Cops crack down on cell phones in school zones

Sep 22, 2010 Full story: Antioch Review 117

The Niles Police Department is focusing on preventing cell phone usage, including texting, in school zones.

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District 34 Parent

Round Lake, IL

#1 Sep 22, 2010
The law went into effect January 2010. No cellphone usage, talking or texting. I even mentioned to the schools they should put a sign out there under the bright yellow/green school crossing signs a "NO CELLPHONE" sign.

All I see are adults on their cellphones while parents are driving their kids to school. I even see the parents who are drivng the kids on cellphones! What I don't see is this new law being enforced.

With all the construcion going on this summer into fall, it's about time!
Mystery Man

Romeoville, IL

#2 Sep 22, 2010
I wish they would take it further and totally out law cell phones in a car INCLUDING hands free.
Driving requires as much attention as you can give it.
Not just both hands but your mind as well.
And before you bring up eating a burger or other stuff i would like all that outlawed as well.
Drivers need to drive period.
I'm all for max enforcement of these no cell phone laws.
VyvB

United States

#3 Sep 23, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
Not just both hands but your mind as well.
If they could enforce using your brain while driving there'd be a lot less congestion...

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

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#4 Sep 23, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
I wish they would take it further and totally out law cell phones in a car INCLUDING hands free.
Driving requires as much attention as you can give it.
Not just both hands but your mind as well.
And before you bring up eating a burger or other stuff i would like all that outlawed as well.
Drivers need to drive period.
I'm all for max enforcement of these no cell phone laws.
It's disturbing to see how not only does the spirit of Big Brother still live within some of us, but how much these same people don't see anything wrong with it. All in the name of "safety". Stop using children to try to push your dictatorial agenda.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#5 Sep 23, 2010
District 34 Parent wrote:
The law went into effect January 2010. No cellphone usage, talking or texting. I even mentioned to the schools they should put a sign out there under the bright yellow/green school crossing signs a "NO CELLPHONE" sign.
All I see are adults on their cellphones while parents are driving their kids to school. I even see the parents who are drivng the kids on cellphones! What I don't see is this new law being enforced.
With all the construcion going on this summer into fall, it's about time!
I'm with you on the signs. If we're going to have this law, then we should be able to notify people that it exists. For me, I never knew about this law until I read the article today.
VyvB

United States

#6 Sep 23, 2010
Hold please wrote:
I'm with you on the signs. If we're going to have this law, then we should be able to notify people that it exists. For me, I never knew about this law until I read the article today.
To quote you: "Really? Really?" Because it was all over the news for quite a long time. The only thing I found ridiculous about the law is that we need a special law for cell phone usage. That and eating a cheeseburger while driving should be covered under Reckless Driving.

I also think the term Hate Crime is redundant and should just be Crime, period.
Mystery Man

Lombard, IL

#7 Sep 23, 2010
Hold please wrote:
<quoted text>
It's disturbing to see how not only does the spirit of Big Brother still live within some of us, but how much these same people don't see anything wrong with it. All in the name of "safety". Stop using children to try to push your dictatorial agenda.
Where did i use kids in my posts ?
I'm against using cell phones while drive anywhere and everywhere.
And i'm totally against the nanny state.
I firmly believe i have a right to eat what i want, how much i want, and just about anything else i want to do. And i want you to have that same freedom.
HOWEVER when freedom interferes with public safety then that freedom stops.
When you go driving along yacking away on a cell phone not paying attention to other cars and pedestrians then your freedom should end for the safety of those you put in danger.
I don't care if its a school zone or a left turn lane onto a highway.
Pull over somewhere and talk on the phone. That call isn't as important as the lives you put at risks.
That's not a nanny state ideology that common decency.
Mystery Man

Lombard, IL

#8 Sep 23, 2010
VyvB wrote:
<quoted text>I also think the term Hate Crime is redundant and should just be Crime, period.
Now that is something i agree with.
The idea that just because of someone's race, gender, or sexual preference suddenly the crime deserves a stronger sentence is BS.

I want to see those that commit a serious offense towards another person receive the full max sentence against them.

