Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23888 Apr 21, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so you know as it appears you don't have a foot in reality.
This Threads premise is who says Mormons are not Christians.
So I am asking questions in a Mormon thread in the Topix forum desiganated for the Mormon Faith.
You have declared yourself to be a Christian.
I have asked you some questions regarding your statement that Jesus was our Spirit Brother in Heaven I did not bring this assertion to the this thread you DID.
I have asked questions because as it stands I can't find anywhere in what Mormons here have said is LDS scripture to justify such a belief.
As you have declared yourself a Mormon and as YOU have said you believe that Jesus is our older Brother for Father God and Mother God I have asked you to defend to show why you believe such a thing when it is clearly opposite to that which Christians have believed and No where in the Bible can this be found and in fact I have posted Biblical verses that declare the opposite to your assertion.
So I do not demand anything of you, it appers you are incapble of defending your Faith in any shape or form.
So I ask you again to answer my Questions, if you can't then you prove to all reading along that you have a fake faith, you are not Christian and well to say at as kindly as one can,
You are a dumb dumb.
Just Asking Just Saying
Because Truth Matters.
You haven't been here long, so you're not getting the irony here. Mr. "the Mormon church is perfect" here was excommunicated from the LDS church.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23889 Apr 21, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
When you comprehend this I can give possible answers to some of your questions.
I am not here to defend Mormonism. I have never been here to defend Mormonism.
I am here to explain it to those that don't understand it.
I will debate and argue religious and non-religious points of Mormon doctrine. But I will not be debating or arguing to prove Mormonism true.
Proof you smoke crack.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23890 Apr 21, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike you, I am happy others also believe in Christ. Mormons are Christian. And of your 1.6 billion, I would say 1 million actually live there religion. Just sayin.
That would still be 1 million more Christians than the LDS church has.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23891 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't know, don't care. A building is an indicator of nothing.
That is not correct.

Exodus 29:4-9
4 And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.
5 And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod:
6 And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
7 Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.
8 And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them.
9 And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest’s office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons.

//
Exodus 28:2-43
2 And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.

3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron’s garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.

4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.

5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.

6 ¶And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work.

7 It shall have the two shoulderpieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together.

8 And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.

9 And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:

10 Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.

11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in bouches of gold.

12 And thou shalt put the two stones upon the shoulders of the ephod for stones of memorial unto the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before the Lord upon his two shoulders for a memorial.

13 And thou shalt make ouches of gold;

14 And two chains of pure gold at the ends; of wreathen work shalt thou make them, and fasten the wreathen chains to the ouches.

15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.

16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.

17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.

18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.

19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.

20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#23892 Apr 21, 2013
21 And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.

22 ¶And thou shalt make upon the breastplate chains at the ends of wreathen work of pure gold.

23 And thou shalt make upon the breastplate two rings of gold, and shalt put the two rings on the two ends of the breastplate.

24 And thou shalt put the two wreathen chains of gold in the two rings which are on the ends of the breastplate.

25 And the other two ends of the two wreathen chains thou shalt fasten in the two ouches, and put them on the shoulderpieces of the ephod before it.

26 ¶And thou shalt make two rings of gold, and thou shalt put them upon the two ends of the breastplate in the border thereof, which is in the side of the ephod inward.

27 And two other rings of gold thou shalt make, and shalt put them on the two sides of the ephod underneath, toward the forepart thereof, over against the other coupling thereof, above the curious girdle of the ephod.

28 And they shall bind the breastplate by the rings thereof unto the rings of the ephod with a lace of blue, that it may be above the curious girdle of the ephod, and that the breastplate be not loosed from the ephod.

29 And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place, for a memorial before the Lord continually.

30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron’s heart, when he goeth in before the Lord: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the Lord continually.

31 And thou shalt make the robe of the ephod all of blue.

32 And there shall be an hole in the top of it, in the midst thereof: it shall have a binding of woven work round about the hole of it, as it were the hole of an habergeon, that it be not rent.

