North Prov mayor: layoffs or pay cuts

North Prov mayor: layoffs or pay cuts

There are 57 comments on the WPRI Providence and Rhode Island story from Feb 19, 2009, titled North Prov mayor: layoffs or pay cuts. In it, WPRI Providence and Rhode Island reports that:

Another Rhode Island town in financial trouble: North Providence's mayor is giving his firefighters a choice -- everyone take pay cuts and pay up more for healthcare, or some of them will lose their jobs.

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jerry

Meriden, CT

#1 Feb 19, 2009
they need to cut back on cops in north provolone. i understand they need jobs and have families to feed but there's like 20 cop cars on mineral spring all hours of the day. there's no crime over there it's retarded. the cops are out just look to bother high school kids.

Since: Feb 09

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#2 Feb 19, 2009
yet another blow hard with the mouth go a head cut everyone you can and then when you have no one to protect the city Dont come preaching to the state.

you not going to be able to cut 50 percent f anything the courts will not let you. why dont you cities and towns do something constructive and file suit against the state demanding the money that you need.

stop putting worker againest workers grow up I dont see you or any of your staff taken pay cuts you are still driving around you city car even out of town.

so go ahead lay off everyone who will come to your aid and that goes for the rest of you who post think about it no police no fire no teachers is that what you realy want if so you can have rhode island

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#3 Feb 20, 2009
grd0099 wrote:
yet another blow hard with the mouth go a head cut everyone you can and then when you have no one to protect the city Dont come preaching to the state.
you not going to be able to cut 50 percent f anything the courts will not let you. why dont you cities and towns do something constructive and file suit against the state demanding the money that you need.
stop putting worker againest workers grow up I dont see you or any of your staff taken pay cuts you are still driving around you city car even out of town.
so go ahead lay off everyone who will come to your aid and that goes for the rest of you who post think about it no police no fire no teachers is that what you realy want if so you can have rhode island
The problem with your argument is in the numbers.
How many Police or firemen are there in relation to what you call staff?

If you cut an administrative person, you save half of a cop or half of a firefighter salary. That's like pissing into a cement truck. Virtually no effect.

When times were better, we could afford to have an excessive amount of workers. Well times are not good and cutbacks are necessary EVERYWHERE !

If the cops or the FD don't want personnel cuts, then salary cuts are required. No one is saying to fire anyone. The police and firemen unions need to choose. Cut salaries or cut headcount. One or the other IS REQUIRED. Choose either A or B, there is no C.

West Warwick teachers chose. Personally I think they chose poorly. They are seeing massive layoffs.

East Providence is next to choose. Let's see if they learned anything from West Warwick.
proud union firefighter

Bristol, RI

#4 Feb 20, 2009
It's obvious Fly-Guy, you've never seen a union contract, or realize what a contract means. The blowhard mayor of North Providence, in his usual grandstanding way, is attempting to balance the budget mess that he created on the backs of the public employees. Well let me tell you, Mayor Blowhard, take a look at what's happening in Woonsocket-a judge blocked both pay cuts AND layoffs. Bottom line-honor your union contracts.

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#5 Feb 20, 2009
proud union firefighter wrote:
It's obvious Fly-Guy, you've never seen a union contract, or realize what a contract means. The blowhard mayor of North Providence, in his usual grandstanding way, is attempting to balance the budget mess that he created on the backs of the public employees. Well let me tell you, Mayor Blowhard, take a look at what's happening in Woonsocket-a judge blocked both pay cuts AND layoffs. Bottom line-honor your union contracts.
I have seen union contracts. They are userous at best. I've served on contract renview boards and listened to all the typical union threats.

It's not over in Woonsocket. Appeal to a real judge, not this union puppet Israel.

To North Providence,
Mr. Mayor, honor what you have in place, but don't renew. Tell the union to go pound sand. When they strike, which you know they will, then fire them all and rehire new blood. Remember, when a contract expires you can stand pat on the fact that these union members are NO LONGER EMPLOYED !!!
You'll have a better department in the long run.
If need be then file bankruptcy and keep fighting.

You can win this.

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#6 Feb 20, 2009
In the meantime, cut your equipment budget to zero and keep it there.
Make the firefighters use what they have.
No new gear and no new training.

