PVISD or NISD
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ladyv

Dallas, TX

#1 Nov 6, 2011
Moving to the area in the near future, just wondering which Elementry school to go with.
veteren

United States

#2 Nov 6, 2011
Choose Nocona ISD. PVISD does not have more sports and busses in the students that get in trouble at Nocona. Good elementary teachers in PV, but it is a k-12 school where young ones are exposed to the upper schools and the middle and high school teachers are mean spirited.
Been to both

United States

#3 Nov 6, 2011
Choose NISD
Indian by Choice

Nocona, TX

#5 Nov 6, 2011
Both elementaries are very good. I think PVISD has better ratings on the state tests - they are so small that they don't have to count all groups, and I think teachers in elementary teach 2 grades at one time. I sent my kids to NISD and in my opinion, NISD has more to offer, using cutting edge technology as one example. That being said, both are very fine schools. The real difference is when you get to Middle & High School, then NISD is the only way to go, as they offer so much more - band, choir, etc... Welcome to the area.
NISD ALUMNA

Kittanning, PA

#6 Nov 7, 2011
Be smart and visit both schools. Don't let other people make up your mind for you. Do research on the Internet to gain insight into key elements present in a successful school. Use the research to create a checklist and add your own ideas to the list. Take your list with you when you visit the schools and add notes in the margin as you discuss each point with the school administration and teachers. Visit the first time without your children so that you can have serious discussions about the schools. Then, make a second visit with your children present; afterall, it is your children who will be spending the most time at the school. Once you have made your choice, remember to find out what you can do for the school as one key element of a good school is parent involvement in all areas of education.

Above all, remember to make an appointment. After becoming acquainted with the administration and teachers, you might request permission to just pop-in a few times to get a real look at what goes on in the school. Don't forget to register in the office and wear your official visitor's badge.

Good luck to you!
jr redneck

Nocona, TX

#7 Nov 8, 2011
pvisd should consolidate with ringgold so there would only be one unneccessary school in the northern part of the county
Old Timer

United States

#8 Nov 8, 2011
jr redneck wrote:
pvisd should consolidate with ringgold so there would only be one unneccessary school in the northern part of the county
That is a fine idea. They really should. I never understood why we have all these superintendents in such a small radius. That's a large chunk of money being thrown away.

Since: Jul 11

Bonham, TX

#9 Nov 9, 2011
I visited with all the local schools and ended up putting my kids in Nocona Elementary, my kids love it there. They are learning really well, and it seems like the teachers really care about them. So thats my vote
Retiree

United States

#10 Nov 9, 2011
Can you say DOUBLE DIPPING? PVISD engages in this practice. They don't have any problems cutting good teachers and enjoying more than their fair share of the pie. This school is not one to consider unless you need to send your child to a school where they are not only exposed to troubled kids, but are supervised by immoral teachers and admin.
Big_daddy

United States

#11 Nov 10, 2011
Straight from the top it trickles on down to some of the aides. This is only one of the reasons they tried to liquidate once before.  Double dipping retired/rehired. Sad The whole school is an atrocity. Greedy, lustful, jealous, unethical and vengeful staff.   They told us our yearly raises would end next year along with cutting our bonuses at Christmas. Our buildings are falling apart, especially our portables. They are rat infested and the school does not provide us with technology. We have to hold our own fund raisers to buy things such as projectors, etc.  We are in a high tax paying community and collect hefty tax dollars and yet they continue to cut teachers, (unless husbands are on the board, or you might do the principal special favors). The few decent teachers that make it there keep quiet in fear of losing their jobs. Middle school teachers can't spell correctly as you can plainly see by checking out their web sites. It's a poor quality school and I plan on leaving soon. I wish I hadn't taken the job but I will hang in there this year. 
Joez shack

United States

#12 Nov 10, 2011
PVISD is set back in mentality. Shitty curriculum and they enforce corporal punishment. I pulled my son out. The principal is ignorant. Big YES man. No balls.
Citygal

United States

#13 Nov 10, 2011
Wow!!! But I disagree. Mr. West rocks!!! I adore him.
Info needed

Kittanning, PA

#15 Nov 11, 2011
I would like to hear more about your "Double Dipping" comments. It is my understanding that a school is allowed by the state to hire retired educators only if the school had no active, qualified applicants for the position in question.

