School bans students from talking at lunch

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WARWICK, R.I. Class, from now on there will be no talking at lunch. A Roman Catholic elementary school adopted new lunchroom rules this week requiring students to remain silent while eating.

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James Bondley

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Jan 26, 2007
 

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Principal Fuller,

Surely the administration of St. Rose of Lima's response to several students choking during their lunchtime is not to enact such an atavistic remedy as children being forbidden to speak during their lunch break?

In addtion to the regular educational objective of successful student learning, schools play a role of major importance in providing a venue through which children learn, develop, and practice socializtion skills. Quality socialization opportunities for children during school hours are usually limited to recess periods and lunchtime.
Your intentions to safeguard the children are laudable, however by implementing this policy your administration is denying these children a vitally important part of their overall education and development. To make matters worse, you have turned this effort to protect the children into a group punishment issue by hanging the noose of "Lunch Detention" over the heads of any children who transgress this policy by doing what children do best, namely being kids. This by itself is counter productive to these children's mental welfare and self-esteem.
Instead of having such an archaic and knee-jerk reactionary response to the matter, why not have a few additional lunch monitors available who have some first responder medical training? Secondly, I would hope that there has been some effort on your part to address to the children how to eat properly and safely. Not just to convey the message of "shutup and eat or else" to them.
Otherwise what will be the next superfluous rule passed? To have them complete their tests and assignments with crayons? Because surely we cannot let childeren have pencils in their possession. Why, little Johnny might poke his eyeball out!

James Bondley
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Zoompad

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Unbelievable! What will they do next - ban them for making a noise when they go to the toilet? What utter control freakery!
Duedonne Perrier

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As funny as this sounds, this is true! I have read not one, or two, but many articles on this, and similar topics. Schools are now banning many simple things, like dodge ball at recess, and even tag! Recess hour, or better said "half hour a week" has been shortened. And the Administration wonders why there is a behavior problems with children. They make them hold all the energy inside of them, encourage them to violence from video games and even current "fake" war, and they wounder why there are behavior problems.
On top of that, if we as parents ever visit the school, we have to go through more security than prison! If you are a visitor, you have to show legal ID card to get into the school, and some even have metal detectors. If you look at it from a psychological point of view, the atmosphere of the school is more comparable to a prison, than a children's school that we are so commonly used to.

To every parent out there, please take your kids out of the government children prison camp.

God bless you all.
Zoompad

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Duedonne Perrier wrote:
As funny as this sounds, this is true! I have read not one, or two, but many articles on this, and similar topics. Schools are now banning many simple things, like dodge ball at recess, and even tag! Recess hour, or better said "half hour a week" has been shortened. And the Administration wonders why there is a behavior problems with children. They make them hold all the energy inside of them, encourage them to violence from video games and even current "fake" war, and they wounder why there are behavior problems.
On top of that, if we as parents ever visit the school, we have to go through more security than prison! If you are a visitor, you have to show legal ID card to get into the school, and some even have metal detectors. If you look at it from a psychological point of view, the atmosphere of the school is more comparable to a prison, than a children's school that we are so commonly used to.
To every parent out there, please take your kids out of the government children prison camp.
God bless you all.
YES! YES! YES!

I agree with everything you just said! ps The phase "Social engineering" comes to mind.

It amazes me that people are so BLIND to what the UK and the US governments are trying to do to OUR children! It absolutly amazes me!

Well, folks were blind to what Adolf Hitler did too. And it seems, in spite of all our red poppy "We Will Remember" services, people have forgotten! All those dead soldiers would be so angry about the wilfull, lazy, shortsighted blindness of this generation!

Hardly anyone questions anything at all! Just like sheep to the slaughter!
Jan

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I have one question. When was the last time that you went to a school during their lunch?? I wish you could have the opportunity to go to a school, get in lunch line and finnish your meal at a kids table and not leave with a headache. It is horrible!! Believe me, the kids have pleanty of time to socialize and using quite voices during lunch is a good thing. I am always at my kids school (gr 2 & 4) and I would welcome it with open arms!!! Cudos to the Principal with the backbone to keep order in the school and to keep kids safe!
-thank you for letting me rant ( I was just at the school and I came home to search the web for a way to help kids relax at lunch)
joe

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May 22, 2007
 
ISn't socialization one of the factors which aids in success
tracey

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What ever happen to the saying let kids be kids. I have seen many lunch room moments and yes it's loud but all day these kids sit in a classroom and are told to be quiet the only time they see other friends is at lunch and recess. You'd be excited to. I think this elemetary school that bans talking is ridiculous I bet if you go there at lunch the kids have to remain quiet but the adults are talking. Why??? Maybe we should all become monks and take a vow of silence. Parents should visit schools during lunchtime without notice and I will bet you will leave there screaming yourself when you see how your kids are spoken to when they aren't suppose to be talking. It is borderline abuse. I don't believe kids should be seen and not heard but it sickens me that some people do.
Jan wrote:
I have one question. When was the last time that you went to a school during their lunch?? I wish you could have the opportunity to go to a school, get in lunch line and finnish your meal at a kids table and not leave with a headache. It is horrible!! Believe me, the kids have pleanty of time to socialize and using quite voices during lunch is a good thing. I am always at my kids school (gr 2 & 4) and I would welcome it with open arms!!! Cudos to the Principal with the backbone to keep order in the school and to keep kids safe!
-thank you for letting me rant ( I was just at the school and I came home to search the web for a way to help kids relax at lunch)
David Banno

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Jun 19, 2007
 
Let me see if I understand this.

