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There are 41 comments on the Newsday story from Nov 5, 2007, titled Confusion over junior license's restrictions -. In it, Newsday reports that:

Last week Eva Fasolino gave a talk about driver safety to students and parents at North Babylon High School.

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did he cause the accident

Unionville, NY

#1 Nov 5, 2007
Its obvious the he did have a valid New York State license, the real legal matter the if he caused the accident and thereby is negligent.
Confused

Milford, CT

#2 Nov 5, 2007
did he cause the accident wrote:
Its obvious the he did have a valid New York State license, the real legal matter the if he caused the accident and thereby is negligent.
Aside from unsafe road conditions combined with inexperience I have read nothing to indicate the cause of the accident. This child is being punished enough anyway. He will have to spend the rest of his life knowing that 2 of his friends and a third boy were killed while he was driving. He will never be able to lead a normal life. Four lives were destroyed that day.
Missdee

Tenafly, NJ

#3 Nov 5, 2007
I believe those lives were lost because the system failed. Years ago it was different when we got our license. We weren't out of control speeding, we were just cruising around doing nothing and not to mention the fact that the drug situation isn't that great on LI. I am a mother of a 26yr old (been there, done that), a 23 yr old (just about past it) and one 13 days short of her 16th b-day. I believe if they can raise the alcohol drinking limit they should increase the age to obtain a permit/license. Giving someone a piece of paper does not give them the knowledge or the experience to get behind the wheel that 2 ton piece of metal and go out there and think they rule the world. There should be stricter guidelines...A license isn't something you have coming to you, it's something you should earn and kids don't understand that. I think if the laws were stricter and safety courses and tests were needed to get a license we would have a lot more level headed children out there driving and more lives would be saved. It scares me to death with all the young lives being lost that I have to think that my daughter feels she has it coming to her when she turns 16 to get her permit and be allowed to just take drivers ed and that's it. I believe it's a privledge and should be earned and if more kids had to take more stricter tests we would probably see less of them on the road as such a young age and maybe we could hang on to them just a little bit longer. Their lives seem to be getting cut shorter and shorter. Just think of this 13yr olds family. God bless the families that lost a child and god bless those that took their lives. Lets do something to raise the age requirement and maybe we will be putting more responible adults on the road instead of children who want to speed and don't know how to handle themselves in a situation.
Rte 25

Bronx, NY

#4 Nov 5, 2007
Confused wrote:
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Aside from unsafe road conditions combined with inexperience I have read nothing to indicate the cause of the accident. This child is being punished enough anyway. He will have to spend the rest of his life knowing that 2 of his friends and a third boy were killed while he was driving. He will never be able to lead a normal life. Four lives were destroyed that day.
The road conditions were NOT unsafe. Jericho Tpk in this area (where the accident took place) is straight and level. It is reported that the teen drove over the very clearly defined road divider and struck the other car head on. From the sound of it, driver inattention and inexperience on the part of the teen are the cause of this tragic accident.
Generally speaking, accidents in this area of Rt 25 East of Old Willets Path are caused by excessive speed, and driver error (fail to yield, inattention, intoxication,etc).
Teddy R

New Hyde Park, NY

#5 Nov 5, 2007
Why isn't NCPD patrolling school parking lots and ticketing kids parking there with Junior licences?

Can't imagine any higher-value patrol time in terms of potential lives saved/hour.
Half Hollow Hills

Paterson, NJ

#6 Nov 5, 2007
Just because the child is a good student doesn't mean he is a good driver also. There should be lockdowns at all schools. I like to know that once my child goes to school, I know that he is there. The students go out to lunch and often are racing back to school to get there on time.
Pete

Bronx, NY

#7 Nov 5, 2007
They should raise the age for obtaining a Permit/license to 21. The biggest problem is teenagers who think they're invincible and can drive recklessly and deal with any situation they come across.
Re Pete

Levittown, NY

#8 Nov 5, 2007
Ok. Lets give kids a beer and keys on their 21st birthday. Cause that sounds like a great idea 9note the sarcasm).
GiGi

Bronx, NY

#9 Nov 5, 2007
Pete wrote:
They should raise the age for obtaining a Permit/license to 21. The biggest problem is teenagers who think they're invincible and can drive recklessly and deal with any situation they come across.
Yeah, except you won't find many parents who would be willing to drive their children to and from work/college classes until age 21. At 18 you are legally an adult in this country, therefore you should have all rights, priviliges and responsibilties of an adult. Raising the driving age isn't going to increase driver responsibility, ust as it hasn't put a stop to underage drinking, binge drinking, or alcoholism in adults.