And remove the electricity to the station's TV.
Pawtucket Resident

Pawtucket, RI

#7 Feb 20, 2009
grd0099 wrote:
yet another blow hard with the mouth go a head cut everyone you can and then when you have no one to protect the city Dont come preaching to the state.
you not going to be able to cut 50 percent f anything the courts will not let you. why dont you cities and towns do something constructive and file suit against the state demanding the money that you need.
stop putting worker againest workers grow up I dont see you or any of your staff taken pay cuts you are still driving around you city car even out of town.
so go ahead lay off everyone who will come to your aid and that goes for the rest of you who post think about it no police no fire no teachers is that what you realy want if so you can have rhode island
You flap your mouth all the time without any solution's. You lambaste every one who proposes cuts. Not that I want cuts but at leasts its idea. Smarten up the cities and State are broke, taxpayers are losing jobs at record pace and can not afford a tax increase! How about a solution from you! Instead of telling people no one will come when you call. We will come our engines will be light a man but we will come!!
No one really wants to cut but what are we to do? Would love to hear your solution grd0099, instead of all your hot air about a subject you know very little about.

Since: Feb 09

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#8 Feb 20, 2009
Pawtucket Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
You flap your mouth all the time without any solution's. You lambaste every one who proposes cuts. Not that I want cuts but at leasts its idea. Smarten up the cities and State are broke, taxpayers are losing jobs at record pace and can not afford a tax increase! How about a solution from you! Instead of telling people no one will come when you call. We will come our engines will be light a man but we will come!!
No one really wants to cut but what are we to do? Would love to hear your solution grd0099, instead of all your hot air about a subject you know very little about.
you are whats wrong with the union today give me give me give if you have half you fire department laid off and can still come well them maybe you dont need all the men and women on the department.

thanks for clearing that up then and i was wrong ok lay them all off who will come no one that is trained to come thats for sure.

once again no clue the sullotion we all have to work toegaheter it can t be a gimmi gimmi gimmi

Since: Feb 09

AOL

#9 Feb 20, 2009
Fly-Guy wrote:
In the meantime, cut your equipment budget to zero and keep it there.
Make the firefighters use what they have.
No new gear and no new training.
And remove the electricity to the station's TV.
ands you a idiot no new training no new equitment yea ok. lol how many names di dyou change into this week target.

Since: Feb 09

AOL

#10 Feb 20, 2009
Fly-Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
I have seen union contracts. They are userous at best. I've served on contract renview boards and listened to all the typical union threats.
It's not over in Woonsocket. Appeal to a real judge, not this union puppet Israel.
To North Providence,
Mr. Mayor, honor what you have in place, but don't renew. Tell the union to go pound sand. When they strike, which you know they will, then fire them all and rehire new blood. Remember, when a contract expires you can stand pat on the fact that these union members are NO LONGER EMPLOYED !!!
You'll have a better department in the long run.
If need be then file bankruptcy and keep fighting.
You can win this.
you have my pouint the unions can not keep doing what they are doing.

if private contractor came in and took over the departments i bet you will find the fire personal alot happier than they have been.

or if departmetns were turned over to the state and split up into county cepartments no more 8 diferent unions for each department.

a starting base pay and raised giving on the fact of how long on the job and work history like private companies.

my point other point is you can not cut fire and police presonal like the way she wants to from a city.

no judge is going to let her do that, she is wasteing towns money but then again she has been doing that since she got into office. how are those cops cyles she got from he inlaws dealer ship yea i bet fromt he money the city spent on those things and training officers to get motorcyle licences and the extra insurance that cost a pretty penny. so spending works both ways

and thats my other point then again i am misunderstood all the time anyway oh well

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#11 Feb 20, 2009
Yup,
No new training and no new equipment for the forseeable future. The Firefighters are always so willing to tell us how well trained they are.
That being the case, they shouldn't need more training, right?
There's only so many ways to fight a fire and perform EMS work. If equipment breaks, fix it, don't replace it because there's a new shiny one out there.
Cuts need to be made.
I think the Mayor should tell the judges that the people say "go screw" The judge can't arrest an entire town.
Civil disobedience. Revolution.
The people need to take back their cities and towns from the unions and the judges that the unions own.
proud union firefighter

Bristol, RI

#12 Feb 20, 2009
Once again Fly-Guy, you need to read up on the law-when a firefighters union contract expires, per Rhode Island law, both sides must abide by the expired contract until a new contract can be negotiated and ratified. Until then, the previous contract must be adhered to. Case in point would be the city of Providence, where the 2002-2005 contract was just settled through arbitration, and the firefighters are working under the rules of the last expired contract. When that contract is finally settled through arbitration, negotiations can begin on a new contract. As I said, get your facts straight before you attempt to comment on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
RI Red

Pawtucket, RI

#13 Feb 20, 2009
Maybe we should storm the state house and demand we cut the court system these judges are bankrupting our communities.....lets get rid of the judges instead of fire and police.

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#14 Feb 20, 2009
proud union firefighter wrote:
Once again Fly-Guy, you need to read up on the law-when a firefighters union contract expires, per Rhode Island law, both sides must abide by the expired contract until a new contract can be negotiated and ratified. Until then, the previous contract must be adhered to. Case in point would be the city of Providence, where the 2002-2005 contract was just settled through arbitration, and the firefighters are working under the rules of the last expired contract. When that contract is finally settled through arbitration, negotiations can begin on a new contract. As I said, get your facts straight before you attempt to comment on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
As I said before.
Go bankrupt and they all can be replaced.