The school has banned talking during lunch because they're afraid they won't hear a child choking and therefore won't be able to intervene to save the child's life. In other words,“adult hears child choking…adult follows choking sound…adult intervenes…child lives”: Do I have it correct?

Someone please tell me I’m wrong!! Why? Because a choking child DOESNT MAKE ANY NOISE!!!!

CHOKING is a life threatening condition that occurs when food, or some other object, blocks the trachea. When the trachea is blocked it prevents air from flowing into and out of the lungs. Without air flowing out of the lungs, it is impossible for a human being to make noise.

For those of us who have taken the two minutes necessary to read and actually understand a Heimlich Maneuver Chart,(school administrators pay attention here!) the universal sign for choking is when a child grabs their throat with one or both hands, and is UNABLE TO MAKE A SOUND. Without intervention, this is soon followed by the child's face turning blue and eventually passing out.

You may have noticed that all of the warning signs of choking require that someone is actually paying attention and looking at the victim.

NOTE:(for school administrators) "paying attention" does not include putting on blinders, standing in the corner and chatting with other adults. It does, however, include such measures as walking around tables, interacting with students, or maybe glancing around the lunch room for 5-10 seconds of each minute.

If I have misunderstood the intent of this policy and it is, in fact, the very distinct sound of a child COUGHING that the school is worried about, then I would like to set some minds at ease.

Coughing, which does make noise and could certainly be missed in a noisy lunchroom, is the body's method of removing something before it becomes lodged in the trachea. In other words, it is one of the body's natural defenses to prevent choking. In the event of a coughing, the recommended procedure is to do nothing, as coughing is never life-threatening.

Finally, it is important to note that in extremely rare cases, coughing can actually lead to choking; however, that should cause little worry for those schools who have implemented one or more of the "paying attention" preventative measures listed above.
jake

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Jan 5, 2008
 
this is pathetic, kids are supposed to talk during lunch, it is the only time during a school day that students can sit down and socialize, and you are taking that away from them?
go mariners

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what in the world! of course kids hould talk at lunch. i am in elementary school and if we are not caught up with school work we have to stay in from reeces but stopping kids from talking is just too much!
Pax et Bonum

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I student taught in a public school over twenty years ago. The policy set by the principal and enforced by her was that there was to be no talking during lunch. The students only had twenty minutes to eat. This is not a long time and if they had been able to talk many would not have finished eating. The problem today is that more and more people want to run schools than actually teach, work in them, or have any idea what it takes to run one. I know of no research that backs any contention that not talking during a lunch period will in any way be detrimental to the overall growth of a student.
pope

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Oct 6, 2009
 
Is there any still any question something is very wrong with the schools. Tag has been played by kids for thousands of years, it has been documented in ancient Egypt, I am sure it goes back farther just no written history before that time. More energy is spent on gay rights and other PC BS. And then this, WTF. It is a fact there are more fat kids than ever and now liberal school admins want to keep them sedentary. The excuses put up just do not fly. Lets face it it is a pretty safe game, Jesus H Christ they have talent, talent to really screw up as school administrators. Is it any wonder with many LA California schools at a 50% or more dropout rate. They look more like prisons with there heavily armed police force, razor wire and metal detectors. Is it any wonder people need to home-school and or send there kids to expensive private schools.
Catholic elementary school bans talking at lunch. Well they are still better than the alternative in public schools, they don't take any crap from kids and they learn respect and obedience to authority. There is a reason why so many secondary and high school have turned into prisons because of the high gang violence. If the parents don't like that Catholic school they can send there kids to a different school. I think this ban will be short lived and is an overreaction.
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Oct 15, 2009
 
Moronic. If the kids are choking, how about teaching them to chew? Or to cut their food better?

I thought Catholic educators had more common sense than this.

Sounds like something from the BO administration.
Citizen

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If you ask any Baby Boomer what they missed most in their childhood, they would tell you structure.
The blatant lack of discipline, and manners is why we have the self centered 30ish crowd we have today, and this new generation of teens is worse, no manners, ethics, morals at all. I know it's too late to start training kids to be civilized, but it's good to know someone is trying.
OoHappyDay

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Oct 19, 2009
 
lol poor little campers, does talking to themself count?
love

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Mar 9, 2010
 
this is stupid kids talking at lunch is the only freedom at school they have and u will talk that away
smart

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Mar 20, 2013
 
Zoompad wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Unbelievable! What will they do next - ban them for making a noise when they go to the toilet? What utter control freakery!
it happend already...
smart

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Mar 20, 2013
 
it happend in my school already...

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