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Cops crack down on cell phones in school zones

There are 117 comments on the Antioch Review story from Sep 22, 2010, titled Cops crack down on cell phones in school zones. In it, Antioch Review reports that:

The Niles Police Department is focusing on preventing cell phone usage, including texting, in school zones.

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VyvB

United States

#21 Sep 28, 2010
Hold please wrote:
Then I guess you don't consider EVERYONE using a cell phone while driving a "distracted driver" who is lacking in "common sense".
Those using a cell phone, as in holding the phone to their ear while driving, have no common sense. Sorry, I don't have a phone that falls into your "most phones" category. Neither do the idiots I see in front of me everyday with their hand to their ear driving like crap. Nor the idiot who backed into my vehicle in the Jewel parking lot, even though I sounded my horn as I was trying to get out of her way, because she was too tied up in her non-hands-free cell phone conversation.
Mystery Man

Villa Park, IL

#22 Sep 28, 2010
VyvB excellent point you made.( I can see now why HOLD PLEASE keeps getting confused with which one of us she's talking to.)
Which makes me wonder what those conversations with her is like in the car.
I don't see a lot of hands free drivers.
I do see a lot of phones stuck to the ear of very distracted drivers.
They won't even put it down to make a left turn. Very scary.
Knock on wood i haven't been hit yet but i had a few close calls with these " gosh its just like any normal conversation " bubble heads.
NO ITS NOT LIKE ANY CONVERSATION.
That's why they are passing laws and looking into the increase in accidents.
And you can bet sooner or later the insurance companies will make changes in the polices if they have to keep paying out.
Watch for cops to start making notes on it in their traffic accident reports.
District 34 Parent

Mchenry, IL

#23 Sep 28, 2010
What I would like to know is why a person feels the need to use a cellphone at all while driving a vehicle around any type of residential or city area?

Why can't you make your calls before you leave your home, or while you are in your office? Why do people feel the need to get on their cellphones while they are driving in areas where there are children or congestion?

I have a big problem with this. While you are talking on your cellphone, your attention is not directed toward what is going on around your moving vehicle. Your concentration is on a conversation with someone who is not in your vehicle. You cannot compare talking on a cellphone with talking with a passenger. The passenger is another pair of eyes to be aware of what is going on around your vehicle. That's the difference! While on a cellphone, you are concentrating on some other business, not totally focused on driving a motorized vehicle which I consider to be a weapon on the road.

I certainly would not want my son or daughter crossing the street while some driver is focused on his or her conversation on their cellphone. It takes total awareness when you are driving within school zones and within city/town limits to be able to in an instant make a decision to avoid any type of accident which has the potential of occuring. I feel every driver has that responsibility.

Again, I ask the question, what is so important that needs to be discussed via a cellphone while driving to and from a destination within school zones and city/town limits? Adults should be responsible and drive "safely". If that means organizing and managing your time better, than learn to do so.

But, I have a huge disagreement with the "HOLD PLEASE" poster. You are putting people at risk with your argument.
Taxpayer

AOL

#24 Sep 28, 2010
Forget the texting, get a hands free and problem solved.
Mystery Man

Lockport, IL

#25 Sep 29, 2010
Taxpayer wrote:
Forget the texting, get a hands free and problem solved.
It doesn't solve the problem. See the post above yours.
The point is the driver is distracted regardless of what type of phone they are using.
These drivers are far more distracted because of these phones then are other drivers having a conversation with a passenger.
I have as a driver told people in my car to shut up because i wanted to concentrate on my driving.
Phone on cell phones ( hands free or not ) just don't and won't do that.
Driving requires a high level of concentration. You never know when a car, animal, or a pedestrian will step out in front of your car.
You can skid on ice or slide in the rain. You can be blinded by lights or lost in the dark.
You need to get off the phone and pay attention to your driving.
Lets stay safe and not think stupid.
I'll vote for the politician that pushes banning ALL phones in cars.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

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#26 Sep 29, 2010
VyvB wrote:
<quoted text>
Those using a cell phone, as in holding the phone to their ear while driving, have no common sense. Sorry, I don't have a phone that falls into your "most phones" category. Neither do the idiots I see in front of me everyday with their hand to their ear driving like crap. Nor the idiot who backed into my vehicle in the Jewel parking lot, even though I sounded my horn as I was trying to get out of her way, because she was too tied up in her non-hands-free cell phone conversation.
1. Those people probably would drive like morons with a phone or not.
2. Just because someone is holding a phone to their ear doesn't mean they have no common sense. You disagree with it, that's one thing, but don't make sweeping characterizations about people you don't know.
3. Now we all see where your motivation comes from - you have a personal stake in this issue. This isn't about "common sense" or anything like that, you're simply angry because you had a bit of a fender-bender with someone who was on the phone. Or, to be accurate, someone who wasn't paying attention to YOU.

