgiveness for in this life and required a person's life/blood for their sin...
Matthew 18:6 "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
..
The truth matters to you only when it counts for you as you define truth. You know not real truth.

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Earth

#24006 Apr 22, 2013
Because wrote:
<quoted text>It's hard for me to argue with a crazy. Of course you have to be a loon to believe a religion started by a man involved in the acult. So, enjoy your man made baloney. You have made Satan very happy.
lol....speaking of man made baloney...the following are teachings/products of the modern Christian mind. So if they sound crazy, it's a Christian crazy, not my crazy! lol.

Christianity's god has no beginning and no ending. But....
Christianity's god made itself from nothing to be something. That means it has a beginning Christianity deny's exists.
Christianity's god is sexless and formless yet it made parts of itself to exist on a planet with form and sex, bit of a contradiction there.
Christianity's god came to earth with a 'human defined' personality disorder of the worst kind ever known to humans. One god without form and sex took form and sex as a human and a bird. It prayed to itself, claimed one part of itself was greater in power than the other two and stated one part did nothing but what it saw the other part do. Yet in visions for special human followers in a place called heaven where there are strange beasts and buildings and roads of gold and all sorts of dead people with forms these people in the vision recognized, this god made sure to give two parts of it's personality forms to sit by each other on thrones. Quite an elaborate ruse most would think for a god that is formless and sexless.
Christianity also teaches that this god stated spirits were imprisoned to this earth we live on. Yet we haven't seen them or can talk and walk with them but that god stated they were here.
Have I missed anything? Can we say cult and far fetched imaginations? Hmmm? And you ridicule Mormons for their god and their imaginations? How hypocritical of you :)
Father overtime

Salt Lake City, UT

#24007 Apr 22, 2013
Let the peeps that worship a schizophrenia god make fun of Mormons. It's ok. They want to be Christian, but they don't know what it means. I submit that Dana, CIE, NoMo, and all the other Mormon haters turned from truth and can't leave it alone to justify selfish desires.

So sad that truth matters.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24008 Apr 22, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Every true LDS must be saying to themselves this No Suprise is and Idiot.
It has not been revised because no new evidence has come to show they need to change their postion.
Again what happened to you no posting to me anymore you did not even make it an hour?
I never said I would never post to you. I said I liked to respond to civil intelligent posts. You do have your civil, intelligent posts in between the many pathetic rants you post. Understand?
Most true LDS understand that science has made a lot of discoveries since 1980.
Only uninformed idiots lacking a want to know about current scientific events from 1980 to 2013 are the idiots who think information stated 33 years ago would be relevant today minus the 33 years that have transpired since 1980.
The Smithsonian has been behind many of the digs that have brought forth new information because they financed these scientific digs and explorations in the last 33 years.
Do some current reading and get educated please?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24009 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
...and that point would be? You mean your point that it's okay for you to take people's information and paste it and attack it and ridicule it but God forbid if they do anything of the same to you? You mean that hypocritical pathetic common point you make over and over from your self righteous thinking? Is that the point you meant?
The fact that you and Carol don't even get it makes my point you are both mentally ill.
Have you gotten my point yet, or do you want me to use smaller words?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24010 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol....speaking of man made baloney...the following are teachings/products of the modern Christian mind. So if they sound crazy, it's a Christian crazy, not my crazy! lol.
Christianity's god has no beginning and no ending. But....
Christianity's god made itself from nothing to be something. That means it has a beginning Christianity deny's exists.
Christianity's god is sexless and formless yet it made parts of itself to exist on a planet with form and sex, bit of a contradiction there.
Christianity's god came to earth with a 'human defined' personality disorder of the worst kind ever known to humans. One god without form and sex took form and sex as a human and a bird. It prayed to itself, claimed one part of itself was greater in power than the other two and stated one part did nothing but what it saw the other part do. Yet in visions for special human followers in a place called heaven where there are strange beasts and buildings and roads of gold and all sorts of dead people with forms these people in the vision recognized, this god made sure to give two parts of it's personality forms to sit by each other on thrones. Quite an elaborate ruse most would think for a god that is formless and sexless.
Christianity also teaches that this god stated spirits were imprisoned to this earth we live on. Yet we haven't seen them or can talk and walk with them but that god stated they were here.
Have I missed anything? Can we say cult and far fetched imaginations? Hmmm? And you ridicule Mormons for their god and their imaginations? How hypocritical of you :)
Men evolving into God's by following rules makes so much more sense. God caring where Smith sticks his penis is another one. LOL!!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24011 Apr 22, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
Let the peeps that worship a schizophrenia god make fun of Mormons. It's ok. They want to be Christian, but they don't know what it means. I submit that Dana, CIE, NoMo, and all the other Mormon haters turned from truth and can't leave it alone to justify selfish desires.
So sad that truth matters.
Yes, a racists, incesterous, horny God is so much better! LOL!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24012 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
"concerned in Egypt" wrote...
I deny that there are many many gods (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 163).
From the Bible which you deny...
Exodus 12:12
And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.
Exodus 15:11
Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?
Exodus 18:11
Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods.
Exodus 20:3, 5
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
Exodus 22:20-28
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.(v.20)
Thou shalt not revile the gods.(v.28)
Exodus 23:13-32
Make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.(v.13)
Anybody with a second grade edumacation would understand the reason of those verses, that is because there is only one real God. The rest were man made. Never met anyone who could intentionally screw up scripture like you do.
Good work! LOL!!!

sportxmouse

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#24013 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Men evolving into God's by following rules makes so much more sense. God caring where Smith sticks his penis is another one. LOL!!!!
You are the one that is so concerned about that.

I haven't heard a word from God about him being concerned about that subject.

You are the sicko that fixates on genitals.

And, threatens to KILL Jesus Christ for teaching Moses Law.

sportxmouse

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#24014 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that you and Carol don't even get it makes my point you are both mentally ill.
Have you gotten my point yet, or do you want me to use smaller words?
Yea, you don't know anything about a person or a subject; so, you make things up and claim that to be evidence. We get it just fine:)

sportxmouse

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#24015 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, a racists, incesterous, horny God is so much better! LOL!!!
Dana, you know you're a sicko that goes around molesting and perverting the Gospel.

sportxmouse

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#24016 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, a racists, incesterous, horny God is so much better! LOL!!!
Dana,

Are you saying God is racist because people are different? Color, Gender, Hair Color, Race, etc

WOW... that's a new one. I am so appalled you would say that. There is one God the Father... you know that.

Leave it to you to speak about him the way you did.
YOU ARE A SICKO.

sportxmouse

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#24018 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Now this was an actual, civil post. But only because you didn't add any of your usual crap talk to it. Nice job :)
I'm curious why you think the Smithsonian lied in their statements? I thought you were using their information to prove the BOM wrong?
You also realize this statement is 33 years old? You didn't think or wonder why in the last 33 years they haven't revised their former position again?
lol.

The evidence they depend on is out-dated,
made up and portrayed as verifiable evidence,
or copy paste from anti-Mormon sites,

which none of their "evidence" can not be proven to be valid under these conditions.

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