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#15 Feb 20, 2009
RI Red wrote:
Maybe we should storm the state house and demand we cut the court system these judges are bankrupting our communities.....lets get rid of the judges instead of fire and police.
That would be a good place to start, but they operate under the same union contract don't they.
It appears to the casual observer that the union leadership is pulling their strings as well as the strings of the rank and file. I guess when you join a union, you have to check your common sense at the door..

I still maintain that the cities and towns need to tell the judges that they WILL NOT COMPLY.
The judges can't arrest everyone.
The unions can strike illegally, it's time for the taxpayers to play on the same playing field.

I'll enjoy having my camera guy video the activities on the field.
proud union firefighter

Bristol, RI

#16 Feb 20, 2009
Hello McFly-You state "the judges can't arrest everyone"-what in the world does that have to do with the subject at hand? What Judge Israel did was very simple-he told the idiot mayor and idiot city council in Woonsocket to ABIDE BY THE CONTRACT-very simple. Until state law changes in RI to abolish union contracts and binding arbitration, the cities and towns must OBEY THE LAW. Judge Israel's decision was not anything groundbreaking-in this state we have labor laws, and the cities and towns, by law, must follow them-pretty simple. The next idiot to find that out will be the moron mayor of North Providence when he tries to violate an existing contract. This is so simple, a kndergarten student could figure it out.

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#17 Feb 20, 2009
proud union firefighter wrote:
Hello McFly-You state "the judges can't arrest everyone"-what in the world does that have to do with the subject at hand? What Judge Israel did was very simple-he told the idiot mayor and idiot city council in Woonsocket to ABIDE BY THE CONTRACT-very simple. Until state law changes in RI to abolish union contracts and binding arbitration, the cities and towns must OBEY THE LAW. Judge Israel's decision was not anything groundbreaking-in this state we have labor laws, and the cities and towns, by law, must follow them-pretty simple. The next idiot to find that out will be the moron mayor of North Providence when he tries to violate an existing contract. This is so simple, a kndergarten student could figure it out.
Like I said, go bankrupt. The people can stand up for their community and tell the judge to put his decision where the sun doesn't shine.
That will solve everything.

Notice that at no time do I insult you.
It wouldn't be fair to you.
Go take another hit off of your air pack. You're hyperventilating at the thought of your future loss.
proud union firefighter

Bristol, RI

#18 Feb 20, 2009
McFly-You've insulted me numerous times by your ignorance, and union bashing, but that's not my point here. I suggest you go to the ri.gov website, and navigate to general laws of the State of RI, and click on RI State Law 28.9.1-1, also known as the Firefighters Arbitration Act. Fortunately, Judge Israel has read the law (unlike Don "The Moron" Carcieri and his anti-labor buddies), and it's plain and simple-any dispute in a firefighter's contract must be negotiated through binding arbitration-plain and simple. You and your fellow union hating crybabies can jump up and down and take your hissy fits, but remember-THE LAW IS THE LAW, and that's what Judge Israel based his decision upon. And as far as hyperventilating at the thought of my future loss, as I've mentioned before, I'm 42 years old with 21 years of service-I could retire with my pension, cola, and lifetime family Blue Cross tomorrow-why should I be hyperventilating?

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#19 Feb 20, 2009
proud union firefighter wrote:
McFly-You've insulted me numerous times by your ignorance, and union bashing, but that's not my point here. I suggest you go to the ri.gov website, and navigate to general laws of the State of RI, and click on RI State Law 28.9.1-1, also known as the Firefighters Arbitration Act. Fortunately, Judge Israel has read the law (unlike Don "The Moron" Carcieri and his anti-labor buddies), and it's plain and simple-any dispute in a firefighter's contract must be negotiated through binding arbitration-plain and simple. You and your fellow union hating crybabies can jump up and down and take your hissy fits, but remember-THE LAW IS THE LAW, and that's what Judge Israel based his decision upon. And as far as hyperventilating at the thought of my future loss, as I've mentioned before, I'm 42 years old with 21 years of service-I could retire with my pension, cola, and lifetime family Blue Cross tomorrow-why should I be hyperventilating?
Please do.
We'll deal with you later.

We have contract breaking to do right now.

“Ther air is cleaner up here”

Since: Feb 09

Foster, RI

#20 Feb 20, 2009
Laws were meant to be brokenn.
Isn't that rule one in the union manifesto?

You strike and it's illegal.
We'll not pay and Judge Israel can pound sand.

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