Chelmsford's beef with beer and wine ...

Chelmsford's beef with beer and wine licenses atypical

There are 76 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Jul 11, 2010, titled Chelmsford's beef with beer and wine licenses atypical. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

After years in the restaurant business, all Len Carpenter wanted to do was open his own neighborhood butcher shop.

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declawedlion

Westport, CT

#62 Aug 3, 2010
Wheres the real beef wrote:
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True, they do work me. And I've already expressed my displeasure with the reasons given. Post the rationale told to you first, then I'll post what was told to me. Otherwise, your post is meaningless (or a figment of your imagination).
Personally, I don't believe this issue has been blown way out of proportion. It's the historical actions of how the Town has operated that has folks questioning the whys as strenuously as they do. That in itself is very strong signal to our elected folks to do a good job. I may disagree, but I can accept a well-constructed opinion. When BoS comment about not reading a contract, or asking enough questions, etc., then the people they work for have a right to really question things. Apparently, the reasons given by the BoS are poor enough to give the shop owner sufficient grounds to take it to the ABCC.
Give them a chance to make things right? Sure, I"m for it. Let the BoS do it before the ABCC rules. And they can overturn the BoS. It happened in Plymouth a few years ago in eerily similar circumstances: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_8043/is...
Excellent research, "Beef". There is a clear and substantive precedent for the ABCC to rule against the BOS decision. I also agree that "No conspiracy" has (respectfully)zero credibility if he can not support his claim of speaking with the BOS members. I would like for him to share with us at least a brief summary of his discussion. I, for one, would feel enlightened and very much appreciative.
Concerned resident

Westport, CT

#63 Aug 3, 2010
Jr High wrote:
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So all of the selectman are liars? Cool a conspiracy..........
In this instance, I believe it only takes three.
Sal Governali

Lowell, MA

#64 Aug 3, 2010
Jr High wrote:
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So all of the selectman are liars? Cool a conspiracy..........
don't bother argueing with these clowns, the are going to make up stories and believe what they want, whether is has any fact or not, they should just keep reading backstab and chelmsfordASSnews.com editorials
Kevin

United States

#65 Aug 3, 2010
You have to look at the right reason to limit liquor licences. You do not want liquor stores and bars on every corner.
This does not apply in this case.
U -R serious ly confused

East Sandwich, MA

#66 Aug 3, 2010
R U Serious wrote:
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Because he doesn't want everyone in town have access to a liquor license, makes him anti-business?
He is doing exactly what EVERY previous board has done, including Jeannotte during her time. Is this really what you think is a pivotal issue in town?
Sorry i happen to think they are right, the Meathouse will do great without it. Should we let the guy on Stedman turn his house into a storefront, or am I being "anti-business"
should chelmsford dicide on liquor licenses for the state too??? corrupptionn only hurts you & me OH!! maybe not you?? every one in town does not want a license, your a liberal.
U -R serious ly confused

East Sandwich, MA

#67 Aug 3, 2010
Just the facts wrote:
Mrs. Jeannotte's comments are outrageous, but not unexpected.
Let's look at the facts
"The idea is a one-stop shop service for your dining needs," Carpenter said. "All of the other Meat Houses sell beer and wine. If I had known this was going to create such a problem, I might have looked elsewhere."
This is the statement from the owner of the Meat House.
There are six franchises in Mass. Massachusetts:
Arlington,Beverly,Chelmsford,F ranklin,North Andover,Walpole. I have called just three: Franklin, Arlington, North Andover.
ALL THREE (and Chelmsford makes FOUR) do NOT sell beer and wine in their stores.
Who's telling the TRUTH?
The Selectmen made the right decision. fortunately Mrs. Jeannotte is not one of them.
must be slow!!! s l o w !! ss ll oo ww!!
R U serious

Lowell, MA

#68 Aug 3, 2010
U -R serious ly confused wrote:
<quoted text> should chelmsford dicide on liquor licenses for the state too??? corrupptionn only hurts you & me OH!! maybe not you?? every one in town does not want a license, your a liberal.
Umm no, liberals want to grab as much revenue so they can tax the crap out of it. And then pay lawyers stupid money to defend it. as much as you want to make it up, there is NO corruption except the crap that comes of this forum
Robert Sowell

Grand Blanc, MI

#69 Aug 4, 2010
Chelmsford needs an enema
Just curious

Westport, CT

#70 Aug 5, 2010
R U serious wrote:
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Umm no, liberals want to grab as much revenue so they can tax the crap out of it. And then pay lawyers stupid money to defend it. as much as you want to make it up, there is NO corruption except the crap that comes of this forum
If that is your opinion, and you have no skin in this game, then why do you read and post on this thing??? If there is no corruption then prove it. Give us readers something to prove your point, and shut us up. I would love to be proven wrong. I'd feel much better about this town, and would probably have nothing more to post.
Just curious

