Motorcyclist, passenger injured in crash

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A motorcyclist and his passenger who collided with a moving Jeep in North Babylon Saturday afternoon are hospitalized with "multiple fractures," Suffolk County police said.
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T Jefferson

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Jun 28, 2009
 

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Why doesn't everyone stop all the speculating here, since we DON'T KNOW all the facts?!

Yes, the Jeep driver MAY have been inattentive.

More likely: The cicle may have been doing 90MPH and the Jeep never had a chance to see him coming.

We don't know...and certainly won't know by Newsday's crappy reporting (How come the old reporters knew the five W's? "Who, what, where, when, why?" but these modern dopes with college degrees know NOTHING?!)

And remember- motorcicles are pften HARD to see (maybe he forgot to turn his light on)- even if a driver sees them with his eyes...sometimes they just don't register on the brain.

My nephew was killed on a motorcicle- not his fault- but that's the risk you take when you ride amongst 2-ton vehicles with 0 protection.

I'd enjoy riding a bike myself...but I realize it is too dangerous, and count my life more important than a few hours of pleasure. When you get on a bike, you are seriously increasing your chances of dying or being seriously injured. Yes, that sucks...but that's the way it is.

You can't expect someone who makes a mistake to pay with their life, just because someone decided to risk their own life by riding. That's why they call 'em accidents.

“Slappy X. Sanchez, Esq.”

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Jun 29, 2009
 
paul wrote:
<quoted text>Those are very strong words. I'm sure if you take a deep breath and think about it, you will realize no sane person wants to be the cause of the death of another. It is said that age brings with it wisdom and compassion, just guessing, but I think you may be a senior. How about showing some wisdom and compassion to the rest of the world, Kids are kids, just as you and I were, let's make an allowance for youthful exuberance, O.K.?
Are you making an allowance for youthful exuberance in this case, where the young driver of the Jeep ran the stop sign, injuring two people?
I agree with Uncle Jesse on this one. The morons on rice burners deserve what they get. I laugh when they blow past me on Sunrise Highway doing over 100 mph, because I know I'll soon be reading about them splattering themselves over the road.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
Slappy Sanchez wrote:
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Are you making an allowance for youthful exuberance in this case, where the young driver of the Jeep ran the stop sign, injuring two people?
I agree with Uncle Jesse on this one. The morons on rice burners deserve what they get. I laugh when they blow past me on Sunrise Highway doing over 100 mph, because I know I'll soon be reading about them splattering themselves over the road.
Why am I not making allowance for youthful exhuberance in the case of the jeep driver? Riding fast on two wheels is a perfect example of youthful exhuberance, no argument there. Running a stop sign causing serious injury to others is not youthful exhuberance, but gross negligence. Using the tired and worn out "did'nt see" a 10 ft machine with headlights and running lights on with two people astride, is an obvious lie, or an admission that the operater's eyesight is far below the level required to qualify for a N.Y.S. driver's lisence.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
paul wrote:
<quoted text>Why am I not making allowance for youthful exhuberance in the case of the jeep driver? Riding fast on two wheels is a perfect example of youthful exhuberance, no argument there. Running a stop sign causing serious injury to others is not youthful exhuberance, but gross negligence. Using the tired and worn out "did'nt see" a 10 ft machine with headlights and running lights on with two people astride, is an obvious lie, or an admission that the operater's eyesight is far below the level required to qualify for a N.Y.S. driver's lisence.
Where was it stated that the Jeep driver ran a stop sign? Newsday also reported that the Jeep hit the Harley, but from looking at the pictures another poster provided, it was the Harley that hit the Jeep.
$20 says they were both in the wrong.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
OhWellShitHappens wrote:
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Where was it stated that the Jeep driver ran a stop sign? Newsday also reported that the Jeep hit the Harley, but from looking at the pictures another poster provided, it was the Harley that hit the Jeep.
$20 says they were both in the wrong.
In every case, there is a strong bias shown against motorcycles and riders by the press, the police, and the general public. This article in newsday is the FIRST one I have read that actually states the obvious, the jeep was at fault, by running a stop sign. do you think for a moment that if it were the other way around, the report would not have proclaimed the usual "motorcycle traveling at a high rate of speed," etc.,etc.? I stand by my original comment, and suggest that your comments prove the bias of public opinion against the motorcycle and it's rider. Either of the vehicles ran a stop sign, if the motorcycle had run the stop sign, do you really think it would not have been noted.?
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Jun 29, 2009
 
