Consent age for teen sex questioned

Consent age for teen sex questioned

There are 22 comments on the Washington Times story from Feb 1, 2007, titled Consent age for teen sex questioned. In it, Washington Times reports that:

Some South Carolina lawmakers say an investigation at Ware Shoals High School involving students, a cheerleading coach and two National Guardsmen should prompt the legislature to consider changing the age at ...

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Jason MacNamara

Kansas City, MO

#1 Feb 2, 2007
I didn't think that I could hear anything that would top the McKinney North High School story, but the bar for indecency has been raised (or lowered maybe?).

The actions of the Cheerleading Coach were absolutely reprehensible in the Ware Shoals High School case. However, sexual relationships between 16 year olds and other same age/older people have occurred for decades if not centuries. In my opinion, the primary effect that changing the age of consent would be is to turn people consenting to sex into criminals. Parents may feel like their childrens' honor and moral principles may be being protected, but informed, uncoerced consent of anyone to sex is still consent. A 16 year old female (or male) who wants to have a relationship with any adult(teacher or not)is going to do so. Period. Chastity has a very poor record of being controlled by the legislature.

I do not question that at 16 I had the intellect and emotional tools to consent to a relationship. I chose not to, but that was a choice I made and I completely trusted my judgement. Given the advancement of our culture and the age at which youth are introducted to sexuality on television and movies, perhaps age of consent should actually be reduced. If attention is focused on having safe sexual relations, and the topic is brought into the open and accepted, the lure of "doing something you are not supposed to" and the intoxicating rush of adrenaline would not occur. Shoplifting, outrunning trains, drinking booze, smoking pot, sex...are all things young adults (and older ones) are not "supposed" to do, which makes them all the more appealing. Take away the "rush", remove the problem.

I am sure that opinions will vary widely and passionatelyon this issue, and sadly the age will probably be raised. Perhaps legislatures would be better seized to study how to provide health care to its citizens than to try to control their morality.
Greenwood Res

Greenwood, SC

#2 Feb 2, 2007
The reason people are talking about raising the age of consent is to specifically allow for a charge in cases like this. Many locals wanted more to charge Ms. Moore with but they basically have only a charge of providing alcohol to minors. I would personally support raising the age to 18 for the same reason I would support lowering the drinking age to 18. If a kid can go to Iraq, he/she should be considered an adult. And I say that as one who does not drink at all and is totally unsympathetic to intoxicated drivers.
As a voter in Greenwood County SC, I would have preferred the sheriff be a little less vocal to the media about the details. He had no obligation to provide the public a report of misdeeds, or alleged misdeeds, that didn't breach the law. I would have preferred that the Sheriff's office convey this information to the District officials and family members with relevant interests but the public, as a whole, did not need to be informed of these sordid, alleged misdeeds. I would have considered a simple statement to the effect of, "We are charging her with providing alcohol to minors" to be professional, and more than sufficient for the media. If no law is broken, like it or not, it is not law enforcement's jurisdiction. The families ,the district officials, and the military officials have to deal with infractions that don't constitute broken civil laws.
Concerned Parent

Chesterfield, VA

#3 Feb 3, 2007
Sweeping this issue under the rug will not solve any problems. Yes, Ms. Moore did not break the law by having sex with a 17 year old student or facilitating the sex between a 16 year old cheerleader and another recruiter, however, how will the voters who want to change laws ever find out that their children are at risk if incidents are not reported? Is this issue embarrasing to the voters of Greenwood County, quite possibly, but I imagine Ms. Moore's husband and family are much more damaged by what she did and the subsequent noteriety she garnered, than anyone else. We should all be embarrassed and ashamed this occurred and take appropriate steps to ensure it doesn't happen again. Moreover, if the principal did in fact attempt to silence others from reporting the actions, then there is a much larger problem here, and shows there are people in positions of trust who are unwilling to address improper behavior, even when it involves people from well established families. This is an issue many are uncomfortable with. It deals with illicit sex and young people, subjects most would like to ignore, but not facing the facts is much more damaging in the long run than the current media attention. I don't know that changing the age of consent will solve the problem, but criticizing the sheriff for doing his job and aiding others in doing their jobs is not the answer.
Greenwood Res

Greenwood, SC

#4 Feb 3, 2007
To answer your question about whether or not it is an embarrassment to the county residents I would say only marginally. My desire for more discretion is out of respect for the family members who are innocent in all of this.

