Toyota now the choice for buyers, emp...

Toyota now the choice for buyers, employees

There are 127 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Apr 24, 2007, titled Toyota now the choice for buyers, employees. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

John Mettler lost his machine operator's job in a struggling Fort Wayne axle plant in 2000 and figured he'd never find secure Indiana factory work again.

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Revenge is Sweet

Independence, KY

#1 Apr 25, 2007
On Dec. 7, 1941, the United States of America was attacked by the Japanese military. America was caught flat-footed; we were way behind in materials,
men, training, logistics, and the plain art of fighting a war. After Pearl Harbor was bombed, President Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered Auto manufacturers to stop producing cars for domestic use. The last cars rolled off the assembly lines in early 1942 as automakers converted their factories to make war products such as ambulances, tanks,
trucks, jeeps bombers, guns, engines and ammunition. Detroit ranked No.1 in the nation in war production. The Detroit metropolitan area produced 70 percent of Michigan’s total output. Automakers dominated war production.
The Big Three Automakers and their suppliers produced $30 billion worth of military equipment from 1942 to 1945. Hundreds of thousands of UAW
members that included your aunts, great aunts, moms and grand moms worked in plants (alongside of men) building bombers, tanks, and trucks at a great sacrifice to their family. They were known as Rosie the Riveters. Their mission: to defeat the Japanese
who attacked us with their kamikaze pilots at Pearl Harbor.
Yet today, the majority of Americans are helping the Japanese defeat the very Autoworkers and UAW Union that stood in the gap for America and help
them defeat the Japanese who attacked us without provocation. They unmercifully attack union people as no good and useless. Even though it was the
union people of the Big Three that helped defeat the Japanese Army. Even though thousands of union people fought and died in the wars since World War II
Today, thousands of union people are fighting and putting their lives on the line in Iraq, for Americans like you and I, yet, many Americans are buying Japanese cars at record pace. How many Japanese do you see driving American cars? Not many. Japanese people are loyal to their nation and to their culture, unlike many Americans. Yet we see specialty license plates on some of these Japanese cars depicting our armed forces. How can some of our veterans dishonor those soldiers that fought or died
at the hands of the Japanese during World War II by helping the Japanese destroy the very companies and people who supported and helped our soldiers to defeat the Japanese in World War II.
To every American who is supporting the American car companies and their employees by buying their products. Thank you for supporting us, our families, our communities and those who have benefited in our communities by auto workers
spending their paychecks at local businesses supporting their communities and neighbors.
To you Americans who have bought Japanese, you should be ashamed of yourself, for the hundreds of thousands of job losses (union and non-union jobs) at the Big Three. You should be ashamed of yourself for the hundreds of thousands of job losses in our
communities. You have affected waitresses, bank tellers, retail employees, small businesses (going bankrupt), communities and schools that have had to cut back in essential services, because of the loss of tax revenue, created by the loss of over 400,000 jobs in the Big Three and thousands of jobs by their suppliers. You should be ashamed of yourselves for all the hardships you have brought to blue collar families (union and non-union). You should be ashamed of yourself for helping the Japanese defeat the Big Three. The war is over, the Japanese smell victory over the Big Three Automakers, that brought defeat to them in World War II. Revenge is complete for Japan. One last thought, how many Japanese citizens are fighting and dying for you in Iraq today?
Revenge is for idiots

Newark, OH

#2 Apr 25, 2007
War's over dude. Move out of Kokomo and see what the real world is like. Kokomo is a bubble world where people think that UAW is still king.
Jay

United States

#3 Apr 25, 2007
GM builds junk. Bad management and greedy unions.

