Bill would require parental notificat...

Bill would require parental notification for school discussions of ’sexual orientation issues’

There are 81 comments on the www.baywindows.com story from Feb 19, 2009, titled Bill would require parental notification for school discussions of ’sexual orientation issues’. In it, www.baywindows.com reports that:

House Minority Leader Bradley Jones (R-North Reading) has filed a bill that would expand the state’s sex education parental notification law to require written parental approval for students to participate in any "curriculum, or a school sanctioned program or activity, which involves ... sexual orientation issues." LGBT advocates believe the bill would have a chilling effect on any discussion of LGBT issues within the schools, potentially forcing students to get parental permission to attend gay/straight alliance (GSA) meetings and restricting most discussions about LGBT people and LGBT families. The bill has the backing of the anti-gay group Massachusetts Family Institute (MFI). Jones, however, contends that his bill is not anti-gay.

Arline Isaacson, co-chair of the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus, said opponents of LGBT rights have long tried - without success - to broaden the scope of the parental notification bill over the years. She called the effort to broaden the bill to include sexual orientation issues "outrageous."

"[For] kids who need support systems as they struggle with their sexuality, the gay/straight alliances are often a lifeline for those kids to maintain their sanity. Their sense of self, their emotional and psychological wellbeing can be deeply tied to those alliances. And to undercut them by saying, your parents have to opt in, where does that leave a kid whose parents are hyper-conservative but who needs desperately to find some support, talk to friends and teachers, learn? Who do they ask questions of?" said Isaacson. "We save their lives in these programs. It would be comparable to a parent who is sexually abusing their kid saying, ’I don’t want them to learn in school that this is wrong. If I want to teach them this is okay, I will.’ Well, it doesn’t work that way."

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Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#1 Feb 19, 2009
People can continue to try and hide from the issue of sex whether heterosexual or homosexual but it's not going to go away. It just forces kids to be less open with their parents and teachers.

We really need to learn not to be afraid of the issue. This puritanical thinking has only caused problems in the past and will continue to cause problems. Orientation and sex are a part of our lives and children are made aware of it much younger then parents want to face. It's time for parents to act as parents and tackle those things they find uncomfortable. Not exposing kids to subjects about homosexuality is not going to prevent kids from being homosexual and certainly is not going to stop them from experimenting.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#2 Feb 19, 2009
If the kids don't get the info at school, they WILL get it somehow.....I'll bet on that one!
Ken

United States

#3 Feb 19, 2009
I grew up not far from North Reading in the North Shore area of Massachusetts. I left there 11 years ago for many reasons.

When I was in high school, I had NO resources to help me understand/cope with my sexuality. There were no gay/straight alliances (they were unheard of and probably unthinkable at that time). I went very deep into the closet and started my efforts to pretend to be heterosexual, with the disastrous results that led to.

Kids who know they are gay need positive role models to help them become healthy, contributing members of society AS THEMSELVES. They need support to understand that, contrary to what some very closed-minded people view of the world, this is 100% natural and that this is WHO they are. If they are required to come out to their parents before they can get this support, then they have already lost a major part of the battle of coming to know who they are. You cannot come out to anyone when you don't really understand who you are coming out as. Part of the quest for maturity comes from exploring who you are, and this bill will deny numerous students this option in thier lives.

The result, as Imprtnrd says, is that they will look elsewhere, and possibly in noticeably less-safe environments, for this support and this information. If it can't be offered at home or at school in relatively safe environments, it will be found in locations that are less safe and could be dangerous.

“STFU”

Since: May 07

Atlanta, GA

#4 Feb 19, 2009
Americans must be the most stupid and ignorant group on the planet. Every day I see more and more that makes me sick to call myself an American. These religionists have got to be stopped once and for all time, they are the biggest threat to America that has ever existed, far more than any outside terrorists could hope to become.
DivaJean

United States

#5 Feb 19, 2009
I hate this dumb legislation.