Do I disagree that driving with only one hand free is not the best way to drive? Totally. Do I think that the people who drive that way are "idiots" or have no "common sense"? No. Would I recommend that they use hands-free? Sure would.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

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#27 Sep 29, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
VyvB excellent point you made.( I can see now why HOLD PLEASE keeps getting confused with which one of us she's talking to.)
Which makes me wonder what those conversations with her is like in the car.
I don't see a lot of hands free drivers.
I do see a lot of phones stuck to the ear of very distracted drivers.
They won't even put it down to make a left turn. Very scary.
Knock on wood i haven't been hit yet but i had a few close calls with these " gosh its just like any normal conversation " bubble heads.
1. I find it interesting that you assume I'm a woman. Do I sense a bit of stereotyping there? Not for nothing, but I'm not a woman.
2. Why are you looking at people in other cars? Keep your eyes on the road.
Mystery Man wrote:
NO ITS NOT LIKE ANY CONVERSATION.
Keep telling yourself that. Hands free is just like any normal conversation. The scenario you imagine almost NEVER happens. If you don't have the capability to engage in multiple activities at once, don't assume the rest of us can't either.
Mystery Man wrote:
That's why they are passing laws and looking into the increase in accidents.
And you can bet sooner or later the insurance companies will make changes in the polices if they have to keep paying out.
Watch for cops to start making notes on it in their traffic accident reports.
And if someone is driving with one hand on the wheel and another on their phone, then I hope they do. But I would hope they'd have the discretion to not penalize those who chose to wear a headset.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

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#28 Sep 29, 2010
District 34 Parent wrote:
What I would like to know is why a person feels the need to use a cellphone at all while driving a vehicle around any type of residential or city area?
Maybe because they're asking for directions.
District 34 Parent wrote:
Why can't you make your calls before you leave your home, or while you are in your office? Why do people feel the need to get on their cellphones while they are driving in areas where there are children or congestion?
Because time is money.
District 34 Parent wrote:
I have a big problem with this. While you are talking on your cellphone, your attention is not directed toward what is going on around your moving vehicle. Your concentration is on a conversation with someone who is not in your vehicle. You cannot compare talking on a cellphone with talking with a passenger. The passenger is another pair of eyes to be aware of what is going on around your vehicle. That's the difference! While on a cellphone, you are concentrating on some other business, not totally focused on driving a motorized vehicle which I consider to be a weapon on the road.
1. Stop the histrionics. A car is not a weapon. It's a responsibility, sure, but it's not a weapon.
2. Ever seen a couple arguing while driving? That's WAY more dangerous.
District 34 Parent wrote:
I certainly would not want my son or daughter crossing the street while some driver is focused on his or her conversation on their cellphone. It takes total awareness when you are driving within school zones and within city/town limits to be able to in an instant make a decision to avoid any type of accident which has the potential of occuring. I feel every driver has that responsibility.
The magic word here is "accident". These happen, cell phone or not.
The problem most of the people like you seem to have is you think that having a conversation requires "focus" or "concentration". It doesn't. Should the operation of a vehicle be the first priority? Certainly it should. See, like many others, you miss that it's the PERSON in the car who's the problem. There are millions of cell phone conversations that go on in automobiles every day without a problem. VyvB wants to blame the cell phone for the accident that happened in the parking lot, but they should put the blame on the PERSON driving the car. Clearly that woman was in her own little world, and cared little about anything besides herself. She'd be that way if she were on the phone, talking to a friend in the car, listening to the radio or anything else. That woman thinks that SHE is the only important person in the world. Mystery Man talks of all the people he sees holding a cell phone while driving. It's not the fault of the cell phone, but it's the selfishness and arrogance of those PEOPLE that makes them think they can drive safely that way.
District 34 Parent wrote:
Again, I ask the question, what is so important that needs to be discussed via a cellphone while driving to and from a destination within school zones and city/town limits? Adults should be responsible and drive "safely". If that means organizing and managing your time better, than learn to do so.
What is "safely"? Your definition of "safely" and my definition would probably differ.
And to answer your question again - time is money. Time driving is time wasted.
District 34 Parent wrote:
But, I have a huge disagreement with the "HOLD PLEASE" poster. You are putting people at risk with your argument.
My argument is putting people at risk? Well that would be a first. All I'm asking is that you all start to understand that it's not right to punish the majority of us for the selfishness and arrogance of others. I don't agree with this assertion that just because someone happens to be on the phone while driving they're not paying attention. That's grandiose stereotyping in an attempt to ban a behavior that you simply don't understand or want to accept.
Mystery Man

