Rail Terminal Project for Harborcreek Dead

There are 62 comments on the WICU12 Erie story from May 12, 2014, titled Rail Terminal Project for Harborcreek Dead. In it, WICU12 Erie reports that:

The ongoing din of opposition from residents of Harborcreek Township over a proposed cargo rail terminal has apparently proven to be too much for supporters, who announced today those plans are being abandoned.

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discusted

North East, PA

#1 May 12, 2014
So now that they have stopped the rail terminal from going forward I hope that they realize how much they took from the community. No one is going to have to worry about keeping Harborcreek beautiful for our children and grandchildren because they are all going to have to move because there are going to be no jobs. It was great for all of the retired people in the community to have the opportunities of past manufacturers come in and bring jobs when they needed them. The rail terminal would have brought more businesses to the area that in turn would have brought more jobs. Do you want Harborcreek to go no where or do you want to create jobs for some of our children and grandchildren? Some community people say they want to keep Harborcreek beautiful. Well, where they wanted to put the terminal is zoned business district... and as far as I can see there is nothing beautiful over there. Everyone wants to whine about having to wait for more trains or they may have to drive a little further to go over Nagel bridge.. Oh boo hoo... It all boils down to this
No Rail Terminal + No Change = NO JOBS
Eldridge Van Snootigen

Bolivar, OH

#3 May 13, 2014
The whole country is dying...parasitism is the cause. Start digging your grave...orvdo you expect somebody to do it for you
u r an azz

Erie, PA

#5 May 13, 2014
Yea- 40 jobs! What a dumb idea from the beginning.
Nasty

Erie, PA

#6 May 13, 2014
More dollar discount stores. More part time counter service jobs. That's the future for you Erie. Enjoy.
D Duke

Meadville, PA

#7 May 13, 2014
Keep Harborcreek beautiful? Since when? The short sighted aholes interviewed for the ETN are the typical not in my backyard mentality. Perhaps the fact that the jobs produced would not have been minimum wage disturbed the residents. Saving a rinky dink car repair shop is definitely doing more for the area than a rail terminal would have. As far as the dork mowing his lawn, no comment.
The Situation

Pittsburgh, PA

#8 May 13, 2014
This project would have leveraged a lot more development and more employment for all of Erie County. These intermodal facilities are being built all over the country as freight traffic grows and grows. Pittsburgh already has two and a third is being built outside the city along the Ohio River to connect barge, train and truck modes together.

These jobs would have been both blue and white collar with additional employment in ancillary suppliers and vendors in the area. Too bad that the NIMBY crowd prevailed.

As the economy continues to grow, these facilities are going to be more important for transportation of goods.
STILL

Erie, PA

#9 May 13, 2014
will someone tell me why the rail terminal cant be built on east 12th street just 1/2 mile from the bayfront connector in an area already full of industry.

or lets build it in your back yard. john Elliot supposedly paid 1.6 million for the harborcreek site before anything else was done. who owed who a favor...

lets follow that money and see if he is related to someone other than rich hall the former zoning dude for H-Creek.

something was all wrong with the h-creek site followed with a bunch of lies about the exact amount of truck traffic and road blockages.
Eldridge Van Snootigen

Bolivar, OH

#10 May 13, 2014
I won't be workin' on the railroad... eries new song !
Eldridge Van Snootigen

Bolivar, OH

#11 May 13, 2014
where is crank the logistics genius when we need him ?
Erie Observer

United States

#12 May 13, 2014
discusted wrote:
So now that they have stopped the rail terminal from going forward I hope that they realize how much they took from the community. No one is going to have to worry about keeping Harborcreek beautiful for our children and grandchildren because they are all going to have to move because there are going to be no jobs. It was great for all of the retired people in the community to have the opportunities of past manufacturers come in and bring jobs when they needed them. The rail terminal would have brought more businesses to the area that in turn would have brought more jobs. Do you want Harborcreek to go no where or do you want to create jobs for some of our children and grandchildren? Some community people say they want to keep Harborcreek beautiful. Well, where they wanted to put the terminal is zoned business district... and as far as I can see there is nothing beautiful over there. Everyone wants to whine about having to wait for more trains or they may have to drive a little further to go over Nagel bridge.. Oh boo hoo... It all boils down to this
No Rail Terminal + No Change = NO JOBS
Discusted?....I think you mean disgusted! Anyway I responded to this quote you posted using your other name "STACY" on another thread about this topic.
hmmm

Cleveland, OH

#13 May 13, 2014
Harborcreek is the armpit of Erie County. Not sure what these rednecks think they are protecting. They are pulling down the entire region with them.
what da hell

United States

#14 May 13, 2014
hmmm wrote:
Harborcreek is the armpit of Erie County. Not sure what these rednecks think they are protecting. They are pulling down the entire region with them.


Really , you ever been through Wattsburg ?
bob

Erie, PA

#15 May 13, 2014
hmmm,

Harborcreek an armpit??? look where you live dirtbag, how much you make selling crack and yo mamma?
STILL

Erie, PA

#16 May 13, 2014
just found this on go erie

Potential for oil spills prompt visit by CSX Safety Train

The CSX Safety Train, an oil-focused safety program that features rolling classrooms and specialized hands-on training, is headed for Erie.