Basically, it is my understanding that the retired individuals whom you accuse of "Double Dipping" are legally participating in an organized and state-governed program which allows them to assist a school that is having difficulty finding qualified employees. Before retired educators can participate in this program, they must meet the requirements set forth by the Teacher Retirement System. In addition, the school that participates in this program by hiring qualified, retired educators has a stringent set of guidelines to follow and even, in some instances, has to pay some sort of fees or penalties for using retirees depending upon when the individual retired.

In regard to the retiree, I think it is unfair to consider them in any light other than a positive one because they are providing a needed service. Further, every worker has the right to be paid for the work that they do. So, if the school is following the guidelines and hiring retirees only when truly needed, that retiree has every legal, moral, and ethical right to work and be paid.

If you feel that the school is breaking the rules, report them. Otherwise, don't give a "black-eye" to a program that was put in place to assist schools. In addition, I know that there is now a shortage of jobs such that many teachers are out of work and looking for jobs. Please, remember that just because you have several current educators applying for a job does in no way mean that they are qualified for the position for which they are applying; however, the same is also true of a retiree who applies. It boils down to the fact that the school has to make the decision based on their needs, the work history of the applicant, and the applicant's state credentials. Again, if you feel like there are violations, report them to the state as opposed to bashing the program and the individuals.
Slyfox

United States

#16 Nov 12, 2011
Retired school teachers and administrators are cashing in on a special exemption that allows them to return to work at a school for full-time pay while continuing to collect their public pension. What you have here is people taking advantage of a flaw or a loop hole in the system which allows them to continue doing the type of work they have been doing their entire career and collect retirement, which doesn’t make sense. But it does make sense to the state, which can waive the cap on what a public retiree can normally earn in public sector work.  Yes, there is a  "critical need waiver" that is allowed when they agree with school districts that a retiree is the only person they can find to fill a position.(Not the case in the school) Just have to know the right people. These waivers can be highly lucrative, especially for retirees like superintendents whose high salaries lead to six-figure pensions. Then being rehired at another six-figure job like interim superintendents can give these working retirees taxpayer-based incomes of nearly $300,000 in some cases. When you have superintendents retiring who are making anywhere from $150,000 to $200,000, you are talking much larger pensions. Therefore when they get hired back, if there’s a critical shortage declared, they are making a tremendous amount of money. Why wouldn’t a superintendent want to do that?. This incentive which has been created goes in the wrong direction. This double-dipping incentive came nearly 10 years ago when the state paid educators to retire early. It was supposed to help school districts save money by getting higher-paid senior staff off their payrolls. But it backfired, shifting costs to the already overburdened state pension system. It's costing taxpayers millions of dollars. Bottom line is that it's a problem the state created: They gave people these incentives. They took advantage of those incentives and now there is a supposed shortage,
Info needed

Moran, TX

#17 Nov 13, 2011
It is not as fantastic as it sounds as retire/rehire educators are unable to collect all of their retirement checks if they are employed under the 6 month exception plan. Those who retire/rehire after one full year of retirement can collect all retirement checks. TRS enacted new rules for this current school year, and I am unaware of those rules. Regardless, retired people have a right to work if they need to do so, and they certainly deserve to be paid a fair wage for their work. Again, the burden is on the school system to make certain that they follow the guidelines in hiring people who are retired. Actually, I can't see any retirees being hired in the near future due to the glut of unemployed educators. If you feel the system is abused, stop complaining and report those whom you feel are in violation. Personally, I feel that it is a win, win situation for the retired person needing to work and the school needing qualified employees for particular shortage areas. I will agree with you in that it was unfair, totally unfair, for administrators to use the retire/rehire system under a different set of guidelines.
Exposed