33 And beneath upon the hem of it thou shalt make pomegranates of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, round about the hem thereof; and bells of gold between them round about:

34 A golden bell and a pomegranate, a golden bell and a pomegranate, upon the hem of the robe round about.

35 And it shall be upon Aaron to minister: and his sound shall be heard when he goeth in unto the holy place before the Lord, and when he cometh out, that he die not.

36 ¶And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, Holiness to the Lord.

37 And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.

38 And it shall be upon Aaron’s forehead, that Aaron mayabear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the Lord.

39 And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen, and thou shalt make the mitre of fine linen, and thou shalt make the girdle of needlework.

40 And for Aaron’s sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty.

41 And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest’s office.

42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

43 And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die: it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.

//
Leviticus 8:6-13
6 And Moses brought Aaron and his sons, and washed them with water.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#23893 Apr 21, 2013
7 And he put upon him the coat, and girded him with the girdle, and clothed him with the brobe, and put the ephod upon him, and he girded him with the curious girdle of the ephod, and bound it unto him therewith.

8 And he put the breastplate upon him: also he put in the breastplate the Urim and the Thummim.

9 And he put the mitre upon his head; also upon the mitre, even upon his forefront, did he put the golden plate, the holy crown; as the Lord commanded Moses.

10 And Moses took the anointing oil, and anointed the tabernacle and all that was therein, and sanctified them.

11 And he sprinkled thereof upon the altar seven times, and anointed the altar and all his vessels, both the aver and his foot, to sanctify them.

12 And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron’s head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.

13 And Moses brought Aaron’s sons, band put coats upon them, and girded them with girdles, and put bonnets upon them; as the Lord commanded Moses.

//
Exodus 28:36
36 And thou shalt make a aplate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, bHoliness to the Lord.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23894 Apr 21, 2013
//
Exodus 28:36
36 And thou shalt make a aplate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, bHoliness to the Lord.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23895 Apr 21, 2013
http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/gospel-jesus-chri...

//
Exodus 28:36
36 And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, bHoliness to the Lord.

...

I think what you do not understand is everything is symbolic in some way or another.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23896 Apr 21, 2013
And that is how you handle a legitimate question?

//

You said:
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
They have built the same number the early church has. LOL!!!
I asked:
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously, give me a count how many Church's and Temple's the Army built last year.
Your response:
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't know, don't care. A building is an indicator of nothing.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23897 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like I've hit a sore subject for you. When did you lose your temple recommend, Carol?
The benefit of being a real Christian is that you start out getting God's best, and then it only gets better. Only Mormons can lose the love of Jesus Christ. LOL!!!
ahaha...

* I didn't loose my temple recommend.
* and my name is not Carol.

I have you 10 reasons why you have to guess things about me.

1) You know nothing about me.
2) You know nothing about me.
3) You know nothing about me.
4) You know nothing about me.
5) You know nothing about me.
6) You know nothing about me.
7) You know nothing about me.
8) You know nothing about me.
9) You know nothing about me.
10) You know nothing about me.

//
You guessed 2 more things...
You were wrong on both!
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#23900 Apr 21, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
It is obvious Mormons are Christians.
We read the Bible, we quote the Bible. We are followers of Jesus Christ.
//
Definition of a Christian
/adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
CHECK
Processing a belief in Jesus the Christ does not make anyone a Christian.

Hindu's believe in Jesus
Muslims believe in Jesus.

and Even the Devil and his demons believe in Jesus Christ.

Now when you say you follow Jesus that is a LIE.

Mormons do not follow the Jesus as revealed in the Bible and History.

You follow a man made false Jesus made up by a Pedophile lunatic polygamist who practiced witchcraft and used so called magic glasses and Hat who claimed Blacks are black because the did not side With Jesus in heaven whites are white because they did, believes baptizing a dead Hitler somehow helps him to get to paradise all be it the lowest level who died in a shoot out while in Jail for burning down a fellow human beings printing press.

Jesus taught us to turn the other Cheek and do unto others as we would have done to us J.S. says assassinate them.

Joseph Smith did the opposite he and his followers smuggled a gun into Jail and tried to murder Law enforcement officers.

Just like the wackos in Boston did this week one in the same of the same evil spirit of this World

YOU follow the teachings of Devil's own period.

