Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#23967 Apr 21, 2013
In summation, Mormonism teaches that we had a pre-existence, that we are born here on earth, and that if we are good enough Mormons we can become gods and goddesses of our own worlds.

How Should Christians Respond?

The Christian should respond to Mormon teaching on eternal progression by first praying for the salvation of the Mormon people, and that they would be delivered from their false teaching. Second, even though they deny the sufficiency of the Bible, you must quote Scripture. Isaiah 55:11 says, "So shall My word be which goes forth from My mouth. It shall not return to Me empty, without accomplishing what I desire." You must trust the power of the word of God and tell it to the Mormons. The following Scriptures are worth presenting.

God was not exalted. He has always been God. "Before the mountains were born, or you gave birth to the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, you are God," (Psalm 90:2).
We cannot become gods.“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord,“And My servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me," (Isaiah 43:10).
There are no other gods. "‘Do not tremble and do not be afraid. Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none,’”(Isaiah 44:8).
The members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Mormons, have been seduced by the idea of becoming like God and having their own worlds. They fail to see that the prize in salvation is the Lord Jesus Christ and his presence, not self exaltation to a godlike state. So pray for the lost people of Mormonism, that God might grant them repentance that leads to the knowledge of the truth (2 Tim. 2:25).

Mormons are not Christians they believe the oldest lie the Evil has he used in the Garden and he uses it on Mormons to day that they can be like or equal with God.

For more Truth and the Complete Article goto

CARM
A Biblical Response to Mormons
http://carm.org/biblical-response-to-mormons

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23968 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're both mental ill stalkers.
ok...

So, I have a lot of kids,
I have no kids,
WRONG ON BOTH ACCOUNTS

My name is Carol
WRONG AGAIN

Both No Surprise and I are mentally ill stalker because we post on here
Hysterical... I Love it@!!!!!!
BUT YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN

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You are only here to create havoc...
YOU molest and pervert the gospel
YOU threaten to kill Jesus Christ because
you disagree with his teachings.

AND, YOU MAKE UP THESE LIES ABOUT ME AND WHOMEVER TELLS YOU THE TRUTH.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#23969 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
With your stalker mentality NoMo has good reason not to use her real name. Just look at what you and Carol have tried to pull on me. I, on the other hand, don't care what you find out, and post about me. It demonstrates the desperation of your position. It also shows the level of your mental illness.
As for my current photos of me, they are on Facebook, but I have them set to private settings so the assholes like you and Carol aren't stalking me on the street. My real friends can see them fine.
You're both sick puppies.
lol...really quite funny. Tried to pull on you? You stated... "So? I'm not hiding who I am, you are. You and Carol." Then you defend nomo for hiding her profile...you're such a fricking hypocrite!
You're the one that first got all personal about my profile and mouse's profile and our not revealing enough. You're the one that thought it well and good to post a woman and her family's info on topix you fricking hypocrite. You're the one that has attacked the info I have stated of myself.
So Mouse begins a hunt on you and your info and you do a whacko luny rant that you've been violated.
You now essentially claim the same thing again that you've been violated but you find it fine and well to violate other people's information as long as they don't do it to you?? You stupid, pathetic ignorant idiot. Fricking a little child in a man's body....man you have some real issues dude.
PS. I typed in your name and some extra words after words and many places you have been on the web for the last 10 years popped up. That ain't stalking, that's reading your web trail you have left for one and all to find you idiot.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23970 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
That's how Smith created the LDS church. Good quote, Carol.
You do no different than Hitler in these quotes you MORON!

YOU try to PUSH lies, to make them STICK. But, Jesus Christ is Lord and King... you can't win against him.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#23971 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're both mental ill stalkers.
lol...yeah right. And that comes from a dude that finds it well and good to attack/reveal anything he can about another person's information but if they go at your information, fricking *ell oh mighty their stalkers! Mentally ill stalkers but if Dana does the same thing he's not a mentally ill stalker. Just to fricking hypocritically funny dude...