Lockport, IL

#29 Sep 29, 2010
Can i switch with VyvB ? I want to answer your responses to him.
But seriously i'll deal with your problem with me.
No point in copying your stuff. You'll know what i'm responding to.

Yeah i really did think you're a woman. You whine like one. " Wah give me right to drive obnoxiously with my cell phone wah."

Looking into other cars ? Like you can't see into the car in front of you or behind you at a light ?
What's the fun of driving naked if no one is going to look ?

Yeah keep telling yourself hands free is just as bad as holding the phone to your ear BECAUSE its still a distraction.
Now repeat that everyday all day it'll work for ya.

I'm really hoping they totally out law phones in cars just so that they will single you and penalize you. OK that does sound harsh. I want all cell phone drivers punished along with you !! Is that better ?

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#30 Sep 29, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't solve the problem. See the post above yours.
The point is the driver is distracted regardless of what type of phone they are using.
These drivers are far more distracted because of these phones then are other drivers having a conversation with a passenger.
I have as a driver told people in my car to shut up because i wanted to concentrate on my driving.
Phone on cell phones ( hands free or not ) just don't and won't do that.
Driving requires a high level of concentration. You never know when a car, animal, or a pedestrian will step out in front of your car.
You can skid on ice or slide in the rain. You can be blinded by lights or lost in the dark.
You need to get off the phone and pay attention to your driving.
Lets stay safe and not think stupid.
I'll vote for the politician that pushes banning ALL phones in cars.
Because you're selfish and you base your opinion about others' capabilities based on what you feel YOUR capable of. You said it right here, "I have as a driver told people in my car to shut up because i wanted to concentrate on my driving." That's YOU. I and everyone I know don't have a problem with people talking in the car. And for your scenarios involving the ice or rain? You claim to be such a safe, focused driver - have you ever had anything like that happen? Did your level of concentration have any affect on whether or not you slid on the ice? Chances are no. Sh!t happens.
Just Sayin

Chicago, IL

#31 Sep 29, 2010
Hold please wrote:
<quoted text>
That's your opinion that someone cannot do two things at once. What's the difference between using hands-free on a cell phone and having a conversation with other passengers in the car? Are you saying that you can never have a conversation while driving?
Enough with the histrionics. There are bad drivers out there and people were getting into accidents long before the cell phone existed.
And when cell phones didn't exist we were able to have full lives without being on the phone every freakin' second.
Just Sayin

Chicago, IL

#32 Sep 29, 2010
Hold please wrote:
<quoted text>
Because you're selfish and you base your opinion about others' capabilities based on what you feel YOUR capable of. You said it right here, "I have as a driver told people in my car to shut up because i wanted to concentrate on my driving." That's YOU. I and everyone I know don't have a problem with people talking in the car. And for your scenarios involving the ice or rain? You claim to be such a safe, focused driver - have you ever had anything like that happen? Did your level of concentration have any affect on whether or not you slid on the ice? Chances are no. Sh!t happens.
The selfish people are the ones that think the rest of us want to be one of their victims because they are yakking on the phone. They are the people who think we all want to listen to their conversations on the phone when we go shopping, to the doctor, the bank, etc. They are the ones that think their phone conversations are more important that common courtesy to other people. "Time is money" they say -- another example of a selfish attitude.
Mystery Man