I can well imagine that my kids talking about their two moms is likely to be determined as a "sexual orientation" issue, even if its just something as tame as "My two moms took me to the movies last night" but straight kids referring to their parents is not.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#6 Feb 19, 2009
When I went to public school, the only homosexual I learned about was Michelangelo. Obviously, neither his nor Oscar Wilde's sexuality could be mentioned if this bill passed.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#7 Feb 19, 2009
From what I've heard and read, variations on this legislation have been floating around the Mass Legislature for the last four or five years with no success and none is really expected this time around either, fortunately. The so-called "parent's rights" groups trot this DOA legislation out to justify their existence, keep the donations rolling in and to remind us just how palatable anti-gay rhetoric and laws can be made to seem.
Fitz

Grosse Pointe, MI

#8 Feb 19, 2009
They know whats been happening in Massuchusets & other States. parents dont want kids being exposed to those things contrary to their values.

Get used to this sort of thing...you insisted on fighting it out in the public square.

Stop propagandizing youth and we wouldent need such regulations.

Reading, writing and arithmatic....
Dude

Seattle, WA

#9 Feb 19, 2009
What's to discuss? If the kid is gay, he is gay!

“Putan end to religious thought”

Since: Jun 07

The Freak Kingdom

#10 Feb 19, 2009
Fitz wrote:
Reading, writing and arithmatic....
A lot of you fools tout this whole "stick to basic education of reading, writing, & arithmetic" line any time sexuality issues come up in schools. Well, do you know what that would actually look like?

No extra-curricular clubs
No Sports
No dances or formals
No Fish club (I just had to single this one out)
No sex ed at all

Schools would be gray producers of unthinking fact machines. Schools do more than teach basics and facts. They teach kids how to think for themselves, how to interact appropriately with peers and adults; they teach how to cope and interact with the ever-growing world around them.

Sexuality is a part of the world. It is a part of teens' lives. Young people should be learning the truth about these things and have available support when needed.

Since: Apr 07

Norristown, PA

#11 Feb 19, 2009
So it's still being treated, still, in 2009, like it's this "weird, bad thing" that needs to be FILTERED through the sensibilities of so-called intelligent adults.

So why do I keep feeling that those adults come off as goddamn babies and as *clinically stupid*? They look *stupid* when they act like this because they're acting *NO DIFFERENT* from the way people did, in the past, about issues of *RACE* or *GENDER*.

What a f***ing joke that some black people "scream" that there is no comparison. Oh, my god, what in god's name do you call this sort of garbage?... this perpetual, hysterical *sickness* that people can't seem to get past?

I'll call it as I see it and I *DARE* anyone to even *PRETEND* I have no right to do so. You have a long, long life ahead of you if you think your words will have *any* meaning whatsoever. I do not suffer gladly anyone stupid, and will continue exactly as so.

Since: Apr 07

Norristown, PA

#12 Feb 19, 2009
fuzi wrote:
Americans must be the most stupid and ignorant group on the planet. Every day I see more and more that makes me sick to call myself an American. These religionists have got to be stopped once and for all time, they are the biggest threat to America that has ever existed, far more than any outside terrorists could hope to become.
Totally agree and I love the people are *crying* about it like puking babies because more and more people are standing up and calling them STUPID. If the shoe fits, then I will damn well call the shoe *what it is*.

Our nation looks pathetic. It looks like a laughingstock. It looks so *weak and spineless* with these hysterical idiots trying *so hard* to force others to live in a certain way, and FAILING at every turn. They're failures, nothing more and nothing less, and I no longer even think, "I'm tired of them ruining my country." Now I *stand apart* from them and call them stupid, spineless Americans, and I am not going to stop.

Period.

Since: Apr 07

Norristown, PA

#13 Feb 19, 2009
Fitz wrote:
They know whats been happening in Massuchusets & other States. parents dont want kids being exposed to those things contrary to their values.
It has nothing to do with "values," nothing whatsoever, and every time you or anyone says this, you *guar-an-tee* that the fight will continue *for-ev-er*. Got it? I don't think you do, because I think you think that calling someone's existential *personhood* a value holds water. It's senselessness, pure and simple.

Values? So why aren't these parents crying about BLACK VALUES in terms of the ways in which black people can be said *typically* to lead their lives? Why is that? Because it has to do with *SEX* and because stupid, sick, pathetic Americans continue to equate *SEX* with *EVIL*?