I was brought up to believe justice is blind so that everyone gets a fair trial.
Hate crime penalties shows that only certain races, gender, and sexual preference get justice. The rest of us have to settle for less.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#9 Sep 24, 2010
VyvB wrote:
<quoted text>
To quote you: "Really? Really?" Because it was all over the news for quite a long time. The only thing I found ridiculous about the law is that we need a special law for cell phone usage. That and eating a cheeseburger while driving should be covered under Reckless Driving.
I also think the term Hate Crime is redundant and should just be Crime, period.
I totally agree, but still, if you're going to designate certain areas as "Cell Phone Free Zones" you need to clearly mark said zones.

And I'm going to have to call Shenanigans on your "all over the news", since, as I said before, this is the first I've heard of it.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#10 Sep 24, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did i use kids in my posts ?
I'm against using cell phones while drive anywhere and everywhere.
And i'm totally against the nanny state.
I firmly believe i have a right to eat what i want, how much i want, and just about anything else i want to do. And i want you to have that same freedom.
HOWEVER when freedom interferes with public safety then that freedom stops.
When you go driving along yacking away on a cell phone not paying attention to other cars and pedestrians then your freedom should end for the safety of those you put in danger.
I don't care if its a school zone or a left turn lane onto a highway.
Pull over somewhere and talk on the phone. That call isn't as important as the lives you put at risks.
That's not a nanny state ideology that common decency.
That's your opinion that someone cannot do two things at once. What's the difference between using hands-free on a cell phone and having a conversation with other passengers in the car? Are you saying that you can never have a conversation while driving?

Enough with the histrionics. There are bad drivers out there and people were getting into accidents long before the cell phone existed.
Mystery Man

Lake In The Hills, IL

#11 Sep 24, 2010
Hold please wrote:
<quoted text>
That's your opinion that someone cannot do two things at once. What's the difference between using hands-free on a cell phone and having a conversation with other passengers in the car? Are you saying that you can never have a conversation while driving?
Enough with the histrionics. There are bad drivers out there and people were getting into accidents long before the cell phone existed.
LOL you never went driving with me.
YES i actually do hate to converse in my car. In fact i rarely use a radio. Mostly for weather and traffic reports.
And i also hate having people in my car. When i was married my wife did most of our driving. For the record she was the best driver i ever knew. Even better then me.
Of course there have been accidents since cars were first invented.
But clearly cell phones are increasing those numbers.
Or do you think the cell phone laws were written just to tick you off ?
Seriously those laws were written for only one reason because its obvious that there is a real connection between cell phones - alertness - accidents.
That's not my opinion that's a proven fact.
Go ask your car insurance person ( you do have car insurance right ?)And see what that person says.
One more thing it was all over the news.
Including newspapers.( i'm big on reading )
VyvB

United States

#12 Sep 27, 2010
Hold please wrote:
<quoted text>
I totally agree, but still, if you're going to designate certain areas as "Cell Phone Free Zones" you need to clearly mark said zones.
And I'm going to have to call Shenanigans on your "all over the news", since, as I said before, this is the first I've heard of it.
The "Cell Phone Free Zones" don't need to be marked because they are everywhere. Cops are just deciding to enforce the law more heavily in school zones. Common Sense: If you need to make a call, pull over! Is it that hard? We made due without having phone conversations in our cars for a long time before cell phones were invented (see what I did there?).

