Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 60144 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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kristy

Titusville, FL

#34977 Apr 7, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
The most credible critic of AGW is somebody who studied it for a year in the 1970s?
No, he wasn't involved in research- the group he was with studied the issue.
What conclusion did they come to?
"These studies led to widespread concern that human activities, notably deforestation and burning of fossil fuels, were contributing to pronounced changes in the global climate."
http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/printmembe...
You need to be a bit less gullible and treat the stuff you read on wattsupwithtwat a bit more sceptically.
Sorry, didn't get it from WWUT. Just read what the man actually said....."climatologists are no Einstein."

http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2013/04/...
kristy

Titusville, FL

#34978 Apr 7, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>LIAR.
<quoted text>This disjointed stuff is your new position but you are too unaware when you copy/paste denier material.
What's not new is your rudeness.
Skyrocket? About ninety million tons of man-made CO2 are emitted into our atmosphere daily. Just the way you like it!
The climate-change payback is in the works but you are unaware of it in your denier position.
My position has ALWAYS been the Earth is warming as we are coming out of an interglacial period, carbon dioxide is increasing, and that the science that needs to be debated is the amount of man's contribution to the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and the effects of increased CO2. My beef has ALWAYS been with the computer models and the exaggerated claims of sea level rise, temperature rise, etc.
Nature advocate

Los Angeles, CA

#34979 Apr 7, 2013
High density is not green. Concrete and steel are not green. The potted plant in the lobby doesn't count.

Be green. Low density with plants, parks, rolling hills and streams.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#34980 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
My position has ALWAYS been the Earth is warming as we are coming out of an interglacial period, carbon dioxide is increasing, and that the science that needs to be debated is the amount of man's contribution to the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and the effects of increased CO2. My beef has ALWAYS been with the computer models and the exaggerated claims of sea level rise, temperature rise, etc.
Then how do you explain the extreme weather now on a annual basis for pretty much all countries. Is this caused by your so called normal cyclic events or helped along by man ? Considering these events once had a 20 - 50 -100 yr gap in the cycle previously. But the super storms are now an annual event. At what point do you believe it's abnormal, or are you waiting for blue sky to disappear for good ?
Even with the weight of evidence, billions of more ppl to feed and clothe along with all those Chinese and Indians throwing away push bikes to buy more cars or motor bikes along with the power consumption that goes with it. Yet still dismiss man's impact on the planet as neutral.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34981 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, didn't get it from WWUT. Just read what the man actually said....."climatologists are no Einstein."
http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2013/04/...
Betcha reddit on wattsupwithtwat though.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/05/freeman...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34982 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
My position has ALWAYS been the Earth is warming as we are coming out of an interglacial period, carbon dioxide is increasing, and that the science that needs to be debated is the amount of man's contribution to the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and the effects of increased CO2.
And your education in science is? Zero.

Your training in science is? Zero.

Your experience of science is? Zero?

Your ability to understand science is? Zero.

Your willingness to listen to what scientists are saying is? Zero.

You can have your debate with the other jabbering idiots at wattsupwithtwat.

Meanwhile, every scientific academy on the planet says the Earth is warming, we're responsible, and we need to do something about it.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34983 Apr 8, 2013
Deniers deny the following:

Annual natural CO2 increase: 0.0001 ppm.

Annual man-made CO2 increase: 2 ppm.

Got science?

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#34984 Apr 8, 2013
suns gravity pulls us a tiny bit closer every year, can't be stopped, nothing can be done, don't worry about it for 3 or 4 hundred years.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34985 Apr 8, 2013
Trends and variability of seasonal weather regimes

Mathieu Vrac*,
Pradeebane Vaittinada Ayar,
Pascal Yiou

Article first published online: 8 APR 2013

DOI: 10.1002/joc.3700

ABSTRACT

Seasons and seasonality are the main properties of extra-tropical climate that affect ecosystems and society. For example, agriculture, tourism, energy consumption or ecosystem phenology are primarily dependent on seasonality and on the magnitude of the meteorological events associated within each season. Changes in the seasonality of variables like surface temperature during the last decades have been widely investigated but seasonal changes of the weather have received less quantification. This paper redefines the concept of seasonality based on the extra-tropical atmospheric circulation, and on the notion that it can drive the evolution of temperature. We find that summer-like atmospheric conditions have appeared earlier and ended later since 1948. Conversely, the period with winter patterns has reduced over that period. The temperatures associated with weather patterns allow to identify the sources of temperature trends. Copyright © 2013 Royal Meteorological Society

-International Journal of Climatology

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#34986 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
What did I lie about? Marcott produced a hockey stick graph, sent out a press release and then retracted the hockey stick without any fanfare. That was at the least deceptive.
What do you call a person who states that I lie about science and the actions of scientists, but has no problem with a scientist such as Michael Mann lying about the actions of fellow scientists? A hypocrite.
Your characterization of the events in question, and of Mann's character, are entirely dishonest. Therefore, you lied. End of story.