GM doesn't itself even build a high-mileage car, the Chevy Aveo is built in Korea by Daewoo.
bill

Erlanger, KY

#4 Apr 25, 2007
UNIONS ARE THE REASON THIS HAS HAPPENED, REVENGE !! AMERICAN AUTOMAKERS DID THIS TO THEMSELVES BY PAYING HIGH WAGES TO EMPLOYEES SO THEY COULD TIGHTEN ONE BOLT AN HOUR AND STAY HOME 2 OR 3 DAYS A WEEK WHILE THEIR FELLOW EMPLOYEES AND FOREMEN CLOCKED THEM IN AND OUT !! DON'T DENY IT...IT HAPPENS NATION WIDE !! AND YES THE WAR IS OVER !! MY DAD FOUGHT IN FRANCE AND AFRICA IN WWII AND NOW DRIVES A LEXUS...WHY ?...BECAUSE HE WANTS A CAR THAT DOESN'T FALL APART !!!!!!!!!!
ssa

Lexington, KY

#5 Apr 25, 2007
When parts and automobiles are made overseas, and then sold in the US, not one penny goes into the social security trust funds. So when you buy foreign manufactured products, you are removing money from your own social security, as well as, removing jobs from fellow US citizens. Get it??
Of course

Fishers, IN

#6 Apr 25, 2007
The UAW is a thing of the past. That was 60 years ago, get over it you loser.
Calvin

United States

#7 Apr 25, 2007
Way to go all you caring Americans.... You all are so smart, why would you want to support Corporate Japan instead of Corporate America..... Tell me why you would want to do that??? We need to support our own country, we are in catastrophic debt, buy an American named vehicle, please..
Love my Matrix

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Apr 25, 2007
I'm not a baby-boomer, I'm a 27 year old woman with a masters degree, and I love my Toyota Matrix. In fact, I've owned Chevys and GM (Saturn) and nothing has been more reliable than my Toyota.

I'm definitely a Toyota buyer for life, so I have no idea where their crazy analysts are saying that we "designer jean wearing" generation want to all drive H2s or Beamers. Sorry, I actually like getting 30+ mpg and not killing the environment!
steve

Carmel, IN

#9 Apr 25, 2007
Wow - Revenge, you need to start living in the future. The toyotas and hondas of the world are 10 times better than anything made in US (technically a lot US cars are not even made in the US anymore). Do you not see the relation of Unions to poorly made cars?

And take a look at NASCAR, it is only a matter of time before NASCAR starts winning. GO TOYOTA!!!
Jonstew

Waynesboro, PA

#10 Apr 25, 2007
ssa wrote:
When parts and automobiles are made overseas, and then sold in the US, not one penny goes into the social security trust funds. So when you buy foreign manufactured products, you are removing money from your own social security, as well as, removing jobs from fellow US citizens. Get it??
Most Toyota's are made in this country at plants like the one in Princeton, IN. If you want to be on this soap box go tell companys like Wal-Mart to quite buying every product they sell in China and Asia. Most people don't realize that 25% of all goods imported from China into the the U.S. are bought by good ole Wal-Mart.
sad

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Apr 25, 2007
Of course wrote:
The UAW is a thing of the past. That was 60 years ago, get over it you loser.
look who's talking
Happy Toyota Driver

Indianapolis, IN

#13 Apr 25, 2007
I have owned a couple of American cars... pure junk. I'm now leasing a Toyota, and couldn't be happier. By far the best car I've ever had. I've always loved how so many folks preach the gloabl free market and how it works, yet lecture you for choosing a Japanese car. I do plan, however, on purchasing this car laster this year (although I'm not sure that you could call it American):
http://www.smartusa.com
GM LOSERS

Palo Alto, CA

#14 Apr 25, 2007
GM MAKES CRAP. aND WHERE ARE THEIR HYBRIDS? THEY ARE SO FRA BEHIND THE CURVE THAT IT'S INCREDIBLE. CONSUMER REPORTS CALLED THEIR CAVALIER "THE WORST CAR WE'VE EVER TESTED"!!!!

