Throttlegate – Toyota Exposed

Throttlegate – Toyota Exposed

There are 28 comments on the www.wfaa.com story from Jan 30, 2010, titled Throttlegate – Toyota Exposed. In it, www.wfaa.com reports that:

One has to wonder if this is the "real" fix. Toyota said it began shipping gas pedal parts to its dealers Friday for use in fixing the millions of cars and trucks recalled because of accelerators that could become stuck.

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“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#1 Jan 30, 2010
"That's absolutely stupid," he said of sending the parts to factories. "It makes no sense at all."

Way to go Toyota... more uncertainity for your buying public...

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#2 Jan 30, 2010
Note to Toyota – Piss of your dealers, and you automatically become dead meat.
Jay

Charlotte, NC

#3 Jan 30, 2010
No it won't fix anything.This is just to get the Government to lift the halt on sales.If i owned one after the pedal was replaced i would sell it to a Dumb a$$ that thinks Toyota is perfect and can do nothing wrong.

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Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#4 Jan 31, 2010
I think GM needs to send a few techs over to Toyota so they can teach them how to flash the ECM.

Since: Apr 07

ridgefarm Il

#5 Jan 31, 2010
The other question is how they got the fix out so fast. And if toyota knew about this before, why did
they wait until now to send the fix out? But I think GM and Ford will pick up customers.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#6 Jan 31, 2010
Tom Loy wrote:
The other question is how they got the fix out so fast. And if toyota knew about this before, why did
they wait until now to send the fix out? But I think GM and Ford will pick up customers.
Couple of things going on here, but their main goal is to get the plants back up and running. I have to run but check back later and I’ll write a comprehensive explanation…

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#7 Jan 31, 2010
In a nutshell they’re not really doing anything.
Many of the complaints come from vehicles that do not even have CTS pedals, like the vehicles recalled in Europe or anything made before last year.
If they want to make their lies a bit more convincing they could start by recalling the Denso pedals as well.

Got to run be back later…

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#8 Jan 31, 2010
Better yet Tom, just read this, much easier. Basically Toyota will get the car in, and then update the software. Another one of Toyota’s shady business cover-ups. The only problem is, this time they are liable and will be settling lawsuits for the next ten years. Most likely, someone will uncover this next fiasco and it will probably bury them. Regardless, Toyota has shot so many holes through their fictional reliability and safety reputation you could drive a tundra through it. What we are dealing with is a damaged brand.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-...

Since: Apr 07

ridgefarm Il

#9 Feb 1, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
Better yet Tom, just read this, much easier. Basically Toyota will get the car in, and then update the software. Another one of Toyota’s shady business cover-ups. The only problem is, this time they are liable and will be settling lawsuits for the next ten years. Most likely, someone will uncover this next fiasco and it will probably bury them. Regardless, Toyota has shot so many holes through their fictional reliability and safety reputation you could drive a tundra through it. What we are dealing with is a damaged brand.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-...
Update the software?! This is a software mod? Toyota needs FIRE whoever does their vehicle testing then. They should hire me. I at least can write code that works.....
Wade

Brooklyn, NY

#10 Feb 1, 2010
The real cost to Toyota here is loss of future sales over the next year or two due to bad publicity. This will affect their profit, rather than accentuate their losses, as the company is still heavily capitazlized.

Tell you one thing though, I can safely say that Toyota has lost $35,000 from me.
Stop It

King City, Canada

#11 Feb 1, 2010
A thought for JJFADS:...
Now don't get this wrong--I'm not defending Toyota here,(actually could care less about the pickle they're in) but there's something about what you're doing that struck me as peculiar.

I see a strong parallel between you and Toyota.

You have steadfastly (big understatement!)accused Toyota of all sorts of dastardly deeds---mainly you claim they've not been truthful and forthright, deceiving people with spin, deception, false communication, innuendo, yada, yada, yada.

So JJ--Can you tell us what the difference is between what you're doing and what you accuse Toyota of?

Interesting question, eh?

Now I'm looking for an honest response from you--not spin, not self serving rhetoric, nothing but the truth--for a change.
Frankly, I see no difference between your actions and theirs, other than magnitude of scale)

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Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#12 Feb 1, 2010
Stop It wrote:
A thought for JJFADS:...
Now don't get this wrong--I'm not defending Toyota here,(actually could care less about the pickle they're in) but there's something about what you're doing that struck me as peculiar.
I see a strong parallel between you and Toyota.
You have steadfastly (big understatement!)accused Toyota of all sorts of dastardly deeds---mainly you claim they've not been truthful and forthright, deceiving people with spin, deception, false communication, innuendo, yada, yada, yada.
So JJ--Can you tell us what the difference is between what you're doing and what you accuse Toyota of?
Interesting question, eh?
Now I'm looking for an honest response from you--not spin, not self serving rhetoric, nothing but the truth--for a change.
Frankly, I see no difference between your actions and theirs, other than magnitude of scale)
I sincerely believe what I say. From past experience when can see Toyota has covered things up. They have brought cars into dealerships and made “quick” repairs. They have received free passes by auto journalist with regard to oil-burners, cars prone to rust, bad transmissions, sludge filled engines, cheap interiors etc.