But what you said after this was far worse.
Fitz wrote:
Get used to this sort of thing...you insisted on fighting it out in the public square.
Oh, really. The *PRO-GAY* insisted on fighting this out? Gay people are going about their business and *NOTHING* would have hindered that except, obviously, the an-ti-gay. Say it along with me. You speak as if there is some existential right to *quash* others' humanity -- yet you and others like you would be just the type to condemn the holocaust, or slavery, or something similar. Are you out of your mind? The pro-gay and the gay are *doing what is naturally their god-given right* and all the screaming and puking is erupting *around them*, not within their ranks. SURELY you knew someone would see through this.
Fitz wrote:
Stop propagandizing youth and we wouldent need such regulations.
Reading, writing and arithmatic....
This last part doesn't even make sense.

But you can *bet the farm* that the way you speak here, the fight will go on, and on, and on. Would *YOU* stand for it, you or anyone you knew, if you were being *deliberately misrepresented* time and again? My guess is, no. Well, guess what?

The way you speak of gay people as if they're *cattle* or *objects* ensures that they are not going to stand for it, either; nor those who support them.

This nation needs to get a *LOT* of sense into its f***ing head.

“Walking Attitude”

Since: Aug 07

The Q continuum

#14 Feb 19, 2009
nhjeff wrote:
When I went to public school, the only homosexual I learned about was Michelangelo. Obviously, neither his nor Oscar Wilde's sexuality could be mentioned if this bill passed.
And why is it important to mention Michealangelo's sexuality in the first place? It is irrelevant to what he did.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#15 Feb 19, 2009
Fitz wrote:
They know whats been happening in Massuchusets & other States. parents dont want kids being exposed to those things contrary to their values.
Get used to this sort of thing...you insisted on fighting it out in the public square.
Stop propagandizing youth and we wouldent need such regulations.
Reading, writing and arithmatic....
Our children need to be taught about the real world in school. You can teach them whatever fairy tales you want on Sunday.

Since: Jan 09

Glenview, IL

#16 Feb 19, 2009
Why do people insist on discussing their sexual orientations anyway? I don't parade around shouting how straight I am nor does anyone I know. Whether you are straight or not has no barring on what type of person you are. I wish people would grow up.

Since: Jan 09

Glenview, IL

#17 Feb 19, 2009
Queue wrote:
<quoted text>
And why is it important to mention Michealangelo's sexuality in the first place? It is irrelevant to what he did.
Exactly.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#18 Feb 19, 2009
Queue wrote:
<quoted text>
And why is it important to mention Michealangelo's sexuality in the first place? It is irrelevant to what he did.
Gee, why did we all learn about George Washington Carver in grade school? Because he was a great black inventor, and black children deserve role models that they can relate to. Same with the great gay artists and thinkers of history.

Then was sexuality also irrelevant to Oscar Wilde?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#19 Feb 19, 2009
MessyJessie wrote:
Why do people insist on discussing their sexual orientations anyway? I don't parade around shouting how straight I am nor does anyone I know. Whether you are straight or not has no barring on what type of person you are. I wish people would grow up.
Actually, very few gays go around shouting their sexuality, either. But sexuality is obvious every time you walk down the street holding your spouse's hand, you have a romantic dinner at a restaurant, you buy a house together, or you sign up for domestic partnership benefits. Somehow, when straight people do these things, they are just living their lives. But to homophobes like you, gays are flaunting their sexuality when they do the same things everyone else does.

Get treatment for your disorder. Get over it!

“Walking Attitude”

Since: Aug 07

The Q continuum

#20 Feb 19, 2009
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, why did we all learn about George Washington Carver in grade school? Because he was a great black inventor, and black children deserve role models that they can relate to. Same with the great gay artists and thinkers of history.
Then was sexuality also irrelevant to Oscar Wilde?
We learn about these people to teach us segregation. Personally, i would rather de-segregate. That is, George Washington Carver was a human inventor. Oscar Wilde was a human playwrite, as was William Shakespeare. Michaelangelo was a human painter, as was Rembrant etc. What is important is their work and contribution to humanity, not who they chose to screw, or the color of their skin, or their height, or any other primitve superficial shallow attribute.

Humanity REALLY needs to grow up, get a clue, and get a life.

But alas, the nit wits will go on "cubbyholing" their fellow humans into neat little shallow groups based on total stupidity.

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