CHYRSLER MAKES CRAP. THEY DON'T MAKE ONE CAR THAT I WOULD BUY. THE CHRYSLER 300 LOOKS LIKE A BRICK, AS DOES THE CHARGER, SEBRING, ETC. THE DODGE CALIBRE IS AN ABOMINATION.

FORD MAKES CRAP. THEIR ONLY GOOD CARS ARE THE ONES THAT THEY BUILD ON THE MAZDA 6 CHASSIS THAT THEY BUY FROM MAZDA - THE FUSION, THE MKZ, THE EDGE. WHY CAN'T FORD DESIGN THEIR OWN CHASSIS? ARE THEY REALLY THAT STUPID?

WHY IS IT OKAY FOR GM/FORD/CHRYSLER TO BUY FOREIGN PARTS, BUT AMERICAN CONSUMERS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BUY FOREIGN CARS?

WHY IS IT OKAY FOR GM TO MANUFACTURE IN MEXICO, BUT WE CAN'T BUY FOREIGN?????
Happy Toyota Driver

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Apr 25, 2007
Love my Matrix wrote:
I'm not a baby-boomer, I'm a 27 year old woman with a masters degree, and I love my Toyota Matrix. In fact, I've owned Chevys and GM (Saturn) and nothing has been more reliable than my Toyota.
I'm definitely a Toyota buyer for life, so I have no idea where their crazy analysts are saying that we "designer jean wearing" generation want to all drive H2s or Beamers. Sorry, I actually like getting 30+ mpg and not killing the environment!
Well said... I'm a 27 year-old male, and make enough money to afford one of those status symbols on wheels, but I think for many in our generation, it just isn't our style.
GM LOSERS

Palo Alto, CA

#16 Apr 25, 2007
Calvin wrote:
Way to go all you caring Americans.... You all are so smart, why would you want to support Corporate Japan instead of Corporate America..... Tell me why you would want to do that??? We need to support our own country, we are in catastrophic debt, buy an American named vehicle, please..
I BOUGHT AN AMERICAN CAR IN 1994. A GM MINIVAN.

THE TRANSMISSION WENT OUT AT 63,000 MILES - NO WARRANTY.

THE PAINT CAME OFF THE ROOF ABOUT THE SAME TIME.

WHILE SITTING AT A STOPLIGHT, THE SUN-VISOR FELL OFF AND FELL INTO MY LAP.

THE DSAHBOARD BECAME UNGLUED. WHATY KIND OF COMPANY GLUES A DASHBOARD THAT SITS OUT IN THE HOT SUNLIGHT ALL DAY?????

A MERE CHUCKHOLE BENT THE FRONT SUSPENSION, AND COST ME $1700....AND THAT WAS BACK IN 1996.

I GOT TIRED OF PAYING REPAIR BILLS FOR A TWO YEAR OLD CAR THAT WERE MORE THAN THE LOAN PAYMENTS EVERY MOMNTH. A TWO YEAR OLD CAR WITH LESS THAN 70,000 MILES!!!!!!

THINK I'LL EVER BUY AMERICAN AGAIN?

EVER?????

I HAVE NOW OWNED AN ACCORD FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND HAVE NEVER HAD TO PAY FOR ANY NON-ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. NONE.

MY WIFE DRIVES A PRIUS, AND GETS 48 MILES PER GALLON. WHERE'S GM'S HYBRID THAT GETS 48 MPG? WHERE'S CHRYSLER'S? WHERE'S FORDS?

GM/FORD/CHRYSLER MAKES CRAP, YET YOU EXPECT US TO BUY CRAP?

WE'RE TOO SMART FOR THAT.

