Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 61051 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35155 Apr 15, 2013
hoodwinking post wrote:
3 feet of snow is abnormal. This is NOT Global Warming.It's Global Cooling!
With extra energy retained by man-made GHGs, feedbacks, & 2 & 3 stage feedbacks, warm fronts have warmed the NP. Simultaneously, the extra energy sends cold Arctic fronts to the south, cooling off your beans.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35156 Apr 15, 2013
litesong wrote:
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With extra energy retained by man-made GHGs, feedbacks, & 2 & 3 stage feedbacks, warm fronts have warmed the NP. Simultaneously, the extra energy sends cold Arctic fronts to the south, cooling off your beans.
In a picture:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nma...
Muddy

Big Stone Gap, VA

#35157 Apr 16, 2013
Jugdish wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember the Population Explosion? By now, there were supposed to be so many people on Earth all sorts of dire things were to happen. What happened with that? Why don't we talk about the Population Explosion anymore?
Uh...dire things have happened!!! Food shortages, starvation, famine, unsutainable growth!! Idiot....

“Headline already in use”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#35158 Apr 16, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
Distorted version of what I said, but essentially true. Predictive modeling is a real thing, Brainless, and is used in many fields.
True, but not in climatology or any purely descriptive field.

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tha Professor wrote:
For example, a criminologist will use criminal behavior to predict what a criminal will do in the future, so that he can be caught.
Criminology is a descriptive field of science. Predicting criminal behavior predates criminology.

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tha Professor wrote:
Simple examination of trends will show businesses their pattern of growth and development, and predict what will happen if they choose one course of action over another.
Leaders select one course over another; they use experimental tests or they make a guess. Trends only show you what happened during a specific period in the past, not what's happening in the future.

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tha Professor wrote:
I'm surprised indeed that such a "scientist" as yourself isn't familiar with this sort of activity, and chooses instead to mock it in a childish way. Hardly very intellectual of you, is it? Hmmm?
Where experimental tests are impossible, most computer models are bogus. A criminologist might predict the perpetrator's DNA is on the handle of a knife and only an experiment can test that forecast.
The Iron Dictator

Podgorica, Montenegro

#35160 Apr 16, 2013
Global Warning is Jewish-Globalist Mith.
UN-George Soros lies..........

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#35161 Apr 16, 2013
You do realize that a lot of farms in the upper mid-west have tunnels built from the house to the barn. Some of those farms have been around a long time. w why would they have a tunnel from the house to the barn?
Muddy

Big Stone Gap, VA

#35162 Apr 16, 2013
The Iron Dictator wrote:
Global Warning is Jewish-Globalist Mith.
UN-George Soros lies..........
Sieg Heil?
kristy

Titusville, FL

#35163 Apr 16, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>

Not sure what "..can't make up their minds about the effects of a melting Arctic" is supposed to mean, either. NO climatologist thinks that a melting Arctic is good.
I was referring to my post #35139.
kristy

Titusville, FL

#35164 Apr 16, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you stupid enough to believe your own propaganda?
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...
Yes, we can claim with certainty what will happen, since we have satellite observations of radiation hitting and leaving the Earth, and CO2 has reduced the radiation leaving.
It is a physical reality that the Earth will warm.
Get that through your thick head.
Ass tha Professor pointed out, Antarctic ice is melting, dumbass.
So you are a denying that temperatures have been flat for the past 15 years?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-...

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-tec... |hig|3-27-2013|5392059|3607021 5|

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35165 Apr 16, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are a denying that temperatures have been flat for the past 15 years?
No, the facts are fuckwit.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...

PS, you just changed from 17 to 15 which is it?
Teddy R

San Francisco, CA

#35166 Apr 16, 2013
"Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions."

"Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000. Scientists are now intent on figuring out the causes and determining whether the respite will be brief or a more lasting phenomenon."

"exposed gaps in their understanding??!!"

"most climate models failed to predict??!!"

HERESY!! The models are PERFECT! The SCIENCE IS SETTLED - there are no possible "gaps" in climate scientists' understanding!!

