Our view: Bring back Erie's fireworks...

Our view: Bring back Erie's fireworks in 2012

There are 21 comments on the GoErie story from Jun 12, 2011, titled Our view: Bring back Erie's fireworks in 2012. In it, GoErie reports that:

For 22 years, Erie residents congregated on the main campus of Mercyhurst College to celebrate an "Old-Fashioned Fourth of July," as the college christened its festivities.

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Concerned Citizen

Cleveland, OH

#1 Jun 13, 2011
Great job Mr. Mayor.
Angela

Erie, PA

#2 Jun 13, 2011
WOW a 5 minute fireworks display at Waldameer just doesn't cut it for the 4th of July. It is really sad and embarrassing that the City can't afford to do anything to celebrate our independence. I am pretty certain that there was no attempt whatsoever to get sponsors this year and there probably won't be next year either. Government runs way to slow and nothing gets done besides sitting at one's desk playing solitare on the computer.
CRANK

Erie, PA

#3 Jun 14, 2011
Generally speaking society pays to celebrate what they value. Our independence apparently doesn't quality. If your doubt that, check out a rerun of Meet the Press from Sunday and listen to the moderators questions.
TaxNoMore

United States

#4 Jun 14, 2011
Angela wrote:
WOW a 5 minute fireworks display at Waldameer just doesn't cut it for the 4th of July. It is really sad and embarrassing that the City can't afford to do anything to celebrate our independence. I am pretty certain that there was no attempt whatsoever to get sponsors this year and there probably won't be next year either. Government runs way to slow and nothing gets done besides sitting at one's desk playing solitare on the computer.
A $60.4 million budget to manage a city of 100,000 (about 20 square miles)

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Wages and benefits for

638.6 employees

$59,175,547.00(MILLIONS)

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$92,664.50 Average per year, per employee

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98% of the budget for 2% of the people

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Union thugs can't take a 5% cut?

Union thugs gone WILD!!!!
TaxNoMore

United States

#5 Jun 14, 2011
"The college, however, did donate $75,000 to the city of Erie in 2010, which went to public safety equipment and vehicles."

A $60.4 million budget to manage a city of 100,000 (about 20 square miles)

**********

Wages and benefits for

638.6 employees

$59,175,547.00(MILLIONS)

**********

$92,664.50 Average per year, per employee

**********

98% of the budget for 2% of the people

**********

Union thugs can't take a 5% cut?

Union thugs gone WILD!!!!
What

Erie, PA

#6 Jun 14, 2011
I find it odd that the same people bitching about police wages would have no problem paying them double time and a half for working a special fireworks event. Do you know how much extra security is needed for that event? I thought you people are strongly against police earning any extra money?

I thought everyone wanted the City to cut wasteful spending?

How about the City pave the damn streets first, then worry about immaterial things such as fireworks?
Concerned Citizen

Cleveland, OH

#7 Jun 14, 2011
I've heard that almost half of all city employees do not live in city limits nor pay city taxes. Same with ESD employees. Ever notice how many ESD teachers send their kids to catholic schools? What does that tell you about the state of education in our city?
Nasty

Erie, PA

#8 Jun 14, 2011
Concerned Citizen wrote:
I've heard that almost half of all city employees do not live in city limits nor pay city taxes. Same with ESD employees. Ever notice how many ESD teachers send their kids to catholic schools? What does that tell you about the state of education in our city?
Many Erie School district teachers and administrators do indeed send their own kids to private and parochial schools. They know better than any one what's going on within the school district that pays them their salaries. When you know them and talk to them privately they will admit the farce the entire Erie district is. They will also tell you they know it will only get worse and that they have circled the wagons some time ago caring first and foremost about their own welfare. Of course they are wise enough to keep this to themselves when they are around their bosses and those whom they cannot trust.But in confidence among those they know won't name names most Erie teachers could not give a dead rats behind about anything but their own security and time. Can't say I blame them either.The deplorable state and quality of kids coming into these schools each day is enough to suck the soul out of anybody.
Lynn

Erie, PA

#9 Jun 14, 2011
What wrote:
I find it odd that the same people bitching about police wages would have no problem paying them double time and a half for working a special fireworks event. Do you know how much extra security is needed for that event? I thought you people are strongly against police earning any extra money?
I thought everyone wanted the City to cut wasteful spending?
How about the City pave the damn streets first, then worry about immaterial things such as fireworks?
The City spends extra money on police and safety for BS events such as roar on the shore, bike nights, block parties...i'm sure one night of fireworks on the 4th of July is a little more deserving than a motorcycle gathering on State Street. I also don't see what the point of paving the streets are when they are just going to be a mess again after another Erie winter. Street paving is a joke around here, its a never ending job that can't seem to be done correctly.
What

Erie, PA

#10 Jun 14, 2011
Lynn wrote:
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The City spends extra money on police and safety for BS events such as roar on the shore, bike nights, block parties...i'm sure one night of fireworks on the 4th of July is a little more deserving than a motorcycle gathering on State Street. I also don't see what the point of paving the streets are when they are just going to be a mess again after another Erie winter. Street paving is a joke around here, its a never ending job that can't seem to be done correctly.
I think Roar on the Shore adds about $18 million to the Erie economy so I wouldn't call it a BS event.

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...