The train tour will begin in Mid-May, visiting communities in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. Along with Buffalo and Cleveland, Erie is listed as a specific stop.

“Our enhanced training program offers firefighters, police officers, emergency medical technicians and other first responders insights on how railcars work and how to deal with rail incidents,” said CSX Vice President, Public Safety, Health and Environment Skip Elliott.

The CSX Safety Train is comprised of a locomotive, four tank cars, one flat car equipped with a variety of tank car valves and fittings, two classroom cars, and a caboose. CSX hazardous material specialists will lead training sessions for first responders.

The training is an apparent response to growing concerns about safety as the volume of oil being shipped on our nation’s railroads continues to rise.

U.S. railroads carried nearly 234,000 carloads of crude oil in 2012, compared with 9,500 in 2008., according to the Association of American Railroads.

WONDER if Vice President, Public Safety, Health and Environment Skip Elliott.
is related to John Elliot of develop Erie

now if the Erie Times had a reporter that could actually investigate something.......
Mr Wrong

Philadelphia, PA

#17 May 13, 2014
There are lots of other suitable areas that this project could have developed besides Harborcreek. How about the old driving range that was supposed be developed into a juice factory? Pretty much anywhere on East 12th street from the Bayfront to GE.
Ghost of Mario Bagnoni

Erie, PA

#18 May 13, 2014
Mr Wrong wrote:
There are lots of other suitable areas that this project could have developed besides Harborcreek. How about the old driving range that was supposed be developed into a juice factory? Pretty much anywhere on East 12th street from the Bayfront to GE.
You mean that juice plant isn't here yet ? What about that rat poison I tried to stop in our water supply ? While I'm on it, are the pot holes filled in from last winter ?
creek er

Bronx, NY

#19 May 13, 2014
See you in downtown Harborcreek. Beautiful. Scenic. Leave your car doors open at night. Walk from shop to shop. Tourists everywhere. Lots of start-ups. Young people everywhere. Nobody wants to move out.
In the know hobo joe

Erie, PA

#20 May 13, 2014
u r an azz wrote:
Yea- 40 jobs! What a dumb idea from the beginning.
More like 5 jobs after all's said and done. Would of hardly been worth the effort to even machete a path across the trax to Sheetz. Oh well. Where's a hobo to go?
Zugzwang

Erie, PA

#21 May 13, 2014
Just imagine what this town would be like if the NIMBY crowd would've been around to oppose Zurn, Lords, Plastek and/or GE from coming to Erie. The mentality has been to sit back and wait for GE, and the other listed companies to bring MORE jobs to the region or at least bring back the ones that were lost. For those who haven't figured it out yet; It's not going to happen!
The whole "traffic problem" scare would've been solved over time because increased commerce = increased revenue from taxes = bridges being built to solve the problem. Every time this region attempts to pick itself up from impending doom, it manages to kick its own legs out and fall into a deeper hole. Who remembers the Riverboat gambling idea from the late '80's/early '90's? The idea came at a time when no one had any gambling other than the lottery and bingo. It was opposed due to a perceived increase in gambling addiction, failed marriages, drugs, loan sharking, prostitution and violent crime. Other areas nearby picked up with similar ideas with gambling and those who were the first, cashed in. 15 years after the fact, Erie gets a casino anyway? Lot of good it did now that the area is saturated with places to gamble. Funny thing is that the area still saw an increase in failed marriages, drugs, prostitution and violent crime without the riverboat gambling.
Perhaps if we all join hands and think hard enough, more jobs will magically appear!
edge

Singapore

#22 May 13, 2014
discusted wrote:
So now that they have stopped the rail terminal from going forward I hope that they realize how much they took from the community. No one is going to have to worry about keeping Harborcreek beautiful for our children and grandchildren because they are all going to have to move because there are going to be no jobs. It was great for all of the retired people in the community to have the opportunities of past manufacturers come in and bring jobs when they needed them. The rail terminal would have brought more businesses to the area that in turn would have brought more jobs. Do you want Harborcreek to go no where or do you want to create jobs for some of our children and grandchildren? Some community people say they want to keep Harborcreek beautiful. Well, where they wanted to put the terminal is zoned business district... and as far as I can see there is nothing beautiful over there. Everyone wants to whine about having to wait for more trains or they may have to drive a little further to go over Nagel bridge.. Oh boo hoo... It all boils down to this
No Rail Terminal + No Change = NO JOBS
Build it and they will come. Sorry, you’ve confused a movie theme with reality.
There are intermodal rail terminals in many locations across the US. The majority of the time railroads build their own. The rare occasion that a private company builds an intermodal is because they have a designated customer to serve. CSX and NS both provide rail service to Erie. They know the market and provide the services that are needed. Would a million dollar side loader work in Erie? Maybe. CSX doesn’t see that as being a good investment.
All that's needed is a new location. Instead Elliott said no way to a new location. That says a lot about the real support for this project.
Companies that had signed up to use the Erie intermodal or pledged support? 0
Becoming a logistics hub just because a rail terminal is built is a bit of a stretch.
How many cargo planes are landing a week at Ridge Field?
Build it and they will come.

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