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There are 51 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from Nov 30, 2009, titled Miscommunication may have led to painting over $2,500 mural at .... In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

It was hard for artist Christian Aldereteto describe his feelings Monday after seeing a blank wall where he had recently completed a colorful 60-foot city funded mural on a Northwest Pasadena storefront.

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Jumping Jim

Los Angeles, CA

#41 Dec 2, 2009
I thought the city of Pasadena was supposed to be broke, and yet they spending a lot of money of these so called murals, that are just one level above gang graffiti. That mural was grotesque, if that is called art.

Jumping Jim

Los Angeles, CA

#42 Dec 2, 2009
Humberto wrote:
That was a nice looking mural. Much nicer than some of the pieces in East L.A. But just the same, murals in general are tacky and make the neighborhood look cheep. And when the murals are Mayan, Aztec, Chicano, etc, it's like the neighborhood is being tagged by a whole race, not just a gang. And the bantu water serpent, what a crock, that didn't look like any African art styles I am familiar with. I agree with Bill, if there should be any tribute to the history of Pasadena, it should be one of the local NORTHERN Ute Aztec tribes, not Southern.
Very true what you say,'murals in general are tacky and make a neighborhood look cheap'. In decent neighborhoods, you don't see these things.
Art

United States

#43 Dec 2, 2009
Jumping Jim wrote:
I thought the city of Pasadena was supposed to be broke, and yet they spending a lot of money of these so called murals, that are just one level above gang graffiti. That mural was grotesque, if that is called art.
Gee Jim, you sure do have a lot of time on your hands dont you? Either you are very bored, bitter or malicious, or maybe all of the above; becuase you seem to be obsessed with badmouthing a piece of public art intended to beautify a wall that was marred with gang tags on a weekly basis. You also seem to have little grasp of what gang tagging looks like, as well as what the term art usually connotes.

Maybe you and humberto can claim ignorance on this one, but some of the nicest areas in this city and any other have large prominent pieces of art. Go to any catalog of public art in Los Angeles and count how many more pieces or art and murals are located in West LA and Santa Monica than any working class barrio. I would assume that you, like many of the other trolls that frequent these boards, have a bad case of being able to only speak negatively of things, especially those that are representative of a culture that you are hostile towards. Because otherwise, your rants make little sense.

Try to take you meds on time please, itll do you some good.
Jack

Smith River, CA

#44 Dec 3, 2009
Sometimes a "solution," which looks good "on paper," can actually make things worse. Read how at Pasadena Sub Rosa blog:
http://pasadenasubrosa.typepad.com/pasadena_s...
Jumping Jim

Los Angeles, CA

#45 Dec 3, 2009
Art wrote:
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Gee Jim, you sure do have a lot of time on your hands dont you? Either you are very bored, bitter or malicious, or maybe all of the above; becuase you seem to be obsessed with badmouthing a piece of public art intended to beautify a wall that was marred with gang tags on a weekly basis. You also seem to have little grasp of what gang tagging looks like, as well as what the term art usually connotes.
Maybe you and humberto can claim ignorance on this one, but some of the nicest areas in this city and any other have large prominent pieces of art. Go to any catalog of public art in Los Angeles and count how many more pieces or art and murals are located in West LA and Santa Monica than any working class barrio. I would assume that you, like many of the other trolls that frequent these boards, have a bad case of being able to only speak negatively of things, especially those that are representative of a culture that you are hostile towards. Because otherwise, your rants make little sense.
Try to take you meds on time please, itll do you some good.
Any time you are in a strange neighborhood and see graffiti or murals (one step above graffiti), that is a clear warning sign 'Danger Get Out', you are in a bad area.

I am glad that mural was painted over, it was an eyesore.
James

United States

#46 Dec 3, 2009
Art is subjective. Not everybody has the same taste. And public art comes with a hazard that you will offend some people. Just because somebody doesn’t like Mayan art, it does not make them bitter. This particular piece was mediocre at best. It does not compare to the level of quality that is found in and around Los Angeles.

IMHO, Murals are only appropriate on walls with no architectural elements. I.e. the sides of 1940s era buildings in downtown, or on freeway underpasses. This particular store front is what I would consider a less than appropriate location for a mural. And that poor choice of location. It diminishes what little artistic merit the mural may have possessed.
Mahajohn

Washington, DC

#47 Dec 3, 2009
That "murals are only appropriate on walls with no architectural elements" is your *humble* opinion? Really? That sounds quite smug and blanketing to me! What is an "architectural element?" Walls and bricks aren't "architectural?" Are you suggesting that a tacky molding above a wall is analogous to the ornamentataion found at Notre Dame? Or that perhaps a blank, mouth-wateringly primed wall in a city in California is sacred, holy and untouchable by mere muralists?
James

United States

#48 Dec 3, 2009
More quality art work from Christian Alderete http://www.theraretimes.com/media/art/artarch...
James

Concord, CA

#49 Dec 3, 2009
Mahajohn wrote:
That "murals are only appropriate on walls with no architectural elements" is your *humble* opinion? Really? That sounds quite smug and blanketing to me! What is an "architectural element?" Walls and bricks aren't "architectural?" Are you suggesting that a tacky molding above a wall is analogous to the ornamentataion found at Notre Dame? Or that perhaps a blank, mouth-wateringly primed wall in a city in California is sacred, holy and untouchable by mere muralists?
Smug? Smug as in self satisfied? I don't understand how that can be smug.

The walls of this building have a distinct horizontal feature. This may not be impressive. But this is an art deco design element. The building may have been an inexpensive building to begin with, but the builder tried to break up a monotonous blank wall with these horizontal lines. So yes, this is not the best platform for a mural.

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Jennifer

Los Angeles, CA

#50 Dec 3, 2009
James wrote:
More quality art work from Christian Alderete http://www.theraretimes.com/media/art/artarch...
Wow, glad you know how to use google.
Art

United States

#51 Dec 7, 2009
James wrote:
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Smug? Smug as in self satisfied? I don't understand how that can be smug.
The walls of this building have a distinct horizontal feature. This may not be impressive. But this is an art deco design element. The building may have been an inexpensive building to begin with, but the builder tried to break up a monotonous blank wall with these horizontal lines. So yes, this is not the best platform for a mural.
http://sgvtribune.mycapture.com/mycapture/enl...
Apparently to you the presevervation of horizontal lines on a wall full of tagging is more important than public art mean to compliment the overall vernacular of the building. Of the 2 artists mentioned, one is areal estate appraiser and the other is an urban planner, both trained in architectural elements.
If you didnt notice, the 2 trees at the corner are meant to work with the architecture, something the pockmarked wall full of graffiti buff coat did nothing for before the mural was painted. Horizontal lines also are not indicative of art deco architecture, furthermore this building is of no architectural significance, mind you I helped craft historic preservation ordinances for significant architecture for several local cities.
Unless there is some outstanding case of architectural excellence, I do not understand the want to preserve a wall that was filled with gang tagging on a weekly basis simply because of horizontal lines. This is in NW Pasadena, an area with numerous examples of historic architecture that needs to be preserved. This wall being beautified, with a composition intended to highlight the main architectural elements of the edifice nonetheless, is a positive for the community and building owner.

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