This must not stand! Send out the Spanish Inquisition!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-...
kristy

Titusville, FL

#35167 Apr 16, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
David Viner is often misquoted by deniers. He actually said the occurrence of snow would decline slowly but there'd still be freak years of much snow: which is exactly what we've observed in the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snow...
Snow was becoming less common until the Arctic inversions of recent years.
Yes, the complexities of climate sometimes catch even the experts out.
But contrast this with the deniers who can't even get their heads round the complexities when they are pointed out with hindsight.
Global warming means winters are generally warmer in the UK except when an Arctic inversion dumps Arctic air on us, and this is probably due to reduced ice cover in the Arctic- a result of global warming.
Only simple people expect the world to be simple, krusty.
This is what Viner said: "Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."

He said this in 2001. The UK has been experiencing cold and snow for 5 years now, so since 2008. Viner said it would be 20 years' time and only occasionally.

You know, you would think that these scientists who can without a doubt know how much man-made carbon is contributing to the climate and know within tenths of a degree temperatures from 2000-11,000 years ago, they could at least know how the Arctic affects climate and weather patterns. It's not like they can't look at the data from the Arctic in the past and compare that to what actually occurred at the time. And if they weren't sure of the affects of a melting Arctic why instead do they choose to make crazy statements about virtual snow?
kristy

Titusville, FL

#35168 Apr 16, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the facts are fuckwit.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...
PS, you just changed from 17 to 15 which is it?
Sorry 15 years:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

Who exactly is denying this in the scientific world?

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35169 Apr 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>True, but not in climatology or any purely descriptive field.
..EDITED....
I see no reason to go any further if you're too damn stupid or dishonest to admit that climatology uses and continues to improve predictive modelling.

http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~bbd/pubs/SciDACRevie...

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j....

http://www3.nd.edu/~dial/papers/COMPSUST10.pd...

Jesus. You're such a waste of time, troll.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35170 Apr 16, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
"Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions."
"Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000. Scientists are now intent on figuring out the causes and determining whether the respite will be brief or a more lasting phenomenon."
"exposed gaps in their understanding??!!"
"most climate models failed to predict??!!"
HERESY!! The models are PERFECT! The SCIENCE IS SETTLED - there are no possible "gaps" in climate scientists' understanding!!
This must not stand! Send out the Spanish Inquisition!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-...
Send for the front-end loader, Teddy just dropped a big load of manure.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#35171 Apr 16, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Who exactly is denying this in the scientific world?
Nobody denies the facts. Just your misinterpretations and misdirection. And they don't deny them. They just rebut them.

Back to your day job, Mr. Clown.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35172 Apr 16, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
"Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions."
"Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000. Scientists are now intent on figuring out the causes and determining whether the respite will be brief or a more lasting phenomenon."
"exposed gaps in their understanding??!!"
"most climate models failed to predict??!!"
HERESY!! The models are PERFECT! The SCIENCE IS SETTLED - there are no possible "gaps" in climate scientists' understanding!!
This must not stand! Send out the Spanish Inquisition!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-...
What you have here is an interpretation of an interpretation, each diverging somewhat from the science involved, but each approaching more closely the denier viewpoint: ha ha ha, scientists are clowns and have got it all wrong!

Sorry, halfwits, you're deluding yourselves.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35173 Apr 16, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry 15 years:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
Who exactly is denying this in the scientific world?
Hello!

The line on the right is higher than the line on the left!

That means temperatures have gone up and are not flat!

Can't you halfwits even read a graph?

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35174 Apr 16, 2013
kristy wrote:
He said this in 2001. The UK has been experiencing cold and snow for 5 years now, so since 2008.
Sorry, krusty: wrong.

The UK has been experiencing warmer winters and less snow for 30 years, with the exception of a cold December in 2011 and a cold March in 2013- cause by anomalous Arctic inversion phenomena.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35175 Apr 16, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000.
Climate models predict that temperature rise will slow from time to time, they are just not very good at predicting when:

http://www.fool-me-once.com/2010/07/global-wa...

The models also say that in the long term it doesn't matter much:

http://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2013/what-w...

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