New York Groove wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Jerk. The operator of the motorcycle happens to have 40 years experience and operates his motor cycle responsibly. I should know because I have been a passenger on a motor cycle with him. And he just happens to be my best friend. So maybe the next time you are walking down the road (then again your are probably a fat slob) hopefully someone will open up a car door and think about hitting you or someone that you love.
Well, If he is one of those idiots that ride the white lines...and you get on the back of his bike, you both will deserve it.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
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Well, If he is one of those idiots that ride the white lines...and you get on the back of his bike, you both will deserve it.
Well, He doesn't ride the white line and no one deserves to be injured. Except maybe you for your rude and disgusting comment!.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
hmmmm wrote:
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Well, If he is one of those idiots that ride the white lines...and you get on the back of his bike, you both will deserve it.
WELL, IF.? Exactly my point,the words you use in your comment prove one thing, that you are so anxious to find fault with the rider, you resort to the word IF?Better think it over, it does not make much sense.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
paul wrote:
<quoted text>In every case, there is a strong bias shown against motorcycles and riders by the press, the police, and the general public. This article in newsday is the FIRST one I have read that actually states the obvious, the jeep was at fault, by running a stop sign. do you think for a moment that if it were the other way around, the report would not have proclaimed the usual "motorcycle traveling at a high rate of speed," etc.,etc.? I stand by my original comment, and suggest that your comments prove the bias of public opinion against the motorcycle and it's rider. Either of the vehicles ran a stop sign, if the motorcycle had run the stop sign, do you really think it would not have been noted.?
I understand your point, Paul, and I donít blame you for sticking with your opinion. Iím inclined to think that it was another dopey kid not paying attention either. Iím more prone to think that a 48 year old on a Harley would be much more responsible than a 23 year old driving anything.
My point is that the article (one of Newsayís finest) merely stated that the Jeep had a stop sign. Nothing was stated about blowing through it, but hey, you know how they love to leave out important things. Roll through it, stop and go without looking? Who knows?
The website provided by another poster http://zone2photo.smugmug.com/gallery/8709023...
clearly shows that the Jeep was hit. Thereís also a picture showing a 10mph sign and I wonder who that was for.
There are some blanks and inconsistencies with this incident that need to be straightened out before I point a definite finger at anyone. I was very tempted yesterday to inquire as to what was in the real reports, but it was so nice out that I decided to go fishing instead. Perhaps we will soon find out the truth.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
BOOMER wrote:
Out of my 37 years of driving I never hit one motor cycle Why? answer I look around Twice and pay attention to
my serounding. Amzing! and I ride a harley myself and carry steel 1/2 inch
ball bearings for those whom don't like to play by the rules of the road
yes you will get one @ your door windsheld etc the hell with cops Ill get evean. By the my lowyer will beat up yours.
I hope I cut you off someday. That 1/2 inch ball bearing will be permanently up your a$$ along with my arm.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
paul wrote:
<quoted text>WELL, IF.? Exactly my point,the words you use in your comment prove one thing, that you are so anxious to find fault with the rider, you resort to the word IF?Better think it over, it does not make much sense.
Hey Paul, you are Brilliant! I look forward to your next syllable.

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Jun 29, 2009
 
The driveer didn't have to "run the stop sign" to be at fault. If one stops at a stop sign, they can not proceed until it is safe to do so. Pretty simple actually. Even IF the rider was speeding, I would imagine the jeep driver could have at least heard him.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
FLID wrote:
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I drive a tractor trailer - I would LOVE to run over every car driving idiot I see in traffic yapping on the cell, reading Newsday, etc...
I guess it's easy to be a tough guy because you are in a bigger vehicle - remember that when you see "MACK" in you rear view about 2 feet off your back bumper...
BTW - are you refering to the Harley riders with the open pipes the tear up & down the highways all the time? Yeah, really responsible.
You're supposed to be a professional driver.

Professional driver's are supposed to have patience and never EVER be in a hurry to get where they're going though I sometimes wonder about those sand and gravel nuts runnin' the LIE @ 70+ MPH, fully loaded with about 60,000 lbs behind 'em. You can always tell when they're loaded - the tandem on the triple axle is lowered. When I see those guys blow by me while I'm doing a mere 60-65 MPH, I just shake my head wondering how they'll react if they ever got a blowout.

Personally, I think they'd sh#t themselves, if not kill themselves.
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Jun 29, 2009
 
OhWellShitHappens wrote:
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I understand your point, Paul, and I donít blame you for sticking with your opinion. Iím inclined to think that it was another dopey kid not paying attention either. Iím more prone to think that a 48 year old on a Harley would be much more responsible than a 23 year old driving anything.
My point is that the article (one of Newsayís finest) merely stated that the Jeep had a stop sign. Nothing was stated about blowing through it, but hey, you know how they love to leave out important things. Roll through it, stop and go without looking? Who knows?
The website provided by another poster http://zone2photo.smugmug.com/gallery/8709023...
clearly shows that the Jeep was hit. Thereís also a picture showing a 10mph sign and I wonder who that was for.
There are some blanks and inconsistencies with this incident that need to be straightened out before I point a definite finger at anyone. I was very tempted yesterday to inquire as to what was in the real reports, but it was so nice out that I decided to go fishing instead. Perhaps we will soon find out the truth.
The scene is just before Commack road intersects with 231 (Deer Park Avenue). The 10-mph sign is a sign that 'suggests' 10-mph on the upcoming curve. Just beyond that curve there is a traffic light at the intersection with 231.

Without knowing direction of travel, it's hard to tell what might have happened. But we can't conclude that the jeep didn't stop. He appears to have been making a left onto Commack road from the side street. After stopping and looking both ways, he might have been trying to get across quick to complete his turn before another car traveling North on Commack road reached him but unfortunately, turned across the path of the biker traveling South.

The damage to the jeep was to the passenger side so this seems to make sense.

If the jeep was making a right to head North and the biker was heading North on Commack road, his approach would have been from the driver's side, striking the driver's side and causing damage to the driver's side.

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