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#23972 Apr 21, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
"LDS theology teaches the following as the process of become gods and goddesses in eternal progression.
We pre-exist as intelligences.
Intelligences move into "spirit form" through the process of procreation where god and his goddess wife, who have bodies of flesh and bones, produce spirit offspring.
The spirit offspring are then born in mortal bodies here on earth.
After death, we go to either paradise or spirit prison.
At the judgment, we then are assigned one of three levels of heaven (Tellestial, Terrestrial, Celestial) or we go to "outer darkness."
Godhood is attained by those Mormons who kept Celestial Law. The rest become angels in the other two levels of heaven.
The process of eternal progression continues as those who have become god and goddess then produce spirit offspring."
This is not Christian this is Occultism at its best
Cont...
10 Reasons Why Christianity Is Wrong
...common sense tells us that when someone claims the absurd almost anything is more likely to be the case (i.e. they are lying, they are delusional, they are relying on misinformation) than for the absurdity to be real. Men do not miraculously heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the blind, and rise from the grave. The claims of Christianity are prima facie absurd. The burden of proof is on them.
9. Jesus Has Not Returned: This, also, may seem a soft point. However, for 2000 years--80 generations--a substantial number of every single generation of Christians has whole-heartedly believed that Jesus' return was imminent. This often included exact dates that, when they came to pass, did not cause the believers to toss their erroneous ideologies aside. And this perennial incorrectness goes back to the beginning. One can only understand the earliest Christians--the generation immediately following Jesus' death--as a group who were expecting Jesus to return at any moment (I Thess 4:15-17). Why did they believe this? Because, on more than one occasion, Jesus unequivocally said so (Mark 9:1, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:30). Christians have proven to be resolutely imperturbable and incorrigible to their continued failures.
8. God Doesn't Care: Most people believe in God. And, when asked why they believe in God, the most common answer is taken from the argument from design: the universe is too ordered and beautiful to have arisen without an intelligence behind it. Whether or not this is true, this claim has little to do with Christianity. Christianity claims that God not only created the world but also takes an active part in its management, in our moral choices, and in our fates. In other words; He cares. It is this conception of God that bends credulity to the breaking point. God as essence--that is a "first cause" God or a "higher power" God--is a far less difficult concept than God as being. First of all, according to centuries old Christian dogma, God is immutable. In other words He is a static, non-changing "being" that cannot create new beliefs, make inferences, or adjust desires. Secondly the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent "being" having desires borders on the nonsensical. If all things are known--all that ever was, is, or will be--what would be the point of desiring anything? This is not just a simple word game. Christians consistently claim that God "wants" us to believe in him and follow his commandments. However, they also claim that he knows whether we will do so or not. So, what is the point of Him wanting anything? A God as essence is palatable. A God as being is not only ridiculous but likely impossible.(P.S. This one is for the non-predestinarians. If you are a predestinarian there are other reasons you are wrong: see below. However, most Christians are not predestinarians; although, if they care about consistency [not high on the list], they should be.)

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23973 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're both mental ill stalkers.
Just because you say something, does NOT make it true.

You make up lies and call it evidence.
To you there is no need for research you just make it up as you go, just like RC forgeries... and the Jesuits.

You are pathetic.
You are a liar.
You are an accuser.

Just like Satan!

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23974 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
That's how Smith created the LDS church. Good quote, Carol.
Joseph Smith was inspired by Heavenly Father's divine direction to translate the writings of the Nephites into English.

No matter how many times you stamp your feet, pitch a fit, kick and scream... it will never make your defiance and lies true.

You don't believe in research.
You don't believe in God.
You said you would kill Jesus Christ for his teachings.
You called Jesus Christ a Pig, a Retard,

