Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32073 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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Seriously

Hyattsville, MD

#22781 Mar 28, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>What I find extremely funny is that most Christians, especially Protestants, believe they will be reunited with their spouses upon death. They don't even share your limited view.
What "most Christians" are you talking about? MOST Christians know there will be no marriage in Heaven - not for you, not for me, not for anyone married anywhere, by anyone, under any law. That is nothing more than made-up doctrine (not scriptural at all!) and lots of wishful thinking BY MAN! God's Word (the only one that matters) clearly states that the Church (made up only of those who believe in the real Jesus) will be His Bride. That's it, Buster, the only "marriage" of any type in Heaven. You cannot show me ONE verse in the Old or the New Testament that indicates marriage is eternal. Don't you think it would be an important enough issue that were it so, it would have deserved at least an "honorable mention" in the Bible? The BOM is MAN MADE - and not Holy Spirit inspired. Your original "prophet" was a lunatic. His past was very shady and his "revelations" are no longer even practiced in the very church he founded? Wow.
Seriously

Hyattsville, MD

#22782 Mar 28, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>...You will be "like an angel," living singularly throughout all eternity. Enjoy it...
Oh, and by the way, SO WILL YOU!

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22783 Mar 28, 2013
Seriously wrote:
<quoted text>What "most Christians" are you talking about? MOST Christians know there will be no marriage in Heaven - not for you, not for me, not for anyone married anywhere, by anyone, under any law. That is nothing more than made-up doctrine (not scriptural at all!) and lots of wishful thinking BY MAN! God's Word (the only one that matters) clearly states that the Church (made up only of those who believe in the real Jesus) will be His Bride. That's it, Buster, the only "marriage" of any type in Heaven. You cannot show me ONE verse in the Old or the New Testament that indicates marriage is eternal. Don't you think it would be an important enough issue that were it so, it would have deserved at least an "honorable mention" in the Bible? The BOM is MAN MADE - and not Holy Spirit inspired. Your original "prophet" was a lunatic. His past was very shady and his "revelations" are no longer even practiced in the very church he founded? Wow.
I stated which most Christians, and how'd you know my name was Buster???

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22784 Mar 28, 2013
Seriously wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, and by the way, SO WILL YOU!
No I won't, and just because you say so doesn't make it true. I do not share your limited view, if you haven't noticed...

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#22786 Mar 28, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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"you can't get to first class heaven if you believe in equality" ask them about that, please.
Believing in equality today as the far left uses the terminology, it just means to them you no longer have a right to an opinion that goes against how the far left demands that you should be thinking as they command it or else they'll judge and brand a person with an opposing opinion as a discriminating prejudicial bigot.
You and Dana are prime examples of this force fed ideology.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#22787 Mar 28, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Believing in equality today as the far left uses the terminology, it just means to them you no longer have a right to an opinion that goes against how the far left demands that you should be thinking as they command it or else they'll judge and brand a person with an opposing opinion as a discriminating prejudicial bigot.
You and Dana are prime examples of this force fed ideology.
It means you get to sit in the closet with the Klan

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#22788 Mar 28, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Believing in equality today as the far left uses the terminology, it just means to them you no longer have a right to an opinion that goes against how the far left demands that you should be thinking as they command it or else they'll judge and brand a person with an opposing opinion as a discriminating prejudicial bigot.
You and Dana are prime examples of this force fed ideology.
Your "opinion is hateful, harmful and hurts humanity. People are sick of your "opinion. Go hide somewhere and keep condemning yourself.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/03/gays-cra...

“Truth Seeker ”

Since: Mar 13

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#22789 Mar 28, 2013
Mormons should take a few minutes to check out this earth shattering revelation in Mormonism.



^^ Youtube video is about 3 minutes

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^^Interesting Facebook page to check out too

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22791 Mar 28, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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He certainly wasn't teaching it to the arrogant Sadducees. However, that's not to say he wasn't teaching it. For example, in verse 29, Christ says, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." What scriptures did he have in mind? Where is it written in the Old Testament that marriages do not continue in heaven? And how is the power of God made manifest by ending the marriage between a man and a woman who have lived their lives together, and who loved each other. In fact, the New Testament says exactly the opposite. In 1 Corinthians 11:11, Paul says:
Nevertheless, neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, "in the Lord."
which certainly sounds like an eternal principle is being taught. Moreover, Jesus says, in Mark 10:8-9,
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
The Bible teaches us that the power of God unites. There is no mention anywhere of death changing anything; no "till death do you part." It is man's interpretation who insists on separating married couples.
Commandments on how we are to conduct ourselves in this life doesn't mean a marriage would be eternal. The fact that the early church didn't build temples show they didn't do sealings. Sealings can only be done in temples and endowment houses according to Mormonism. The early church had neither. Paul taught it is better to be single if you are capable to better serve the Lord just before the verses you quoted. If eternal marriage was part of God's plan, he would have made it more plain to the believer, the church would have done anything it could to make it available to the members, yet this was not the message that the Apostles were giving. You can not find the Plan of Salvation being taught in the New Testament.