Mormons are not Christians they deny the Resurrected historical Jesus of the Bible they reject his teachings and his Apostles teachings and substitute them with an evil demented man's rantings named Joseph Smith.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#23901 Apr 21, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike you, I am happy others also believe in Christ. Mormons are Christian. And of your 1.6 billion, I would say 1 million actually live there religion. Just sayin.
They are not my numbers they are LDS numbers you can google if you like.

Mormons say they are Christians but by LDS definition the Devil is Christian.

Now your 1.6 billion comment stands for itself and shows how disingenuous and how easily you are willing to promote and propagate a lie.

But then you have more in common with the Devil then Jesus the Christ.

Just pointing out the truth

Because it matters not your falsehoods.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#23902 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't been here long, so you're not getting the irony here. Mr. "the Mormon church is perfect" here was excommunicated from the LDS church.
Did he/she admit this in the thread?

For what reason?

Is he/she thinking posting here will help get he/she back in the LDS sect?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23903 Apr 21, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/go spel-jesus-christ-old-testamen t/13-%E2%80%9Choliness-lord%E2 %80%9D-and-personal-temple-wor ship
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Exodus 28:36
36 And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, bHoliness to the Lord.
...
I think what you do not understand is everything is symbolic in some way or another.
How many temples did the early church build? Zero, nada. They were no longer needed. "God does not dwell in a temple built by human hands."

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23904 Apr 21, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Did he/she admit this in the thread?
For what reason?
Is he/she thinking posting here will help get he/she back in the LDS sect?
No Surprise is a guy in Alaska, or so he claims. He joined the LDS church as a teen, but left after 3 months. He was excommunicated after 3 yrs, or so he claims. How much of that is truth, I can't say, but those are his claims.

Finding truth in his posts is an ongoing mission. Why he was excommunicated I don't know for sure, but I have my speculations.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23905 Apr 21, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
ahaha...
* I didn't loose my temple recommend.
* and my name is not Carol.
I have you 10 reasons why you have to guess things about me.
1) You know nothing about me.
2) You know nothing about me.
3) You know nothing about me.
4) You know nothing about me.
5) You know nothing about me.
6) You know nothing about me.
7) You know nothing about me.
8) You know nothing about me.
9) You know nothing about me.
10) You know nothing about me.
//
You guessed 2 more things...
You were wrong on both!
Everybody knows you're Carol, Carol. From your over reaction about your temple recommend statis, it looks like I've nailed that right also.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23906 Apr 21, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Processing a belief in Jesus the Christ does not make anyone a Christian.
Hindu's believe in Jesus
Muslims believe in Jesus.
and Even the Devil and his demons believe in Jesus Christ.
Now when you say you follow Jesus that is a LIE.
Mormons do not follow the Jesus as revealed in the Bible and History.
You follow a man made false Jesus made up by a Pedophile lunatic polygamist who practiced witchcraft and used so called magic glasses and Hat who claimed Blacks are black because the did not side With Jesus in heaven whites are white because they did, believes baptizing a dead Hitler somehow helps him to get to paradise all be it the lowest level who died in a shoot out while in Jail for burning down a fellow human beings printing press.
Jesus taught us to turn the other Cheek and do unto others as we would have done to us J.S. says assassinate them.
Joseph Smith did the opposite he and his followers smuggled a gun into Jail and tried to murder Law enforcement officers.
Just like the wackos in Boston did this week one in the same of the same evil spirit of this World
YOU follow the teachings of Devil's own period.
Mormons are not Christians they deny the Resurrected historical Jesus of the Bible they reject his teachings and his Apostles teachings and substitute them with an evil demented man's rantings named Joseph Smith.
You are a lying wanna be know it all.

And, once again your wrong on multiple occasions about Mormonism.
You can turn anything anyway you want it.

MATTHEW 22:15
15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.

FOR STARTERS... YOU ARE TYPICALLY WRONG ON MOST OF YOUR STATEMENTS... AND I WON'T BE RESPONDING TO YOU AGAIN AFTER THIS EMAIL.

Now, with that said:
We DO NOT follow the Devil.
Mormons are Christians.
We believe in the Bible.
We believe in the Resurrection.
And, we DO NOT reject the teachings of his Apostles.