Lockport, IL

#33 Sep 29, 2010
Hold please wrote:
<quoted text>
Because you're selfish and you base your opinion about others' capabilities based on what you feel YOUR capable of. You said it right here, "I have as a driver told people in my car to shut up because i wanted to concentrate on my driving." That's YOU. I and everyone I know don't have a problem with people talking in the car. And for your scenarios involving the ice or rain? You claim to be such a safe, focused driver - have you ever had anything like that happen? Did your level of concentration have any affect on whether or not you slid on the ice? Chances are no. Sh!t happens.
Actually you're jumping on a comment i was making to TAXPAYER and not to you.
What's the matter ? Were you feeling left out ?
Who's selfish now ? You can't stand it when you're left out of the comments.
I see nothing wrong with telling people in my car to shut up so i can concentrate on my driving during bad weather or bad road conditions. Their lives are in my hands and i will do everything i can to keep them safe. You wouldn't understand that probably because to you a phone call is more important then safe driving.
Drivers like me are safe drivers because we know there are times when driving is more difficult then at other times. Its at these times we concentrate even more or our driving.
If that cell phone is your world then you are clueless.
You need a wake up call ( love that pun ) before you hurt someone in a car accident.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#34 Sep 29, 2010
District 34 Parent wrote:
The law went into effect January 2010. No cellphone usage, talking or texting. I even mentioned to the schools they should put a sign out there under the bright yellow/green school crossing signs a "NO CELLPHONE" sign.
All I see are adults on their cellphones while parents are driving their kids to school. I even see the parents who are drivng the kids on cellphones! What I don't see is this new law being enforced.
With all the construcion going on this summer into fall, it's about time!
I agree with this law , but if the police want to enforce it they also should refrain from using their cell phones while driving to. I myself witnessed a police officer driving with a cell phone in her ear while driving my kid to a school function this evening.There is an old saying , "Practice What You Preach".
District 34 Parent

Mchenry, IL

#35 Sep 29, 2010
Too much argument for justification of using a device that distracts the attention of a driver.

And Mr. "Hold Please" who needs to use a cellphone while driving stating that "time is money". The lives of our children are priceless. No amount of money is going to replace the life of a child.

You must be a salesman because you certainly sound like one. You have no reasoning ability and no one is going to sway your weak justifications of this topic.

Do as you please, but make no mistake, you hit and kill any living being with your vehicle while you are making money saving time on your cellphone and you're going to be in deep cow manure.

Because your hiny is going to be sued big time and no amount of money is going to justify your choice of being irresponsible. And, yes, vehicles are weapons when irresponsible idiots are behind the wheel.
VyvB

United States

#36 Sep 30, 2010
Hold please wrote:
1. Those people probably would drive like morons with a phone or not.
That's your big point? That they would "probably" drive like morons anyway? Really? Get some facts and figures like the proponents of cell phone bans have and we can continue this debate.
Hold please wrote:
2. Just because someone is holding a phone to their ear doesn't mean they have no common sense. You disagree with it, that's one thing, but don't make sweeping characterizations about people you don't know.
True. Obviously I am exaggerating. They may have common sense in other areas of life, just not about safe driving. Of course, we are talking about cell phone use while driving, so I would think any reasonable person would realize that my characterization of these people as "morons" and "having no common sense" would only apply to the topic at hand. Did I hit a personal nerve? Did you just recently get your hands-free phone?
Hold please wrote:
3. Now we all see where your motivation comes from - you have a personal stake in this issue. This isn't about "common sense" or anything like that, you're simply angry because you had a bit of a fender-bender with someone who was on the phone. Or, to be accurate, someone who wasn't paying attention to YOU.
Duh. Of course I have personal motivation. What a stupid accusation. But you're wrong on many points, including wanting people to pay attention to ME. I want drivers to pay attention to ALL OTHER DRIVERS AROUND THEM while driving. I do. I do so to remain safe and to be courteous to other drivers. And lately, nine times out of ten, when I see a dangerous or discourteous driver, they have that damn cell phone held up to their ear. It's not about the fender bender a few years ago. It's about the ever increasing number of jackasses I see driving with one hand at their ear.
Hold please wrote:
Do I disagree that driving with only one hand free is not the best way to drive? Totally. Do I think that the people who drive that way are "idiots" or have no "common sense"? No. Would I recommend that they use hands-free? Sure would.
Like I said, you can apply my comments directly to their driving habits. I have a friend who I readily admit is a brilliant man, but he lacks the common sense not to drive when he is exhausted. I've chided him and called him an idiot for driving when he can barely stay awake to no avail. You keep acting like I'm personally calling you an idiot. Why is that?