These kinds of things will continue to happen no matter what restrictions are put in place. You can't outlaw stupidity.
WOODY FROM ST JAMES

AOL

#10 Nov 5, 2007
JUST MY OPINION......OUR LAWMAKERS HAVE FAILED TERRIBLY, BY HALF STEPPING WHILE PASSING NEW LAWS, & IN THIS CASE I BELIEVE, IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE..... WHEN THE LAWS CHANGED RECENTLY FOR YOUNG DRIVERS, IT LEFT TOO MANY LOOPHOLES, ALONG WITH THE SCHOOLS ALLOWING KIDS TO LEAVE THE GROUNDS WITHOUT MONITORING.... IT BECAME A FORMULA FOR DISASTER......AND SURE AS HELL IT BACKFIRED, & WHAT A DISASTER THIS IS!!!!.....I THINK WE NEED TO FOOLPROOF THESE LAWS WITHOUT THE HALF STEPPING, & GET REALLLLL SERIOUS ABOUT OUR KIDS ON THE ROADS.....I HAVE, & WILL BE SPEAKING TO OUR STATE, & LOCAL LAWMAKERS ABOUT BIG CHANGES ABOUT TEENAGE DRIVERS....... I JUST HOPE THEY LISTEN TO MY SUGESTIONS.
Tragedy

Pasadena, MD

#11 Nov 5, 2007
Teddy R wrote:
Why isn't NCPD patrolling school parking lots and ticketing kids parking there with Junior licences?
Can't imagine any higher-value patrol time in terms of potential lives saved/hour.
Its Suffolk County Police not Nassau.
I use to go to old Commack HS North..long ago.

But no matter what, it is a tragedy heartbreak and a wake up call for all of us. All family members need to talk to their teenaged kids about this, abiding by the rules and safe driving. Not just once, but constantly.

Its not just the police or schools,
its all of us reminding our kids and being tough with the rules. This tragedy can happen to any family.

Lets try to stop this from happening to soon again.
paolo

Newark, NJ

#12 Nov 5, 2007
This whole thing makes me want to cry for everyone involved including the young driver who has to live with it. I hope they have the strength and class to eventually forgive and get on with life. From what I have seen on LI, I wouldn't bet on it. We can be sure that the lawyers will be putting the blame on the school because of the deep pockets.
Pikepole5

AOL

#13 Nov 5, 2007
It costs tax payers millions of dollars for schools to contract with school bus companies....Tax payers also pay for the purchase of extra property when a new school is being built for student parking....Why? ALL students should take the school bus, much safer then joy riding in their vehicles during lunch period and looking matcho to the girls..Students should not be allowd to bring their vehicles to school as long as there are busses paid for by the tax payer to bring them to and from...It does not be-little the students in any way.....It also will save on the tax payers from spending their money on large parking fields.
long island gal

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Nov 5, 2007
Teddy R wrote:
Why isn't NCPD patrolling school parking lots and ticketing kids parking there with Junior licences?
Can't imagine any higher-value patrol time in terms of potential lives saved/hour.
RIGHT ON TEDDY----WE'LL ALL BE TAKING THIS UP AT OUR SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS!

Since: Sep 07

South Salem, NY

#15 Nov 5, 2007
Confused wrote:
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Aside from unsafe road conditions combined with inexperience I have read nothing to indicate the cause of the accident.
Failure to keep right. It's in the VTL. You can be ticketed for it. The accident was caused by Badke crossing into the lane of oncoming traffic. That's what caused the accident. The question is, why?
An American

Pelham, NY

#16 Nov 5, 2007
Drivers licenses should only be given to those over 21 and taken away when you hit age 65!!!!!!!!! The exclusion of those people not in this age range would reduce accident by 40% in this country!!!!!
Texas Driver

Georgetown, TX

#17 Nov 5, 2007
There should only be a learner's permit and a regular driver's license. None of this junior license crapola.
How about it

Parlin, NJ

#18 Nov 5, 2007
Pete wrote:
They should raise the age for obtaining a Permit/license to 21. The biggest problem is teenagers who think they're invincible and can drive recklessly and deal with any situation they come across.
Oh yeah. Let's raise the driving age to 21 but give 18 year olds tanks and machine guns and send them to Iraq.
Take Responsibility

Norwalk, CT

#19 Nov 5, 2007
This problem can be solved by parents becoming parents and not allowing their teens to drive to school illegally. Make them take the bus or drive the kids themselves.

Parents are supposed to know the laws about junior licenses, and so are the teens, the information is in the manual. But, being lazy, and not wanting to drive the kids to school, and wanting them to be popular, they allow the 16-17 year olds to take the family car or worse yet they buy them a car.

NYS has toughened the restrictions on junior licenses and that is a good thing. It should force parents to be on top of things and it gives the teens more time to get experience behind the wheel before being allowed to have friends in the car or drive at night.

Schools cannot tell when parents are giving their kids cars illegally when they park off school property. If they are parked on school property, they must have permission and a sticker usually, having "registered" in the high school for the parking space. In that case, they must have the senior license.
How about it

Parlin, NJ

#20 Nov 5, 2007
Age has nothing to do with the safety of a driver. I became a fully licensed driver at 17. I had also been driving for an entire year, under parental supervision, before I was legally allowed to get my license. I don't know about you, but I would feel safer sharing the road with a 17 year old who has been driving with her parents for a year than with a 21 year old who practiced for a whole 20 hours - the amount required by law.

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