Talking about taxes

There are 16 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Oct 11, 2010, titled Talking about taxes. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

My opponent in the election has published a flyer blaming me for high property taxes and financial troubles.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Bennington Banner.

Just the real facts

Bennington, VT

#1 Oct 11, 2010
Let's talk JOBS.( The figures, herein are from the Department of Labor’s data base)
Voters when you go to the polls Nov. 2, take a minute before marking the ballot and think about the following.

Before I get in to jobs, there is one thing I would like to point out. When Ms. Miller talks about the income sensitivity deduction totaling $762,727 for Shaftsbury, did you, the reader, stop to think why those adjustments were made? Could it be because the LOWER one’s income is, the HIGHER the sensitivity deduction. So is Ms. Miller claiming that there is a large number of low income people in her district, perhaps due to being unemployed or underemployed? Just a thought.

Ms. Miller in her 14+ years has not really accomplished that much, sure she got some money for the town, but what has she done to get jobs in to the state? In her column today she touts a 6% unemployment. Well that is not exactly correct if you break the stats down. According to DOL, the AVERAGE is 6%. However, that figure DOES NOT reflect the number of people who have run out of benefits (they are not counted) or have just given up (they are not counted) or the number of small business owners that have gone out of business and do not get unemployment (they are not counted). Next if one looks at the town by town figures we have a whole different picture. There are approx. 246 towns in Vermont. 71 of those have unemployment rates at 8.5%+, 25 of those towns have unemployment rates of 11%+, 2 towns are at 19%+, another at 14%+.

No, Ms..Miller you have not truly accomplished much in your 14 years, over the years . In fact you have reigned over a period where we have seen, businesses shutting down, declining school enrollment, graduates leaving to find jobs else where (out of state), an infrastructure that has degraded, energy sources (we are becoming more and more dependent on not only on outside sources, but to add insult to injury out of country, sources of energy-that equates to JOBS not here). At the debates you talked about a young girl's success. Didn't you realize what you were really saying ? This young lady went to school out of state what does that say about our schools?

With all Vermont has to offer, we should be overflowing with JOBS, kids in school, fantastic roads/transportation, abundant energy. We are not. Who is really to blame? The voters that keep re-electing and re-electing representatives like Ms. Miller.

Ms. Miller time for you to leave 14 years is just too damn long. Elected office was not meant to be a career option.
Stashu Pandowski

Manchester Center, VT

#2 Oct 11, 2010
Ms Miller,
Nice try; however , I cannot see how you can hide behind these figures that are fuzzy like all Gov't so called facts.
Why doesn't the government take into consideration the chronically unemployed and underemployed. Those that cannot work or those that will not work. How about those that work in New York and commute? or those on wellfare or WIK or the myriad of other programs.
Have you ever gone knocking on doors to see for yourself the state of your constituancy??
Have you even considered that you have a full time job working for your district. Do you not realize that the emphasis is on the state of the people not on their votes??
Being part of the government and using government figures is at best sandbagging for votes. Lets see more action and substantive legislation with a background of logic and experience, not feel good, costly, innefective
programs that increase the burdens on all citizens of our beautiful state.


NativeVermonter

South Hadley, MA

#3 Oct 11, 2010
I never in my life have seen so many Topix people with Manchester Center, VT addresses. Are you all really from Manchester Center, VT? I know of a singer Stashu Pandowski, one and the same from Manchester Center, VT? Really? It is a small world.
Just the real facts

Bennington, VT

#4 Oct 11, 2010
NativeVermonter wrote:
I never in my life have seen so many Topix people with Manchester Center, VT addresses. Are you all really from Manchester Center, VT? I know of a singer Stashu Pandowski, one and the same from Manchester Center, VT? Really? It is a small world.
The same for Bennington. I know people from Pownal that have written comments and they show up as Bennington. Dont know why we can not list our towns when posting. So far I haven't found a way to ask Topix about this. Seems if one lives/ has cable from a certain area of Shaftsbury and north, Topix groups you out of Manchester Center. I live on the line of Shaftbury and Arlington.

Found the following to add to Ms. Miller's record of accomplishments, here is another way she has helped the her people. If she has done such a great job with taxes why the following:
Friday October 8, 2010 (Bennington Banner)
SHAFTSBURY -- Five Shaftsbury properties are scheduled to go to tax sale later this month if the back taxes owed are not paid in full prior to Oct. 26.

Amounts owed on the properties municipal or water and sewer taxes range from around $700 to around $8,000, said Merton Snow, the towns delinquent tax collector.

There is no set length of time someone must be behind in their taxes in Shaftsbury for their property to be put up for tax sale. Snow said he tries working out payment options when people start falling behind, but when no payments are received for a year or two, the properties will likely be put to auction.

Owners of the five listed properties owe back taxes for at least the last two years, Snow said.

Property owners have until the auction, scheduled for 10 a.m. Oct. 26 at the Town Office, to pay all the taxes.

"If they pay before 10 on the 26th, they will not go up for bid," Snow said.