AT LEAST THE PEOPLE THAT I PAID TO BUILD MY ACCORD LIVE IN OHIO. THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT YOUR "AMERICAN" CAR LIVE IN MEXICO, AS DO THE PEOPLE WHO BUILD THE ENGINES, PARTS, ETC. THANKS FOR GIVING THEM YOUR AMERICAN DOLLARS, HYPOCRITES!!!!
Jonstew

Waynesboro, PA

#17 Apr 25, 2007
Actually Mr. "Revenge is Sweet" you need to read up on your history a bit, much like today the Japanese were unhappy that we (the U.S.) would not keep our nose out of their affairs with an oil embargo we imposed because we did not agree with their long standing conflict with China. It has also been noted that both Churchhill and Roosevelt were made aware of this attack before it commenced. Also the Japanese were looking to the Dutch East Indies for oil and other supplies but knowing the U.S. would fight back if they did they struck the first blow. What they did was horrible and I think no one will agrue that point but this country has done plenty to others that is far from good too, By your logic Native Americans nor African Americans should buy U.S. made cars....we did some pretty awful stuff to them too. The Japanese auto makers are investing in our country and build a lot of their products here and oddly enough Toyota even sold rebadged Chevrolet Cavaliers in Japan for years as Toyota Cavaliers, it's not a one way street. The Corvette is it's own brand in Japan and is quite popular. I doubt that Toyota will keep this distintion for too long as they are now suffering from the quality control that has plagued GM for years due to growing too big too fast.
Question 4 Revenge

Indianapolis, IN

#18 Apr 25, 2007
How much do the UAW "bosses" at each facility make a year, who pays them and what do the workers receive in return other than fewer jobs? Greed killed the UAW.
Rena Martin

Carmel, IN

#20 Apr 25, 2007
ssa wrote:
When parts and automobiles are made overseas, and then sold in the US, not one penny goes into the social security trust funds. So when you buy foreign manufactured products, you are removing money from your own social security, as well as, removing jobs from fellow US citizens. Get it??
News Flash!!! Ford and GM also get parts that are made outside the country. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find anything that is truly "American made" from beginning to end. Get your head out of the sand. Toyota and Honda are also making their cars HERE, not making them oversees and transporting them here... And don't the salespeople who sell the cars here put into SS?? This is a ignorant argument.

“I am, therefore I think. ”

Since: Apr 07

Indy

#21 Apr 25, 2007
The "big three" US automakers are all but done for. The only one that stands a chance right now is GM. The rest are finished. Ford is about to go tits up, and Chrysler is about to be dumped by the Germans, who are smart and know when to get out.

Working for a manufacturing company that makes parts for Subaru and Mitsubishi I know these companies use US parts. Same with Toyota and Honda. So if you want to complain about that, it is irrelevant. Companies like mine have benefited from their coming to America.

As for the UAW. It is all your fault. Seriously. You are the laziest bunch of "workers" ever assembled. Whatever message of US "made in America" solidarity you once had has shifted to "I deserve more money and to work less". Thanks for ruining our automakers. How can we compete when an entry level worker makes over $15/hr? I hope you all get your pensions taken.
Think again

Indianapolis, IN

#22 Apr 25, 2007
The problem with so many of these emotional arguments is that they just aren’t true.

The truth is that my Honda was built in Ohio, with 87% domestic parts. That’s better than many “American” cars.

Furthermore, many so called “American” car companies are really multi-national. Ford owns a big stake in Mazda and several other car companies—for example.

Also my Ford F150 was an import—it was made in Canada, a foreign country, with a manual transmission that came from Mazda and an ignition system and fuel injection system that was made by Bosh. Nonetheless, I bet you all thought that a macho Ford F150 was American…Wrong.

As for the Union/Non-Union issue: Unions did a lot of good for workers in this country. Part of the reason that we have many of the benefits that we all enjoy is because of unions. However, things are changing rapidly. The truth is that many of the new auto plants are paying well, have reasonable benefits and don’t need a union.

Rather than continuing to talk about Pearl Harbor, perhaps it’s time to start talking about how the unions can remain relevant in today’s workforce and marketplace. There is a saying that the military is always fighting the last battle instead of the one in front of them. That seems to be the case with unions also. It would be a shame if American workers were so busy fighting an old battle that they missed out on the opportunities of today and tomorrow.

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