I am not critical of the sheriff for doing his job. I'm critical of the media report that included significant references to alleged misdeeds that not only didn't constitute broken laws, but, in many instance, were based on the statements of teenagers. That does not make them false, but I'm quite sure it does not make them true either. It is very hard to maintain a standard of innocent until proven guilty when the media has already tried someone and spread rumor and innuendo as absolute fact. All law enforcement officers SHOULD hold to that standard.

Your point is well taken though. This has given parents notice and it has prompted many of us to think about something we hadn't before. I don't necessarily think changing the age will stop the activity, per se, either. It does send a message to people that the law will punish adults for having sex with kids under 18 though. It's a disincentive and as such, I think, is a good idea.
Jim in San Antonio

San Antonio, TX

#5 Feb 4, 2007
A sixteen year old should be allowed to consent to sex with an adult, with some exceptions as follows:

1. No relatives: That, said adult not be immediate or distant family, to that that teen, by either marriage, step and/or by blood relation.

2. No financial influence: That, said adult provides no influence or control over ANY portion of any expenses or income associated with that teenagers cost of living, including, schooling, housing, food, clothing, or any expenses related to that teenagers life (including, but not limited to the teen's family landlord, a scholarship coordinator, the employer of the teen's parent, direct employers, the list is endless....)

3. No authoritative influence: That, said adult, serves in NO authoritative capacity, whatsoever, in that teenagers life, including, but not limited to teachers, educators, military recruiters, coaches, youth group leaders, tutors, police, employers, again, many positions could also qualify as authoritative influence.

The offense for adults falling into ANY of the above categories, and having sex with a person under 18 years of age thru the age of 14, shall be a minimum of 10 years in prison. And, a minimum of 5 ADDITIONAL years in prison, for EACH YEAR OF AGE BELOW 14 years, and castration for any adult males, having sex with a child 13 years or younger.
For example, sex between a 10 year old and an adult would = 10 years +(4 X 5 years)= 30 years in prison... MINIMUM...because 10 years is 4 years younger than 14..... and frankly, that thought is disgusting...

4. That, said adult, not falling into any of these above categories (relative, financial or authoritative influence), shall not be 5 years older than a 16 or 17 year old who wishes to consent, excluding the exceptions above.

5. Sex obtained thru force, coercion, weapon, or implied threat of loss of freedom, loss of life, loss of income, loss of social standing, loss of educational opportunity, loss of scholarship, loss of career opportunity of the victim, or of any friends or family to the victim, etc. shall be treated as rape or sexual assault with use of undue influence. And, any prison time found above, shall be double or tripled if ANY type of threat was made in the process of obtaining "consent."

In the cases of the South Carolina cheerleaders... in MANY States... sex between a teacher and a student is a felony, regardless of consent or age...and the same level of authoritative capacity would easily apply to the recruiters under DOD sexual harassment policy.... ESPECIALLY< if any of those cheerleaders had expressed some prior interest in joining the military, and a recruiter exploited his position to obtain sex from a high school junior or senior seeking a military career.

The teacher and the recruiter were free to do whatever they wished between themselves as consenting adults; however, using THEIR positions as a teacher or a recruiter, to obtain sex and sex participation from teenaged school girls was 100% wrong. The teacher and recruiter should have not "fished in their own pond." And, would have been better off trolling a college campus or strip club for females over 18 years of age.

A 16 or 17 year old student should not be legally allowed to consent to sex with any of their teachers, coaches, employers or recruiters...because the level of influence that persons position holds over that minor can not be accurately determined. Many States protect minors in this age group from consent obtained by persons in positions of power or authority, and apparently, South Carolina does not protect them.

It was also the last State to abolish slavery and still permits flying of the Confederate & Nazi flags... so, it's hard to not be surprised... maybe it still is a State of barefooted, hillbilly redneck morons...and the family tree's grow straight up thier cheerleaders skirts!
mrclean

Hemingway, SC

#6 Feb 4, 2007
Go to link below for age of consent in SC

http://forums.goupstate.com/eve/forums...
mrclean

Hemingway, SC

#7 Mar 29, 2007
Jason MacNamara said: "I am sure that opinions will vary widely and passionately on this issue, and sadly the age will probably be raised. Perhaps legislatures would be better served to study how to provide health care to its citizens than to try to control their morality."