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#34987 Apr 8, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The subject of this thread is calling on a political leader to act on global warming. If you can act on something, you should be able to demonstrate the effect yet no peer reviewed published experiment shows the ability to change climate, measure an increase in an atmospheric from an experimental emission or sequestration or climate change mitigation.
Climate always changes, nobody disputes that. Whether man can change global climate is an open question because that theory has never been experimentally tested.
No, fool, it was THIS statement of yours I was referring to:

"On August 6th, 1945, a nuclear bomb was dropped on Hiroshima Japan."

Nothing to do with arguments about current global warming.

Man IS affecting climate, and the causal relationship between greenhouse gases and atmospheric warming has long been established.

Your next move would seem to be yet another attempt to confuse mitigation with causation. Proceed.:)

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#34988 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
So true. I remember last March they were trotting out the high to low records and touting it was due to global warming. It was all over the news. This year, I don't hear a peep about the low record temperatures. I live in Florida and this is the coldest March I can remember. Most of March has been in the 60s with lows in the 40s. We had 1 day that hit 90 and our local weather guy said that was the first time in 6 months we had hit 90 degrees.
You're talking weather, not climate. Here's a pretty picture for you, Kristy hon:

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cm...

Note how the lines go up and down year by year, but the RED line drawn through the middle of the other lines continually goes UP?

That shows you how weather varies, but climate warms.

You're welcome.

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#34989 Apr 8, 2013
I'm sorry...there WAS a period there (40s to late '70s) when the red line was relatively even, may even have gone DOWN a tiny bit. What's that red line done since the late '70s, though?

That's right. UP. SHARPLY.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#34990 Apr 8, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
suns gravity pulls us a tiny bit closer every year....
In truth, numerous effects cause the Earth to slowly recede away from the Sun, including conservation of circular momentum, nuclear reactions causing the sun to lose mass, thus gravitational force, particles that were once part of the central sun which are now propelled outward from the sun & past the orbit of Earth, other planets, & into interstellar space........
Where

Greer, SC

#34991 Apr 8, 2013
Where's Al Gore?
kristy

Titusville, FL

#34992 Apr 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your characterization of the events in question, and of Mann's character, are entirely dishonest. Therefore, you lied. End of story.
Okay then you explain the events and how it happened that a press release stated this:

"What that history shows, the researchers say, is that during the last 5,000 years, the Earth on average cooled about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit–until the last 100 years, when it warmed about 1.3 degrees F.”

When in fact the paper states the last 100 years was inconclusive. Somebody was not telling the truth, being dishonest, deceptive.
kristy

Titusville, FL

#34993 Apr 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
You're talking weather, not climate. Here's a pretty picture for you, Kristy hon:
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cm...
Note how the lines go up and down year by year, but the RED line drawn through the middle of the other lines continually goes UP?
That shows you how weather varies, but climate warms.
You're welcome.
So sorry you can't understand I was making fun of the hype. All kinds of stories last March telling us that the US (1.5% of the globe) hot temperatures were because of global warming. Of course I don't expect anyone to trot out yearly or monthly weather but they continue to do so. Can you send this information to the media? I don't think they understand the difference between weather and climate. Thanks, truly appreciate your understanding of the difference.

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#34994 Apr 8, 2013
Where wrote:
Where's Al Gore?
Doing your mom.

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#34995 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay then you explain the events and how it happened that a press release stated this:
"What that history shows, the researchers say, is that during the last 5,000 years, the Earth on average cooled about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit–until the last 100 years, when it warmed about 1.3 degrees F.”
When in fact the paper states the last 100 years was inconclusive. Somebody was not telling the truth, being dishonest, deceptive.
I can't explain your unsupported delusions, they defy explanation.

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#34996 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
So sorry you can't understand I was making fun of the hype. All kinds of stories last March telling us that the US (1.5% of the globe) hot temperatures were because of global warming. Of course I don't expect anyone to trot out yearly or monthly weather but they continue to do so. Can you send this information to the media? I don't think they understand the difference between weather and climate. Thanks, truly appreciate your understanding of the difference.
All kind of deniers using every cold snap as "proof" that warming was a "fraud," too. GOing to take responsibility for YOUR side, who do this far, FAR more often?:)

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