LIKE I SAID I WONT BE RESPONDING TO YOU AGAIN

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#23907 Apr 21, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
My Mother is my Sister, My Wife is my Sister
Black people did wrong in heaven White people did good.
The Evil one the Devil is actually our Brother and Father God is both our Dads.
Holy Cow man can anyone seriously believe this Crap and keep their Sanity???
Well just look at those trying to defend it here and the answer clearly is a big NO
You think this is a lie..."My Mother is my Sister, My Wife is my Sister..." Jesus said we are all brothers and sisters in the Lord because we have one Heavenly Father. He stated we are his sons and daughters.
You deny the very teachings of Jesus so you call him a liar this time. Physically we have specific titles for each other. But our spirits have a single title because we have a Heavenly Father according to the Bible. We are all brothers and sisters to each other spiritually. So yes it a Bible truth that your mom is your spirit sister and your wife is your spirit sister. But in the flesh one is your mom and one is your wife. Jesus explained this concept very plainly though you call him a liar.

Thank you for showing once again you are Bat crap Crazy and then some.
What is unfortunate is how much you twistedly lie to make such irrational points. But of course as Dana reverts to be which you out him by margins, you're a liar for Jesus and you think Jesus is proud of your twisted lies.
Lets examine your twisted lying for Jesus...

You said..."Black people did wrong in heaven White people did good." A twisted lie. There were no different colours in the premortal state according to Mormon doctrine. Whatever our spiritual image looked like, we were all the same in appearance according to Mormon doctrine. But you have to lie and state in that preexistence, Mormons think we all had different colours. Liar, liar, liar for Jesus.

You said..."The Evil one the Devil is actually our Brother and Father God is both our Dads." You're really insane here. Satan isn't a father to any spirit because he didn't create any spirits.
Satan was a created spirit as you were a created spirit and we were all created spirits. We were all created by the same God so states the Bible though you call it a liar.
Satan is a spirit brother. All the spirits that went with him, one third of the heavenly host that John claims are imprisoned to this earth, every one of them is a spirit brother and sister to us. Can you comprehend that or do you just wish to call God and the Bible liars as usual?

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23908 Apr 21, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Everybody knows you're Carol, Carol. From your over reaction about your temple recommend statis, it looks like I've nailed that right also.
I had no reaction to your comment at all.

My comment was about your guessing all the time and making judgements. You have nailed nothing.

3 people in this thread here have told you my name is not Carol. hmmmmm... 3 people who I have talked to, who would know my name, plus myself (that is 4 people total).

//
It's a division tactic. I just ignore your typical illogical rantings and guessing games.

I remember you guessing about how many kids I had... first you said I had a lot, then you said I had none... you're a joke.

You guess things about people attempting to lure them to trust you and give you just anything to one day use against them or spread around... you have always guessed wrong about me.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#23909 Apr 21, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever actaull read the Verses before and after that which you use as a defense ooopsss sorry you are not defending you are explaining LOL
Rocks are soft water is dry and and in Utah when it snows they are flaming snowflakes that is about as much sense as the above crap makes.
anyway God's word says the following.
2Co 12:1 I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.
2Co 12:3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—
2Co 12:4 was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.
So as the Verse says as Gods inerrant word STATES man is not permitted to tell how is it you know or the LDS sect knows who or what is in the Third heaven???
Once again you are caught in a simple trap because you only regurgitate LDS brainwashing with out ever reading the verses before or after.
Oh I know now you are going to say its not translate ok or you read it with magic contact lenses or your dog informed you or something that does mean a hill of beans but get it out we know you can't help yourself.
So I ask again where do we find these beliefs in LDS scripture?
You're quite pathetic. This is why I rarely respond to you. You soon put me into remembrance for why I don't respond to you. My bad that as an idiot I thought you might engage me in an intelligent lively conversation. I forgot your one sided in how you can respond. My apologies :)
You ask a question, I respond and you go and talk about something else.
I asked you questions and you ignored them.
I have suggested to others to ignore you. You're a waste of your time and other's responses.
So you keep having your one sided conversations and good luck engaging others :)

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