See Banner for complete article.
NativeVermonter

South Hadley, MA

#5 Oct 11, 2010
Interesting.

How do the delinquent taxes directly relate to Miller? There could be a multitude of reasons none of which might relate to Miller for the delinquent taxes. It's wrong to speculate that Miller had anything at all to do with those delinquent taxes. If you want just the real facts find them out and post them here.

Still wondering about that Stashu Pandowski. Actually I think it was a character subject in a Polka song from the 50's. Someone has a good memory.
Stashu Pandowski en fecit

Manchester Center, VT

#6 Oct 11, 2010
The hub of the internet is in Manchester center.
This represents a very large area with a lot of
folks that just as soon stay anonymous. For
political Fiscal marital governmental civil historical religious and on and on reasons.
Whether my nom de plume as chosen is of any importance is immaterial. however it has been used in comment all over the world by myself and others of like temperment.
Ms Miller. see you down at the dump; but be careful
and don't lose your balance.
NativeVermonter

South Hadley, MA

#7 Oct 12, 2010
Like temperment? There are others like you? Thats SAD! For us I mean!
Hawkeye

Bennington, VT

#8 Oct 12, 2010
NativeVermonter wrote:
Interesting.
How do the delinquent taxes directly relate to Miller? There could be a multitude of reasons none of which might relate to Miller for the delinquent taxes. It's wrong to speculate that Miller had anything at all to do with those delinquent taxes. If you want just the real facts find them out and post them here.
Still wondering about that Stashu Pandowski. Actually I think it was a character subject in a Polka song from the 50's. Someone has a good memory.
I can see the tie to the Banner article. It would seem if Miller was doing such a bang up job, people in her district would not have a problem coming up with their tax money. It would seem that if these people were in trouble that perhaps she could help them in some way. We are experiencing financially hard times right now and as a result people are losing their homes and having trouble paying taxes. Our elected officials should be using their influence/doing something and it should start in their districts.
If Miller has done or tired to do something this would be a good place for her to speak out don't you think? She won't answer correspondence on the subject. I tried.

The other posters may have something, I do not live in Manchester Center, but my post comes up Manchester Center.
NativeVermonter

South Hadley, MA

#9 Oct 12, 2010
What if they didn't want to cash their savings, cd's or stocks or were criminals or hooked on drugs and thats where all the tax money went, would you still want to help them? We don't know why this happened to these people but to throw just one person under the bus for no good reason and this happening is a stretch. There are a lot of reasons this could have happened but the direct blame goes to the property owners and not anyone else. It's no surprise that the bill is coming every year.
Wheres the Beef

Middlebury, VT

#10 Oct 13, 2010
Just the real facts wrote:
Let's talk JOBS.( The figures, herein are from the Department of Labor’s data base)
Voters when you go to the polls Nov. 2, take a minute before marking the ballot and think about the following.
Before I get in to jobs, there is one thing I would like to point out. When Ms. Miller talks about the income sensitivity deduction totaling $762,727 for Shaftsbury, did you, the reader, stop to think why those adjustments were made? Could it be because the LOWER one’s income is, the HIGHER the sensitivity deduction. So is Ms. Miller claiming that there is a large number of low income people in her district, perhaps due to being unemployed or underemployed? Just a thought.
Ms. Miller in her 14+ years has not really accomplished that much, sure she got some money for the town, but what has she done to get jobs in to the state? In her column today she touts a 6% unemployment. Well that is not exactly correct if you break the stats down. According to DOL, the AVERAGE is 6%. However, that figure DOES NOT reflect the number of people who have run out of benefits (they are not counted) or have just given up (they are not counted) or the number of small business owners that have gone out of business and do not get unemployment (they are not counted). Next if one looks at the town by town figures we have a whole different picture. There are approx. 246 towns in Vermont. 71 of those have unemployment rates at 8.5%+, 25 of those towns have unemployment rates of 11%+, 2 towns are at 19%+, another at 14%+.
No, Ms..Miller you have not truly accomplished much in your 14 years, over the years . In fact you have reigned over a period where we have seen, businesses shutting down, declining school enrollment, graduates leaving to find jobs else where (out of state), an infrastructure that has degraded, energy sources (we are becoming more and more dependent on not only on outside sources, but to add insult to injury out of country, sources of energy-that equates to JOBS not here). At the debates you talked about a young girl's success. Didn't you realize what you were really saying ? This young lady went to school out of state what does that say about our schools?
With all Vermont has to offer, we should be overflowing with JOBS, kids in school, fantastic roads/transportation, abundant energy. We are not. Who is really to blame? The voters that keep re-electing and re-electing representatives like Ms. Miller.
Ms. Miller time for you to leave 14 years is just too damn long. Elected office was not meant to be a career option.
Lets talk about jobs -- since that is the issue you keep parking on. You can start by telling us exactly how Miller failed and lost us jobs, or exactly how one person, could have changed everything!
Just the real facts