Westport, CT

#71 Aug 5, 2010
R U serious wrote:
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Umm no, liberals want to grab as much revenue so they can tax the crap out of it. And then pay lawyers stupid money to defend it. as much as you want to make it up, there is NO corruption except the crap that comes of this forum
But in fairness, I do agree with your statement about the taxes.
R U serious

Lowell, MA

#72 Aug 5, 2010
Just curious wrote:
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If that is your opinion, and you have no skin in this game, then why do you read and post on this thing??? If there is no corruption then prove it. Give us readers something to prove your point, and shut us up. I would love to be proven wrong. I'd feel much better about this town, and would probably have nothing more to post.
So by your logic, they are guilty until proven innocent? You can make up what ever accusation you want it its my/their responsibility to prove YOU wrong....Man you are backwards.
U -R serious ly confused

East Sandwich, MA

#73 Aug 6, 2010
Wheres the real beef wrote:
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Perhaps a some of the other franchises in MA don't have beer/wine license, but please continue to call all the other franchises, or write to corporate to find out what percentage do. For goodness sakes, CVS sells beer and wine down South. Of the towns you called, what number of the total licenses allowed by the State have been issued? We don't know why the franchises you called don't have beer/wine licenses. Were those other franchises constructed with the same set-up with the expectation of a beer/wine license (maybe they never ever anticipated getting one from the start?).
Massachusetts is still a national joke regarding blues laws. Also, the comment about looking elsewhere was reasonable. Notice that Alpine is in Lowell (not far from Meet House). They sell beer and wine. They used to be in Chelmsford. I wonder how much more successful Alpine is now that they have moved? Frankly, the facts I see are; Chelmsford has 0 of 7 approved licenses issued, if 25 yrs of experience in the restaurant business (including alcohol) isn't enough then what is, the PD hasn't rectified the disparity in license approvals with the number the State allows (based in large part on safety issues).
You say the Selectmen made the right call - why?
I say they didn't. They made no supporting reason (precedence and the nebulous "safety!) are not supported. If you're worried about illegal booze sales/access, Cafe Madrid serves alcohol outside. That is a greater potential safety issue. As mentioned by Hanson, the licenses are up annually. If the Meet House is having problems, pull their license. The Town has the authority. Personally, I think the majority of these types of decisions have more to do with prior personal relationships with the players involved or effected than with stated reasons. Otherwise, we wouldn't have an edifice going up in the middle of a deed restricted area.
you are a very smart person,you look at fact not fiction!!!!lots of issues in chelms. TOO BAD
sidelines

Chelmsford, MA

#74 Aug 6, 2010
R U serious wrote:
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So by your logic, they are guilty until proven innocent? You can make up what ever accusation you want it its my/their responsibility to prove YOU wrong....Man you are backwards.
sounds like the dem. play book to me!
Dong Feng 21D

Grand Blanc, MI

#75 Aug 6, 2010
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Many Options

Lowell, MA

#76 Aug 10, 2010
Just the facts wrote:
"The idea is a one-stop shop service for your dining needs," Carpenter said. "All of the other Meat Houses sell beer and wine. If I had known this was going to create such a problem, I might have looked elsewhere."
This is the statement fromthe owner of the Meat House. There are six franchises in Mass. Massachusetts:
Arlington,Beverly,Chelmsford,F ranklin,North Andover,Walpole. I have called three: Franklin, Arlington, North Andover. ALL THREE (and Chelmsford makes FOUR) do NOT sell beer and wine in their stores.
Who's telling the TRUTH?
I have a suggestion - read an article from the Independent on wickedlocal.com/chelmsford . it will explain in detail the reasons for the other MA franchises not having liquor licenses. Search for "Meat House defends alcohol license stance", it's an article from July 22. Once you read it, then come back talk truth.
Truth is

Lowell, MA

#78 Aug 11, 2010
Many Options wrote:
<quoted text>I have a suggestion - read an article from the Independent on wickedlocal.com/chelmsford . it will explain in detail the reasons for the other MA franchises not having liquor licenses. Search for "Meat House defends alcohol license stance", it's an article from July 22. Once you read it, then come back talk truth.
Regardless of the reason, you can't stand up and say every other Meathouse sells alcohol when they don't. Or imply they can't survive without it when they clearly can.

A false statement is still false, no matter the reason.

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