United States

#18 Nov 13, 2011
It is one thing to HAVE to work to eat and another to HAVE to work to maintain a particular lifestyle.  When speaking of PV specifically, you have a superintendent whose goal is to have a fat bank account, maintain a lavish home, travel and have a beach house in Galveston, and buy nice things for his wife and grandchildren.  All the while unjustly letting staff go every two years who struggle just to make ends meat. This kind of behavior results in the type of staff that is hired underneath him. The problem with this school is that it is not in an area that is set up for children to thrive. When you look at it like that, corruption shouldn’t come as a surprise because the people employed at this school district go on to view their employment through a prism of how it will be advantageous for them as opposed to what’s in the interest of children. This is how PV works. How can it serve the employers best? It is nothing but a self-serving school system. Greed begets greed.
Info needed

Moran, TX

#19 Nov 13, 2011
Exposed wrote:
It is one thing to HAVE to work to eat and another to HAVE to work to maintain a particular lifestyle.  When speaking of PV specifically, you have a superintendent whose goal is to have a fat bank account, maintain a lavish home, travel and have a beach house in Galveston, and buy nice things for his wife and grandchildren.  All the while unjustly letting staff go every two years who struggle just to make ends meat. This kind of behavior results in the type of staff that is hired underneath him. The problem with this school is that it is not in an area that is set up for children to thrive. When you look at it like that, corruption shouldn’t come as a surprise because the people employed at this school district go on to view their employment through a prism of how it will be advantageous for them as opposed to what’s in the interest of children. This is how PV works. How can it serve the employers best? It is nothing but a self-serving school system. Greed begets greed.
I can't comment about P.V. specifically as I have no knowledge of the school or the individuals. All I can say is that allowing retired individuals to return to work in today's economy is a blessing as many are finding, just like everyone else, that even if they themselves are okay, they have family that is in need of help in one way or another. Then, we also have to consider that the elderly have greater concerns in terms of medical expenses. Regardless of the profession, average retirees are going to need to work in some capacity at some time. Note, I said average retirees and not individuals who are at the top of the salary scale. Again, the program in education that allows retired individuals to work is a good situation for both sides of the equation when the guidelines are followed. I think that the new guidelines make an adjustment for the inequality that administrators enjoyed in the past in that they now must also wait a year before going back to work after retirement just as teachers must do. I am uncertain of the new guidelines, but I do know that the TRS is working to make the system more fair for all. Again, if you feel that abuse exists, report it.
Retiree

United States

#20 Nov 13, 2011
We are talking David and Goliath here. I AM reporting it...here. That's what this forum is for. Like what you read or not! Yes, those poor double dippers have to find a way to earn money for their families who can't earn it for themselves. Is that what you are saying? Anyone can be put in that boat. As far as medical needs. Don't bother me with that with when there are at least 47 million Americans without health care. The situation is grim for anyone on that note. Then you want to cry because your retirement (TRS) isn't good enough to support you without any consideration of those who aren't qualified to retire yet and are left with NO income and NO benefits. The truth is, double dippers are hurting the economy even more so. They don't go back to work for the need, they go back in fear.
Come on now

Moran, TX

#21 Nov 13, 2011
"I AM reporting it...here" is the equivalent of spitting in the wind. This forum is not a government agency with the power to tend to a problem such as this; therefore, we can only conclude that you are just pissing and moaning. You do not really want to do anything yourself, but you do want to rouse the public in hopes that someone will do the job for you. I have got news for you, and the news is that the public in general does not give a d...! You are just abusing this forum because you have a gripe against the school. Go to school and personally tell the administration face to face what you are pissed about, and if that does not get you any satisfaction, go to the school board and on to the state if necessary. Finally, I am with the other person because people have the right to work and get paid. It is legal; so, get over it. I am sorry that you got fired, but you are not alone. You don't have to work here. Move, the jobs are out there; so, go to the jobs where ever they are. One Texas teacher was featured on the TV just last week because she moved to Alaska in order to get a job in education as they were hiring in that state. Bundle up and go because it beats the heck out of whining.
Retiree

United States

#22 Nov 14, 2011
Got fired? From where? I am not saying anything here that is new to the community. Sounds like you are upset because you are a part of the problem. I will not stop "whining" until our system changes, which may be never, but you will just have to get over it.

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