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

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#37 Sep 30, 2010

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

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#38 Sep 30, 2010
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
And when cell phones didn't exist we were able to have full lives without being on the phone every freakin' second.
Maybe some people feel that this is something they need in their lives. Everybody's different and everybody's not the same as you. If you "lead a full life" without being on the phone, then good for you. And if someone else leads a full life while being on the phone, then good for them too. Stop trying to make everyone fit into your definition of what a "full life" should be.
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
The selfish people are the ones that think the rest of us want to be one of their victims because they are yakking on the phone. They are the people who think we all want to listen to their conversations on the phone when we go shopping, to the doctor, the bank, etc. They are the ones that think their phone conversations are more important that common courtesy to other people. "Time is money" they say -- another example of a selfish attitude.
No, "time is money" is a fact and a very big part of living in this World. You think that those who talk on the phone in public are "selfish", but, once again, I see someone talking on the phone in the waiting room while they wait the unnecessary hour to see the doctor no different than someone in the waiting room having a conversation with a friend. And why shouldn't someone talk on the phone while waiting? It helps to pass the time and for many it's an opportunity to get business done.
How about instead of calling these people selfish, YOU stop being rude and listening to others' conversations.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#39 Sep 30, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
Actually you're jumping on a comment i was making to TAXPAYER and not to you.
What's the matter ? Were you feeling left out ?
Who's selfish now ? You can't stand it when you're left out of the comments.

You got me MM, I was feeling left out.
What part of "Your list of recent posts is currently PUBLIC" do you not understand? You post it, it's available for EVERYONE to comment upon. Welcome to the Internet and Public Forums. We're happy to have you.
Mystery Man wrote:
I see nothing wrong with telling people in my car to shut up so i can concentrate on my driving during bad weather or bad road conditions. Their lives are in my hands and i will do everything i can to keep them safe.

No one is saying you're not free to tell people in your car to "shut up" (and what's sad is I'm sure you're that rude when you do), but stop trying to tell others what to do in their own cars. If you're not confident enough in your driving skills to allow people to converse in your car, then that's you. But as for me and millions of others, we're just fine with having a conversation while driving.

See, you're missing the point - you keep attributing your shortcomings to others, which is simply the wrong way to go. Everyone has different skill levels in every aspect of life. Everyone is different. So what works for you, doesn't necessarily work for someone else.
Mystery Man wrote:
You wouldn't understand that probably because to you a phone call is more important then safe driving.
Drivers like me are safe drivers because we know there are times when driving is more difficult then at other times. Its at these times we concentrate even more or our driving.

And we're all proud of you. But once again, you've proven my earlier point - it's not the cell phone that causes a hazard, but the DRIVER. If someone is driving in snow, ice or rain and doesn't make adjustments, but rather continues to drive as if conditions were perfect, then it doesn't matter if there's a cell phone involved or not. Concentration and adjusting for conditions is a conscious choice on the part of the driver and if they choose not to do so, the damage is already done.
Mystery Man wrote:
If that cell phone is your world then you are clueless.
You need a wake up call ( love that pun ) before you hurt someone in a car accident.

You would love that pun. And your exaggerations are just as lame.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#40 Sep 30, 2010
District 34 Parent wrote:
Too much argument for justification of using a device that distracts the attention of a driver.
And Mr. "Hold Please" who needs to use a cellphone while driving stating that "time is money". The lives of our children are priceless. No amount of money is going to replace the life of a child.
You must be a salesman because you certainly sound like one. You have no reasoning ability and no one is going to sway your weak justifications of this topic.
Do as you please, but make no mistake, you hit and kill any living being with your vehicle while you are making money saving time on your cellphone and you're going to be in deep cow manure.
Because your hiny is going to be sued big time and no amount of money is going to justify your choice of being irresponsible. And, yes, vehicles are weapons when irresponsible idiots are behind the wheel.
Histrionics. That's all this post is. Yes, children are priceless, but no more so than anyone else. And no one as yet has shown me anything that says talking on a phone using a hands-free device is any more or less dangerous than singing along with the radio or having a conversation with other passengers in the car.

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