If you missed the cell phone law in the news you may also want to look into this Illinois Seat Belt Law too.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#13 Sep 27, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL you never went driving with me.
YES i actually do hate to converse in my car. In fact i rarely use a radio. Mostly for weather and traffic reports.
And i also hate having people in my car. When i was married my wife did most of our driving. For the record she was the best driver i ever knew. Even better then me.
Of course there have been accidents since cars were first invented.
But clearly cell phones are increasing those numbers.
Or do you think the cell phone laws were written just to tick you off ?
Seriously those laws were written for only one reason because its obvious that there is a real connection between cell phones - alertness - accidents.
That's not my opinion that's a proven fact.
Go ask your car insurance person ( you do have car insurance right ?)And see what that person says.
One more thing it was all over the news.
Including newspapers.( i'm big on reading )
Personally? I think cell phone laws were written as a quick way to get votes. And to be precise, the laws governing the use of cell phones in the city limits do not dictate you CANNOT use them at all, but rather that you must use some manner of hands-free device to speak on a cell phone.
Which comes back to the original question - what's the difference between hands-free and having a conversation with others in the car? I realize that you dislike both, but this isn't about what YOU like or don't like - it's about what a reasonable person is capable of doing. If you ban cell phones outright, then you should be pulled over for singing with the radio or talking to the other passengers in the car.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#14 Sep 27, 2010
VyvB wrote:
The "Cell Phone Free Zones" don't need to be marked because they are everywhere. Cops are just deciding to enforce the law more heavily in school zones.
Are they? Is that what's happening? Because I can tell you, my town doesn't have "no cell phone in school zones" laws. It doesn't have ANY restrictions on talking on a cell phone while driving.
VyvB wrote:
Common Sense: If you need to make a call, pull over! Is it that hard? We made due without having phone conversations in our cars for a long time before cell phones were invented (see what I did there?).
We sure did. But we also had CONVERSATIONS in our cars before cell phones were invented, tell me again what's the difference between hands-free on a cell and a heated argument with 3 other people in the car? Do you think that just because a phone is involved you pay less attention in the first scenario?(See what I did there?)
VyvB wrote:
If you missed the cell phone law in the news you may also want to look into this Illinois Seat Belt Law too.
Perhaps you're referring to the law stating that one may not be talking on a cell phone in the city limits of Chicago without the use of a hands-free device or that texting and driving is banned statewide. No, I saw those. But I never read or heard anything about "Cell-Phone Free School Zones".
Ever.
Mystery Man

West Chicago, IL

#15 Sep 27, 2010
Hold please wrote:
<quoted text>
Personally? I think cell phone laws were written as a quick way to get votes. And to be precise, the laws governing the use of cell phones in the city limits do not dictate you CANNOT use them at all, but rather that you must use some manner of hands-free device to speak on a cell phone.
Which comes back to the original question - what's the difference between hands-free and having a conversation with others in the car? I realize that you dislike both, but this isn't about what YOU like or don't like - it's about what a reasonable person is capable of doing. If you ban cell phones outright, then you should be pulled over for singing with the radio or talking to the other passengers in the car.
You can't have it both ways. You can't ask me questions and then say its not about me. Of course it is that's why you asked me.
If you just want to posts your thoughts, opinions, etc you don't need me, and you don't need to ask me questions. Just posts.

I never claimed cell phone laws out right banned phones.( don't i wish ) But they do restrict its use.
And its a good law.
Are you saying its safe to text while driving ?

Conversing with someone in a car is till different then using a hands free cell phone.
Using myself as an example ( even though i don't use a cell phone in a car ever )

I can talk without looking at someone.
But you need to look at the cell phone before you make a call and if you use it as a gps also while driving.

I don't need to touch the person i'm talking to while driving.
To use a cell you still need to type in the number, scroll through if looking for a certain number. And even to disconnect.

If i'm talking to someone its only conversation.
On a cell phone you might also use a calendar, calculator, check text messages, use the web, etc.

Using even a hands free cell phone can be far more involving then just mere conversation with a boring guy like me.

So i'm buying that using hands free is the same as a conversation it just isn't.

BTW who's vote were they getting with the cell phone laws ? Not mine. They have to buy me a steak dinner with drinks to get my vote on anything. Just passing a cell phone law won't get my vote.
Mystery Man

West Chicago, IL

#16 Sep 27, 2010
i meant i'm NOT buying that using hands free is the same as a conversation it just isn't.
sorry for the typo
VyvB

United States

#17 Sep 28, 2010
Hold please wrote:
Are they? Is that what's happening? Because I can tell you, my town doesn't have "no cell phone in school zones" laws. It doesn't have ANY restrictions on talking on a cell phone while driving.
I wish you luck when an officer in your town deems that you are a "distracted driver" becuase he sees you gabbing on your cell. You are correct it isn't a state law, it's just good common sense. Something people seem to lack nowadays.
Hold please wrote:
We sure did. But we also had CONVERSATIONS in our cars before cell phones were invented, tell me again what's the difference between hands-free on a cell and a heated argument with 3 other people in the car? Do you think that just because a phone is involved you pay less attention in the first scenario?(See what I did there?)
I never stated any qualms with hands-free devices. You are thinking of someone else.
Hold please wrote:
Perhaps you're referring to the law stating that one may not be talking on a cell phone in the city limits of Chicago without the use of a hands-free device or that texting and driving is banned statewide. No, I saw those. But I never read or heard anything about "Cell-Phone Free School Zones".
Ever.
Reading the article I see that it was an educational initiative by the Niles PD. They were handing out flyers for awareness, not writing tickets.