Since: Sep 12

Reeds Spring, MO

#22792 Mar 28, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Commandments on how we are to conduct ourselves in this life doesn't mean a marriage would be eternal. The fact that the early church didn't build temples show they didn't do sealings. Sealings can only be done in temples and endowment houses according to Mormonism. The early church had neither. Paul taught it is better to be single if you are capable to better serve the Lord just before the verses you quoted. If eternal marriage was part of God's plan, he would have made it more plain to the believer, the church would have done anything it could to make it available to the members, yet this was not the message that the Apostles were giving. You can not find the Plan of Salvation being taught in the New Testament.
I disagree. Commandments are given to us in this life in order to prepare us for the eternities. What would be the purpose of us to marry in this life only to spend the eternities singularly?
I've attempted to make it as plain as possible as I understand it. I will give another example.

Mark 10:2-9
"And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

The Pharisees were asking Jesus if it's okay to divorce and Jesus teaches them that marriage was, in fact, God's plan from the foundation of the world. Jesus teaches that divorce is man's creation, not God's. Jesus goes on and teaches that what God has joined together should not be split. So let me understand, those that believe in "till death do you part." God is completely anti-divorce on Earth, but He endorses universal divorce in Heaven? I didn't think God was so inconsistent. What happened to God's will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven?
I believe that God is not inconsistent, and He's not pro-heavenly divorce. When couples are married and sealed in God's temple by authority of God's priesthood then it is God that is joining the man and woman together; and what God has joined together will not be put asunder on Earth or in Heaven.
Father overtime

United States

#22793 Mar 28, 2013
If you feel that you need to limit your faith by a bible written by hundreds of men hundreds of years ago hundreds of years after Jesus lived with plenty of room for error, go for it.

I'll take a prophet that saw God and Jesus side by side with an actual history written on this continent, and translated recently than a bible that for all I know, was written by a pope that hungered for power and greed.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#22794 Mar 28, 2013
You know what's even more disgusting than old white men demanding all their followers give them money and be bigots??
...brainwashing children and having them do their lip service

http://m.youtube.com/watch...