I agree, the roads are a joke. It would be more expensive to do it correctly but at least it would last. There's no point in laying the thin layer of cheap crap year after year. They need to dig deeper and fill it with something than doesn't turn to rubble after a few months. I'm sure it can be done. We can put a man on the moon but can't make a road that lasts through a f'n winter. That's just ridiculous.
zyx

Hermitage, PA

#11 Jun 14, 2011
Maybe ETN can sponsor the fireworks with the money they are saving with laying off hard working men and women.
As I See It

Erie, PA

#12 Jun 15, 2011
zyx wrote:
Maybe ETN can sponsor the fireworks with the money they are saving with laying off hard working men and women.
Say it ain't so ! Erie, "The Greatest Place To Raise A Family" is forced go without fireworks now that it has finally admitted it is so strapped for cash that it can't afford to blow up what little money it can find. Hey,it's great to be back for a little while again Topix fans and I see that it's just more of the same. The summer is sure to bring more shootings and crime, potholed and crumbling streets will be closed for repairs, and all of the same old issues of decay and downward spiralling continue in full force. Yes sir it's great to be back watching the never ending freak show that what was once a proud and vibrant city. Maybe a nice sunset will make us all feel better ! Yeah, that should it.
Lynn

Erie, PA

#13 Jun 15, 2011
What wrote:
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I think Roar on the Shore adds about $18 million to the Erie economy so I wouldn't call it a BS event.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...
I agree, the roads are a joke. It would be more expensive to do it correctly but at least it would last. There's no point in laying the thin layer of cheap crap year after year. They need to dig deeper and fill it with something than doesn't turn to rubble after a few months. I'm sure it can be done. We can put a man on the moon but can't make a road that lasts through a f'n winter. That's just ridiculous.
Yea but its more like $18 million into Nick Scott's economy since a majority is forced to stay at his hotels. The point is, the City of Erie doesn't receive a check from Manufacturer's Association saying thank you for letting us use the entire downtown for a weekend, screwing up traffic, blocking roads, here's a check for $10 million, thanks City!
CRANK

Erie, PA

#14 Jun 15, 2011
Lynn wrote:
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Yea but its more like $18 million into Nick Scott's economy since a majority is forced to stay at his hotels. The point is, the City of Erie doesn't receive a check from Manufacturer's Association saying thank you for letting us use the entire downtown for a weekend, screwing up traffic, blocking roads, here's a check for $10 million, thanks City!
If the city doesn't want visitors. Fine just say so. Scott's properties are located outside the city limits, as are a number of other venues that could be utilized. If you are saying the city wants paid to have visitors (read that tourism) my opinion would be screw 'em. Let some other municipality that values tourism have them.
Just another example of Erie's backward thinking, that isn't killing the city economy, it killed the city economy.
Taxpayer

Pittsburgh, PA

#15 Jun 15, 2011
Just saw Texas is booming with jobs! Right to work state, no state income tax, friendly for business and profit is not a dirty word and no "redistribution" of wealth.
TaxNoMore

United States

#16 Jun 15, 2011
zyx wrote:
Maybe ETN can sponsor the fireworks with the money they are saving with laying off hard working men and women.
Wages and benefits for

638.6 employees

$59,175,547.00(MILLIONS)
**********
$92,664.50 Average per year, per employee
**********
98% of the budget for 2% of the people
**********
Union thugs can't take a 5% cut?
Less Taxes Please

Cleveland, OH

#17 Jun 15, 2011
Taxpayer wrote:
Just saw Texas is booming with jobs! Right to work state, no state income tax, friendly for business and profit is not a dirty word and no "redistribution" of wealth.
NON-UNION. Get it?
TaxNoMore

United States

#18 Jun 16, 2011
What Is Government Collective Bargaining?

Legal Monopoly:

Government collective bargaining gives unions a monopoly on the government’s workforce.

The government must employ workers on the terms the union negotiates.

It may not hire competing workers.

Private vs. Public-Sector:

Unions operate differently in government than in the private sector.

Private-sector unions bargain over limited profits.

Competition from other businesses moderates wage demands.

Governments earn no profits and have no competition.

Government unions negotiate for more tax dollars.

Risking Public Services:

When government unions strike, they can deprive citizens of essential services—such as education for children—until demands are met.
UMakeEverybodyPu ke

Beaver Falls, PA

#19 Jun 20, 2011
TaxNoMore wrote:
What Is Government Collective Bargaining?
Legal Monopoly:
Government collective bargaining gives unions a monopoly on the government’s workforce.
The government must employ workers on the terms the union negotiates.
It may not hire competing workers.
Private vs. Public-Sector:
Unions operate differently in government than in the private sector.
Private-sector unions bargain over limited profits.
Competition from other businesses moderates wage demands.
Governments earn no profits and have no competition.
Government unions negotiate for more tax dollars.
Risking Public Services:
When government unions strike, they can deprive citizens of essential services—such as education for children—until demands are met.
Please Jeff, try to be more annoying. None of us has contemplated suicide yet to get away from your dribble. When you look in the mirror, why can't you see that aszhole staring back at you??
Mike Jones

North East, PA

#20 Jun 22, 2011
Lynn.... You are one dumb f#c€ if you think all that money goes to Nick Scott that is generated from Roar on the Shore.

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