“Snow days!”

Since: Nov 08

A winter wonderland

#18 Sep 28, 2010
"Bender said it is important to educate parents about the importance of staying focused in school zones."

Does that mean that people who aren't parents get a free pass?

Before you tear into me, look up the definition of the word "sarcasm".

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#19 Sep 28, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
You can't have it both ways. You can't ask me questions and then say its not about me. Of course it is that's why you asked me.
If you just want to posts your thoughts, opinions, etc you don't need me, and you don't need to ask me questions. Just posts.
This isn't about "having it both ways", it's about putting personal feelings aside and looking at the facts of the issue. If you cannot separate your personal feelings from the facts, then you're right, we don't need you, since your emotions do not allow you to look at things rationally and you're only interested in pushing your own selfish desires.

[QUOTE who="Mystery Man"]I never claimed cell phone laws out right banned phones.( don't i wish ) But they do restrict its use.
And its a good law.
Are you saying its safe to text while driving ?
No, but we're not talking about texting, we're talking about having a conversation using a hands-free device.
Mystery Man wrote:
Conversing with someone in a car is till different then using a hands free cell phone.
Using myself as an example ( even though i don't use a cell phone in a car ever )
I can talk without looking at someone.
But you need to look at the cell phone before you make a call and if you use it as a gps also while driving.
1. You don't HAVE to do any of those things. Most modern phones have hands-free dialing, where you simply speak the name of the person you want to dial.
2. Once again, most modern phones have turn-by-turn navigation, which will speak the directions to you.
Give the cell phone manufacturers some credit, they put everything they possibly can into these phones to help cut down on the instances of people not paying attention while driving.
Mystery Man wrote:
I don't need to touch the person i'm talking to while driving.
To use a cell you still need to type in the number, scroll through if looking for a certain number. And even to disconnect.
See number 1 above. And most, if not all, headsets allow for the connection/disconnection of a call without the need to look at the phone.
Mystery Man wrote:
If i'm talking to someone its only conversation.
On a cell phone you might also use a calendar, calculator, check text messages, use the web, etc.
Using even a hands free cell phone can be far more involving then just mere conversation with a boring guy like me.
Once again, we're talking about having a conversation while driving, not all the other things you listed that MIGHT happen.
Mystery Man wrote:
So i'm buying that using hands free is the same as a conversation it just isn't.
It is. You've put forth a whole manner of "what ifs" that may or may not happen. But to actually just have a conversation? Let's look at the facts:
1. Hands free dialing
2. Hands free volume control
3. Hands free conversation
4. Hands free disconnection

With the exception of physically being in the car, there's really no difference.
Mystery Man wrote:
BTW who's vote were they getting with the cell phone laws ? Not mine. They have to buy me a steak dinner with drinks to get my vote on anything. Just passing a cell phone law won't get my vote.
Once again, we're not talking about YOU, we're talking about the public at large. And this is one of those many campaign tactics politicians use to sway a number of voters their way.

“Really? Really?”

Since: Apr 08

G'View

#20 Sep 28, 2010
VyvB wrote:
I wish you luck when an officer in your town deems that you are a "distracted driver" becuase he sees you gabbing on your cell. You are correct it isn't a state law, it's just good common sense. Something people seem to lack nowadays.
Who are you to dictate what is or isn't "common sense"? I have no problems driving while talking on the phone. As I stated before, to me, it's the same as having a conversation with any other passenger. That's not about "common sense" but rather the ability to prioritize.
VyvB wrote:
I never stated any qualms with hands-free devices. You are thinking of someone else.
No, I'm not thinking about anyone, I'm ASKING you a question. So since you have no qualms with someone using a headset, then I guess you don't consider EVERYONE using a cell phone while driving a "distracted driver" who is lacking in "common sense".
VyvB wrote:
Reading the article I see that it was an educational initiative by the Niles PD. They were handing out flyers for awareness, not writing tickets.
Nobody ever said they were. I was simply agreeing with the person who suggested that they post signs around schools that they were designated "no cell phone zones".

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