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#22795 Mar 28, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
It means you get to sit in the closet with the Klan
If people having a right to an opinion offends you, you are the one sitting with the klan. The klan and other racially motivated groups among all colours have the same explicit ideology as your far left preaches it. You and them teach a right to an opinion is an offense, not a right to your's and their thinking. You're as neo-nazi as they come. your ideology is theirs, think as we do or suffer the consequences.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#22796 Mar 28, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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The LDS Bible Dictionary tell us that the grace unto "eternal life and exaltation" is insufficient "without total effort on the part of the recipient":
"This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. Divine grace is needed by every soul in consequence of the fall of Adam and also because of man's weaknesses and shortcomings. However, grace cannot suffice without total effort on the part of the recipient. Hence the explanation,'It is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do'(2 Ne. 25:23)" (p. 697).
Under the heading "2 Nephi 25:23—We Are Saved by Grace, after All We Can Do", the currently used CES manual Book of Mormon Student Study Guide reads,
"We are saved by the power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. We must, however, come unto Christ on His terms in order to obtain all the blessings that He freely offers us. We come unto Christ by doing “all we can do” to remember Him, keep our covenants with Him, and obey His commandments (see D&C 20:77, 79; see also Abraham 3:25)." (p. 53)
To help explain what "after all we can do" means Mormon leaders sometimes cross-reference 2 Nephi 25:23 with Moroni 10:32. For example:
"And what is 'all we can do'? It surely includes repentance (see Alma 24:11) and baptism, keeping the commandments, and enduring to the end. Moroni pleaded,'Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ'(Moro. 10:32)." - Dallin H. Oaks11
On December 9th, 1982, Ezra Taft Benson gave a talk entitled, "After All We Can Do", and said the following:
"What is meant by 'after all we can do'?'After all we can do' includes extending our best effort.'After all we can do' includes living His commandments.'After all we can do' includes loving our fellowmen and praying for those who regard us as their adversary.'After all we can do' means clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, visiting the sick and giving 'succor [to] those who stand in need of [our] succor'(Mosiah 4:15)-remembering that what we do unto one of the least of God's children, we do unto Him (see Matthew 25:34-40; D&C 42:38).'After all we can do' means leading chaste, clean, pure lives, being scrupulously honest in all our dealings and treating others the way we would want to be treated."12
http://www.mrm.org/2-nephi-25-23
I don't see anything wrong with saying that we should be keeping the commandments of God if we have truly taken upon our selves the name of Christ and have accepted his saving grace. If we don't keep the commandments have we truly accepted Christ and His teachings? Probably not. Hence, we need to strive through our lives to live as he would have us live, taking his name upon us, and thereby accepting his grace. When we mess up, we repent, re-accept his grace, and recommit ourselves to keep his commandments.
In summary:
The Savior said, "come follow me." We should do our best to follow him if we expect to reap the benefits of discipleship.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#22797 Mar 28, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Your "opinion is hateful, harmful and hurts humanity. People are sick of your "opinion. Go hide somewhere and keep condemning yourself.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/03/gays-cra...
Funny that you make that statement the way you did. See, not only have you became a socialist by telling me I can't have an opinion without being judged, your mentality of my not having a right to an opinion matches that of racially motivated groups like the klan, black panthers, aaryan brother hood and others you now think as they have always thought.
By the way, your statement was once used by Christians against homosexuality not to long ago by the majority of Christian and non-Christian Americans... "Your "opinion is hateful, harmful and hurts humanity. People are sick of your "opinion. Go hide somewhere and keep condemning yourself."...funny how you are now as biased, prejudicial and bigoted as those you accuse of being just that.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#22798 Mar 28, 2013
NoMo wrote:
You know what's even more disgusting than old white men demanding all their followers give them money and be bigots??
...brainwashing children and having them do their lip service
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
Know what's more disgusting? People that see someone is on the road to suicide and they step a side and do nothing to stop them. That's more disgusting and foul and mean spirited then about anything going. Don't you agree nomo?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#22799 Mar 28, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Standard works cited
PS: Thanks for using the materials published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Its good to hear references to current materials that are actually being used to teach doctrine.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#22801 Mar 28, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny that you make that statement the way you did. See, not only have you became a socialist by telling me I can't have an opinion without being judged, your mentality of my not having a right to an opinion matches that of racially motivated groups like the klan, black panthers, aaryan brother hood and others you now think as they have always thought.
By the way, your statement was once used by Christians against homosexuality not to long ago by the majority of Christian and non-Christian Americans... "Your "opinion is hateful, harmful and hurts humanity. People are sick of your "opinion. Go hide somewhere and keep condemning yourself."...funny how you are now as biased, prejudicial and bigoted as those you accuse of being just that.
if you want to stay inside your miserable closet, go ahead..but expecting others to llive as miserable life as you have doesn't fly anymore. sit in your sh1t , its your choice.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#22802 Mar 28, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text> if you want to stay inside your miserable closet, go ahead..but expecting others to llive as miserable life as you have doesn't fly anymore. sit in your sh1t , its your choice.
Let's examine this self righteous judgemental attitude you have going shall we?
You claim church officials enforcing doctrines for members are responsible for kids that commit suicide over sexual orientation issues.
That means using the same twisted logic, since you knew a troubled teen was suicidal and you did nothing, you're responsible directly more than anyone for his death. You literally handed that teen the pills/razor/rope/gun that he used for his death. That means your a fricking absolute murderer by pre-knowledge of a fact you did nothing to stop. No wonder you hate people so much, it's a reflection of how much you loath yourself for your filthy rotten conscious and black heart. And that was your choice.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#22803 Mar 28, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text> if you want to stay inside your miserable closet, go ahead..but expecting others to llive as miserable life as you have doesn't fly anymore. sit in your sh1t , its your choice.
lol...and what's worse, is you can't stand for people to have a non-violent, non-malevolent opinion. You have become a neo-nazi disgusting discriminating malevolent racist socialistic thinking person demanding others think/agree as you or else you'll call them all your black hearted derogatory names.
You're the new example of the old klan bigoted, prejudicial racist except your wear a cloak and hood of rainbow colours demanding all believe and think as you do or else be dammed. And that's really fricking sad. Really pathetically sad.

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