You are not a servant of God.
You are Satan's advocate.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23976 Apr 22, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Joseph Smith was inspired by Heavenly Father's divine direction to translate the writings of the Nephites into English.
No matter how many times you stamp your feet, pitch a fit, kick and scream... it will never make your defiance and lies true.
You don't believe in research.
You don't believe in God.
You said you would kill Jesus Christ for his teachings.
You called Jesus Christ a Pig, a Retard,
You are not a servant of God.
You are Satan's advocate.
I thank you and No Surprise for continuing to make my point.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23977 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
10 Reasons Why Christianity Is Wrong
...common sense tells us that when someone claims the absurd almost anything is more likely to be the case (i.e. they are lying, they are delusional, they are relying on misinformation) than for the absurdity to be real. Men do not miraculously heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the blind, and rise from the grave. The claims of Christianity are prima facie absurd. The burden of proof is on them.
9. Jesus Has Not Returned: This, also, may seem a soft point. However, for 2000 years--80 generations--a substantial number of every single generation of Christians has whole-heartedly believed that Jesus' return was imminent. This often included exact dates that, when they came to pass, did not cause the believers to toss their erroneous ideologies aside. And this perennial incorrectness goes back to the beginning. One can only understand the earliest Christians--the generation immediately following Jesus' death--as a group who were expecting Jesus to return at any moment (I Thess 4:15-17). Why did they believe this? Because, on more than one occasion, Jesus unequivocally said so (Mark 9:1, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:30). Christians have proven to be resolutely imperturbable and incorrigible to their continued failures.
8. God Doesn't Care: Most people believe in God. And, when asked why they believe in God, the most common answer is taken from the argument from design: the universe is too ordered and beautiful to have arisen without an intelligence behind it. Whether or not this is true, this claim has little to do with Christianity. Christianity claims that God not only created the world but also takes an active part in its management, in our moral choices, and in our fates. In other words; He cares. It is this conception of God that bends credulity to the breaking point. God as essence--that is a "first cause" God or a "higher power" God--is a far less difficult concept than God as being. First of all, according to centuries old Christian dogma, God is immutable. In other words He is a static, non-changing "being" that cannot create new beliefs, make inferences, or adjust desires. Secondly the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent "being" having desires borders on the nonsensical. If all things are known--all that ever was, is, or will be--what would be the point of desiring anything? This is not just a simple word game. Christians consistently claim that God "wants" us to believe in him and follow his commandments. However, they also claim that he knows whether we will do so or not. So, what is the point of Him wanting anything? A God as essence is palatable. A God as being is not only ridiculous but likely impossible.(P.S. This one is for the non-predestinarians. If you are a predestinarian there are other reasons you are wrong: see below. However, most Christians are not predestinarians; although, if they care about consistency [not high on the list], they should be.)
You're trying to save Mormonism by proving Christianity is wrong? LOL!!!
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23978 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
Mormons are mormons believing in john smith and some man they call a modern day prophet. They bible does not mention this prophet at all. Nothing but a bunch of lies.
Its Joseph Smith and the Church is a restoration of the Original Church Jesus Christ set up while on the earth, with restored Priesthood authority, which was lost as prophesied many times in the Bible and would be restored in the latter days.
Yes we have the Book of Mormon, which goes hand and hand with the Bible to be a second witness of Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Redeemer. Kneel and ask God if the Church of Latter day Saints is the one and only true Church on the earth and see what happens... then find our missionaries and be taught truth.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23979 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
I do. They do not go by the bible nor does the bible mention mormonism it it. They have created a so called "extension" or another book of the bible calling it the book of mormon. Mormonism was created by a horny man wanting to screw more than one woman so he made it up saying GOD told him to do so. Women fell for it.
Its Joseph Smith and the Church is a restoration of the Original Church Jesus Christ set up while on the earth, with restored Priesthood authority, which was lost as prophesied many times in the Bible and would be restored in the latter days.
Yes we have the Book of Mormon, which goes hand and hand with the Bible to be a second witness of Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Redeemer. Kneel and ask God if the Church of Latter day Saints is the one and only true Church on the earth and see what happens... then find our missionaries and be taught truth.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23980 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
<quoted text>The bible does not mention to believe in the book of mormon. Why is that book not in the bible?