I agree. At least they're giving the people a chance to vote on the age of consent.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/ware-shoals-s...
Bill Williams

Stockton, CA

#8 Apr 10, 2007
I think that everyone who has opted to lower the age for consent between teen and adults sex are perverts and have probably already broken the law. There is no way teeagers are ready to engange in sexual relationships - they are just kids! It doesnt suprise me that any time this subject pops up there does not seem to be a lack of perverts having their say.

Since: Apr 07

backwoods,ky

#9 Apr 28, 2007
Bill Williams wrote:
I think that everyone who has opted to lower the age for consent between teen and adults sex are perverts and have probably already broken the law. There is no way teeagers are ready to engange in sexual relationships - they are just kids! It doesnt suprise me that any time this subject pops up there does not seem to be a lack of perverts having their say.
NUMBER ONE I am not a pervert but a concern mom...in this wonder state I live in if my child who by the way is under 16 went and had sex with any one around three years of her age that person will not be charged ( in the state of ky consent age is 16)but the parent is charged with neglect related underage sexual relations of their child and if they where aware that their child was say hangout or had a boyfriend that was 15 or 16y/o and took the said girl for protection and education on STD/pregnancy that can be a sex offense charge involving soliciting sex
mrclean

Hemingway, SC

#10 Apr 28, 2007
"where do i stand" wrote something above, but I can't understand what she's saying. Could you please get someone to proof-read your post and re-submit it?

Since: Apr 07

backwoods,ky

#11 Apr 29, 2007
mrclean wrote:
"where do i stand" wrote something above, but I can't understand what she's saying. Could you please get someone to proof-read your post and re-submit it?
Let me define this for undergraduates of our society.
example[Quote: Last year, South Carolina lawmakers lowered the age of consent to 14 in some cases, in an amendment to a bill strengthening penalties against child sex offenders. The so-called "Romeo" clause exempted men 18 and younger who have consensual sex with 14- and 15-year-old girls.][Quote;"We should certainly change that to 18," said state House Speaker Bobby Harrell, a Republican from Charleston. "The fact that a 16-year-old can consent is not something I was aware of until this occurred. I suspect a lot of members of the legislature and citizens of South Carolina did not know."]
What I was saying that when I was that age of 14 there was some girls married but most of the girls
never talked about sex or they was still a virgin
We were just kids but in todays society the age of children discussing sex begins at 10.
Before someone gets their underwear in a uproar ask around. I know if your state of SC raise the age to 18 and they are anything like KY then parents get charged for their kids actions. I as a parent monitor what my child does but the action she choose to take several months ago was when she went a relatives to spend the weekend and a friend lived up the road her cousin and her was hanging out there and this boy she like was there too..she choose to have sex with him and I the parent was unaware.. Just say that the KY snowball effect started with court/DSS etc..
Judge Peter Hill

Las Vegas, NV

#12 Apr 29, 2007
Greenwood Res wrote:
The reason people are talking about raising the age of consent is to specifically allow for a charge in cases like this. Many locals wanted more to charge Ms. Moore with but they basically have only a charge of providing alcohol to minors. I would personally support raising the age to 18 for the same reason I would support lowering the drinking age to 18. If a kid can go to Iraq, he/she should be considered an adult. And I say that as one who does not drink at all and is totally unsympathetic to intoxicated drivers.
As a voter in Greenwood County SC, I would have preferred the sheriff be a little less vocal to the media about the details. He had no obligation to provide the public a report of misdeeds, or alleged misdeeds, that didn't breach the law. I would have preferred that the Sheriff's office convey this information to the District officials and family members with relevant interests but the public, as a whole, did not need to be informed of these sordid, alleged misdeeds. I would have considered a simple statement to the effect of, "We are charging her with providing alcohol to minors" to be professional, and more than sufficient for the media. If no law is broken, like it or not, it is not law enforcement's jurisdiction. The families ,the district officials, and the military officials have to deal with infractions that don't constitute broken civil laws.
Your point is well taken, however, the primary danger in actions such as these is the negative side effects of passing laws in the heat of the moment. My gut reaction to passing a law like this is what about a 15 year old boy who has consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend? Raising the age of consent in general would make a criminal of the boy and potentially expose him to a prison sentence. The idea is to raise the age of consent between those several years apart in age, not just a blanket age in general. I have personally met 14 year olds who are more mature than so called adults over 21. An interesting sidelight here is that under English Common Law, statuatory rape was defined as "the act of sexual intercourse with a female (not his wife) who has not reached the age of 16 years old." The common law was later modified to excluded males under 24 from being charged with a crime to prevent overzealous prosecutors from charging underage boys for having sex with their underage girlfriends. My point here is that legislatures of all states need to carefully consider the consequenses of their actions, which could potentially tie a Judge's hands if a young male were charged in his/her court under such a law passed by an otherwise well meaning legislature.