I have an aptitude for discerning things. Sure there will be some innuendo, that’s human element for nobody can 100% guarantee the outcome of unfolding events. However, my track record is pretty good. Sure there’s going to be some comedy thrown in i.e. the Hitler connection, but I think you can discern those statements.

Remember when I said Toyota had reached their peak and would decline? I said that back in October. I was correct. Such posters as “Whatever” and “the authority” publicly scorned me. I get the last laugh.

While I’m on the topic, reports may be surfacing that link Toyota to obesity……
:)

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#13 Feb 1, 2010
Another thought that comes to mind.

Toyota fans will inadvertently tell you what they don’t like in their writing. It’s up to the reader to detect confessing underlying mind-set based upon emotion. From that one may “reload” and deepen the psychological attack i.e. mind games, or mental chess played out of the internet if you will.
THE RANT

Miami, FL

#14 Feb 1, 2010
"Throttlegate"?? WTF?? Why is any controversy now labeled a "--gate"? Watergate is the name of the building where a presidential race scandal took place. Period. No need for the media idiots to -gate every controversy that comes along.
Stop It

Windsor, Canada

#15 Feb 1, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
<quoted text>I sincerely believe what I say. From past experience when can see Toyota has covered things up. They have brought cars into dealerships and made “quick” repairs. They have received free passes by auto journalist with regard to oil-burners, cars prone to rust, bad transmissions, sludge filled engines, cheap interiors etc.
I have an aptitude for discerning things. Sure there will be some innuendo, that’s human element for nobody can 100% guarantee the outcome of unfolding events. However, my track record is pretty good. Sure there’s going to be some comedy thrown in i.e. the Hitler connection, but I think you can discern those statements.
Remember when I said Toyota had reached their peak and would decline? I said that back in October. I was correct. Such posters as “Whatever” and “the authority” publicly scorned me. I get the last laugh.
While I’m on the topic, reports may be surfacing that link Toyota to obesity……
:)
I asked for a more honest answer, but you gsve one one which went sideways.
The cold hard truth is, you and Toyota are both saying and doing more or less the same things.
Namely, your respective claims and reasoning lie somewhere between reality and fiction.
The only difference is in the order of magnitude, and the fact they speak to a far greater audience than yours and thus their actions have broader consequences.
The language and context you both utilize is more commonly used in the art of "marketing"---someth ing all auto manufacturers (and most other producers and service providers around the world) do, and who have raised the practice to a high level of calculated deception.
You'll probably protest this observation to the heavens, but it's real, and it's reality.
stb

Goleta, CA

#16 Feb 1, 2010
The only thing we know is that its an emerican supplier. some negro on crack or some mullet sporting redneck made ther parts.
I say T O Y O T A stop using domestic suppliers.
stb

Goleta, CA

#17 Feb 1, 2010
Toyota has the most loyal customers of any industry- we arent going anywhere.

If you buy a Toyota make sure the VIN starts with a J. This means its made in Japan and not by some ignorant redneck.
Jay

Charlotte, NC

#18 Feb 1, 2010
stb wrote:
The only thing we know is that its an emerican supplier. some negro on crack or some mullet sporting redneck made ther parts.
I say T O Y O T A stop using domestic suppliers.
The part was designed and approved by Toyota,It was also Toyota's decision to not disengage the accelerator when the brake was applied as a safety...An entirely stupid decision
Jay

Charlotte, NC

#19 Feb 1, 2010
Toyota announces next years model name change to the "Lexus Kamikaze"

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#20 Feb 1, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
I asked for a more honest answer, but you gsve one one which went sideways.
The cold hard truth is, you and Toyota are both saying and doing more or less the same things.
Namely, your respective claims and reasoning lie somewhere between reality and fiction.
The only difference is in the order of magnitude, and the fact they speak to a far greater audience than yours and thus their actions have broader consequences.
The language and context you both utilize is more commonly used in the art of "marketing"---someth ing all auto manufacturers (and most other producers and service providers around the world) do, and who have raised the practice to a high level of calculated deception.
You'll probably protest this observation to the heavens, but it's real, and it's reality.
Incorrect – damn near everything I have said has come true. You do the math and worry not about the reasons why.

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