Because the Bible is a book of scripture from prophets and our Saviour in the Eastern hemisphere, the Book of Mormon is a book of prophets and our Saviour Jesus Christ from the western hemisphere, so the Bible prophets would not generally have known of the Book of Mormon..
But in Ezekiel 37:16 it says..."Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions" and verse 19 "Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand...
This is fact was a prophetic witness of these two sticks or books that would be one in our hand, so hence we have the Bible (Judah) and Book of Mormon (Joseph or Ephraim)today.
Do you really think God just had prophets write the Bible.. don't forget when the Catholics put the Bible together, they left out loads of records and also Doctrine which they didn't like.
Thankfully the Book of Mormon is a second witness of Jesus Christ, and confirms the Bible is scripture.
Have a read of the Book of Mormon, and then you will know what it talks about.
It was about a family whose Father Lehi was told to leave Jerusalem as it would soon be destroyed. They left Jerusalem 600 years before Christ came, and sailed to the Americas. They took with the the scriptures up to the prophet Jeremiah, so that they would be able to teach their children of God.
Over the years Lehi, and his son Nephi were called as prophets, and wrote down what happened in their life, just as Old testament prophets did, and the Book of Mormon became scripture what God told them to write.
Jospeh Smith had asked God in sincere prayer in a grove of trees which church to join.... he received a vision, that he saw Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ as two separate distinct beings, in human appearance... they told him not to join any Church. Joseph was later visited by an angel,who told him where some gold plates were deposited, which were the writings of these western prophets. He was able to translate the writing, using a urim and thummin. Thats how the Book of Mormon came about, and I tell you it is true scripture, and have revealed truths that were lost from the Bible which were left out by the Catholics. It is very inspired and I would encourage you to read it.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23981 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
Me. I say they are not Christians. If you believe in JESUS CHRIST then the buck stops there. NO need to believe in some modern day prophet. What can this prophet do for you that JESUS can't? Does this prophet have powers. To believe in anything other than GOD-JESUS/CHRIST-the bible....outside of those things everything else is wrong.
The Prophet, is God's mouth piece on the earth today.
If Jesus wants to give us a message.. say about stay away from pornography.. which was not such a problem in Jesus' day.. having no internet or iphone.. he will tell his prophet...
We don't worship our prophet, we worship heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, and follow the guidance which the Holy Ghost gives us.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23982 Apr 22, 2013
Mommy2Bof3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Who was Moses? Noah? Samuel? Elijah? Jonah? They were prophets. In the Bible. The Bible does mention prophets and revelation. It also claims that God is unchanging. The same yesterday, today, and forever. Well, He revealed His will to man in the past, He continues to do so now, and He will do so in the future. To claim that He HAS changed over time is calling God a liar.
We don't change anything the prophets of old said.. moreover our prophet today confirms what these inspired men said then
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23983 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
The buck stops with the bible....anything after the bible claiming to be the word of GOD is NOT.
Not true.. It's sad you don't realise that God still speaks to man today. He speaks to me through the Holy ghost following my prayers... etc...
God is not dead.. he lives today, and is just as active speaking to his people today as he was in Bible times... Don't put limits on God blessing us..
Doesn't he answer your prayers?
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23985 Apr 22, 2013
Kaylee Rae wrote:
<quoted text>
If God is unchanging, then why would he have to add something to the bible? That would be changing what he had originally.
Gods' word is unchanging, but what he said, can be said today albeit in different ways, without changing it's true meaning.. Its great to know that God is alive today, and speaks to us today.

He can speak to us today about how to deal with pornography, how to be tolerant of religions, how to keep the commandments when the world doesn't want you to... for instance most people only keep about 4 of the commandments

It's very shallow to think his words died at revelation.. He speaks today through living prophets and even through the whisperings of the Holy spirit..

You can know this too..
Because

Jefferson, GA

#23986 Apr 22, 2013
Mormon's god was once a man.
Mormon's god lives in a distant galaxy and is flesh and blood.
Mormon's god had physical sex with Mary and their Jesus was conceived.
Lucifer and Jesus are blood brothers, according to Mormons.
Married couples,when they die, inhabit a planet and produce spiritual children.
They believe that man can become a god with good deeds.

That is just a few things Mormons believe, and that is a fact. Now, tell me that they are not a cult.

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#23987 Apr 22, 2013
The facts about Mormonism, and it's human creator, are clearly obvious and easy to understand so, on Judgment Day, nobody will have any excuse for why they chose to put their faith in lies.(Satan is the Father of Lies).
(next post)

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#23988 Apr 22, 2013
Warnings: Godless ministers, priests, Mormons, televangelists, Jehovah’s...
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TQPFM8...

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