Bennington, VT

#11 Oct 13, 2010
Well Ms. Miller has been part of state government for the last 14 years. Right! 14 years in the house gives one a lot of power and therefore can, if they chose, weld considerable influence. We do not see that with Ms. Miller. In fact the only time I hear much from her is when she is running for office, again. In the past 14 years the state has experienced job losses, business losses, lack of planing to grow our in-state energy resources, rising foreclosures and tax sales-yet I have yet to see her stand up and fight against and or come up with any constructive ways to swing this around. She follows and is not a leader. We, when we vote, are voting for leaders not followers and Ms. Miller is a follower.
What has she really done for the people in her district? Beyond money? You tell me, as I do not see it.
Speaking of money brought to the district (which she clams to have done), that is nice, but how about NOT taking it away in the first place and then bringing it back and saying look what I did! That is akin to taking away someones bread, then handing them back a crust.. Really lower the taxes and we won't need to have our tax $$ recycled back to us. Aw, the great political shell game. Tax them, then return a little bit to keep them happy. I am amazed people do not see this slight of hand.

If you don't feel one person can make a difference, pick up a history (s) book, local newspapers, they are filled with thousands of stories of people who stood and single handily made a difference in their country and this world off hand I can think of Martin Luther King, Frederick Douglas, Rosa Parks, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Alice Paul and Lucy Brown etc.. They were once only a voice crying in the dark, but they spoke out and stood their ground. There are many more that have made differences in their local communities, states etc. Each and everyone can make a difference if we are willing to fight and buck the status quo, I do not see those qualities in Ms. Miller.

Now if you are happy with Ms. Miller's performance and record, then vote for her. I, like many others want a representative that is a fighter, willing to stand up and yes, perhaps get knocked down, BUT will get back up and keep fighting.
Voter

South Hadley, MA

#12 Oct 13, 2010
Must be shes doing something right because the voters wanted her there and still do. If you don't believe me, pick up the paper Wednesday November 3rd and read the election results.

If you expect miracles and are perfect maybe you should be running for office Just the real facts or whatever name it is that you are going by today. I seriously doubt you or whoever it is that you will be voting for can do any better.
Just the real facts

Bennington, VT

#13 Oct 13, 2010
NativeVermonter wrote:
What if they didn't want to cash their savings, cd's or stocks or were criminals or hooked on drugs and thats where all the tax money went, would you still want to help them? We don't know why this happened to these people but to throw just one person under the bus for no good reason and this happening is a stretch. There are a lot of reasons this could have happened but the direct blame goes to the property owners and not anyone else. It's no surprise that the bill is coming every year.
You are correct, the bill comes every year (the amount is usally a surprise to many) and it is the responsibility of the homeowner. You are right again we do not know the circumstances. I find it interesting you only dwell on the "rich factor" and "criminal factors" or "drug factor". Financial reversals can happen overnight. What if the reason was ill health, death of a partner, job loss, loss of savings, over evaluation of the property etc.? People can get into circumstances where even having the income sensitivity deduction does not help and it becomes difficult if not impossible to meet the tax liability. Especially in these depressed times.
Perhaps a representative that has been in office as long as Ms. Miller , could reach out at least a local level to see if some resolution or temporary stay of proceeding can be found to allow these people an opportunity to re-group.
I am not throwing Ms. Miller under the bus, she seems to be doing a very good job of having thrown herself in the path of the bus.
Knight

South Hadley, MA

#14 Oct 13, 2010
There are a few of these every single year but it doesn't mean you have to blame a politician for it just because it happens in an election year. Thats exactly whats going on here. Ignore these stupid comments and come out and vote. The result will be the will of the people. Good luck to all.
Just the real facts

Bennington, VT

#15 Oct 14, 2010
Knight wrote:
There are a few of these every single year but it doesn't mean you have to blame a politician for it just because it happens in an election year. Thats exactly whats going on here. Ignore these stupid comments and come out and vote. The result will be the will of the people. Good luck to all.
Yes, you are right these things happen every year. What I do take exception to is one who claims to be doing such a great job and for as along as she has, is not seeing her bing proactive and reaching out to these people and perhaps finding ways to stay off such sales, if one is in true dire circumstances. She has served during a period as I pointed out earlier where the State has been moving downward not up. It is a shame you do not see that, but then you have the right to your opinion, as do all of us. We have a fantastic State, excellent quality of life, but our young are leaving, businesses are leaving, job loss growing. Ms. Miller and her colleagues do not appear to be doing anything concrete to turn this around, and they have had plenty of time to do so.

Since you consider the comments and data I have presented "stupid", Ms. Miller has access to the same data, why hasnt she presented the real facts. But then I can assume you are happy with the status quo. Fine, vote for her.
I can also assume that when anyone does not agree with you you consider "stupid". Now there is a open mind.

Nov 2 is just a few weeks away-Che sar sar
Knight

South Hadley, MA

#16 Oct 14, 2010
Ok we agree to disagree. See you at the polls.

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