Since: Apr 07

Hilton Head Island, SC

#13 Jun 5, 2007
Wait, lemme get this straight...

The LEGISLATURE didn't know what the consent age was????

Morons.

I find it ironic that you can become an official slut a 16, but have to be 18 to get married. There's a big problem with our laws right there.

Since: Apr 07

Hilton Head Island, SC

#14 Jun 5, 2007
Jim in San Antonio wrote:
It was also the last State to abolish slavery and still permits flying of the Confederate & Nazi flags... so, it's hard to not be surprised... maybe it still is a State of barefooted, hillbilly redneck morons...and the family tree's grow straight up thier cheerleaders skirts!
And maybe you're an assuming moron.
Zoompad

Reading, UK

#15 Jun 5, 2007
Judge Peter Hill wrote:
<quoted text>
Your point is well taken, however, the primary danger in actions such as these is the negative side effects of passing laws in the heat of the moment. My gut reaction to passing a law like this is what about a 15 year old boy who has consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend? Raising the age of consent in general would make a criminal of the boy and potentially expose him to a prison sentence. The idea is to raise the age of consent between those several years apart in age, not just a blanket age in general. I have personally met 14 year olds who are more mature than so called adults over 21. An interesting sidelight here is that under English Common Law, statuatory rape was defined as "the act of sexual intercourse with a female (not his wife) who has not reached the age of 16 years old." The common law was later modified to excluded males under 24 from being charged with a crime to prevent overzealous prosecutors from charging underage boys for having sex with their underage girlfriends. My point here is that legislatures of all states need to carefully consider the consequenses of their actions, which could potentially tie a Judge's hands if a young male were charged in his/her court under such a law passed by an otherwise well meaning legislature.
Well, in my case, I was a normal little girl, until I was raped by my brother, aged 11. He used to use me as a punchbag to vent his frustrations with the world, his doctor at the time thought he was mentally unbalanced. I know he was, and at the time, the school we all went to was harbouring paedophiles, one in particular used to get his sexual gratification by caning as many little boys as possible. I remember him going round the classroom whacking all the boys and making them cry, whacking them for nothing. I blame him for the root of my problems. If it hadn't been fot him, perhaps my brother wouldn't have been psychologically disturbed, and perhaps he wouldn't have had such poor moral values to want to rape his 11 year old sister.

Anyway, things got so bad for me that I used to get away from the house as much as possible. I used to lock myself into a room and scream. My parents called in Social Services, and to cut a long story short, I was taken into "care" but the care home was being run by paedophiles! And Staffordshire Police raped me by forcing me to have an internal examination against my will, and here were 4 big policemen in the room at the time, laughing and joking, and they said that if I didn't lie down and let them do it, they would hold me down and make me have it done. And what they did to me has haunted me for over 30 years, and caused me so much grief and pain.

So if I were a judge, and two 15 year olds were hauled before me, I would take no action at all against those children. But I would certainly start an investigation to find the ADULTS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY who had interfered with those children.
jill

Marion, SC

#16 Dec 5, 2007
in the state of south carolina if i am 17 am i considered an adult? Can i date an adult?
Be for real

Myrtle Beach, SC

#17 Dec 6, 2007
People, people, it's GREENWOOD!! What the hell else is there to do in that God-forsaken town/county????
cin

United States

#18 Dec 8, 2007
jill wrote:
in the state of south carolina if i am 17 am i considered an adult? Can i date an adult?
NO and NO... age of consent for sex is 14!
Cali

San Antonio, TX

#19 Dec 19, 2007
okay if i am 16 an dating a 17 year old which his birthday is june 07 an mine is aug 2 an i got preganat right now could he get in trouble like could my dad press charges on him or get him locked up cause he got me pregnant?....
My dad keeps saying that an i want to know if its true...we live in texas...!
Cali

San Antonio, TX

#20 Dec 19, 2007
could he make me give my baby up also?....

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