Twin Cities nurses begin voting on co...

Twin Cities nurses begin voting on contract offer

There are 51 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 6, 2010, titled Twin Cities nurses begin voting on contract offer. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Rather than walk off the job in a massive strike, thousands of Twin Cities nurses began voting at 6 a.m. today on a proposed contract agreement.

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Inomine

Fair Grove, MO

#2 Jul 6, 2010
I don't see how the current issues being addressed by this proposed agreement serves the patient any better. Unions are about the unions, not about the individuals or the mission of their jobs. If nurses are not happy about their employment situation, they should look at leaving to find work elsewhere.
FL Guy

Cambridge, MN

#3 Jul 6, 2010
All they ever wanted was MONEY. They have NEVER cared about patients or they would vote no today, take 0% increases over the next three years and start talks about patient ratios!
Cardinal Corner

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jul 6, 2010
So much for better staffing. You nurses are a bunch of liars !!
the golden eel

United States

#5 Jul 6, 2010
That's odd... nothing about nurse to patient ratios. I thought that was the most important part? My wife has even received mass emails from a nurse she knows, and she was told the whole point of this exercise was nurse/patient ratios. Money was not at all the driving factor. Could the union not have been totally honest with its members, the public, and the hospitals?? Say it ain't so!

Unions were once necessary, and they were instrumental in bringing rights to workers (40 hr week, OT, working conditions, etc) that we ALL take for granted now.

This story, however, is yet another example of how unions are now nothing more than a cancer, slowly killing any business they are attached to.
Amost had me fooled

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jul 6, 2010
Patient staffing ratios, yup our #1 issue........after the money, show me the money.
I care....honestly
MFB

United States

#7 Jul 6, 2010
I do not understand why people are vilifying the nurses. It is the HOSPITALS who refuse to address the issue of adequate staffing, not the nurses. The nurses are stuck accepting whatever little crumbs the hospitals toss their way. I have been an RN for 39 years. I spent the first 5 years being jerked around by hospitals. Example: being brow-beaten into working a double shift (3 pm till 7 am) and being paid overtime for a half hour only, as the other 7.5 hours were"on a different day". The next time you or a loved one are hospitalised and the call light is not answered promptly, contact hospital administration, not a nurse. See if the administrator will come and give you a bedpan or help you to the bathroom or hold your head while you vomit or bring your pain medication when you need it. YOUR nurse may not be able to respond to YOUR requset in a timely fashion because she is performing one of those tasks for one or more of the rest of her assigned patients, not off somewhere counting her money. Yes I care for every one of my patients, and I want them to receive the care they need and deserve.
Cop Out

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Jul 6, 2010
It wasn't about the money, huh?

So why did they settle for nothing but more money?

Since: Aug 09

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Jul 6, 2010
It had better be voted down in a 10 to 1 vote. After all, it is all about the nurse-patient ratios, isn't it? Or was that the pension-salary ratio?

Since: Aug 09

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jul 6, 2010
MFB wrote:
I do not understand why people are vilifying the nurses. It is the HOSPITALS who refuse to address the issue of adequate staffing, not the nurses. <petulant whining deleted for brevity>
Sounds like you didn't like working for the hospital 35 years ago, so you went somewhere else. Kind of sounds like what every other employee is free to do, any time they feel like it. So quit whining and blaming the hospitals...if the nurses don't like it, they can go work somewhere else. If I don't like the care I get, I can go to another hospital. It really is that simple, when your brain isn't clouded by union propaganda all day and night...
Tony S

Wichita, KS

#11 Jul 6, 2010
MFB wrote:
I do not understand why people are vilifying the nurses. It is the HOSPITALS who refuse to address the issue of adequate staffing, not the nurses. The nurses are stuck accepting whatever little crumbs the hospitals toss their way. I have been an RN for 39 years. I spent the first 5 years being jerked around by hospitals. Example: being brow-beaten into working a double shift (3 pm till 7 am) and being paid overtime for a half hour only, as the other 7.5 hours were"on a different day". The next time you or a loved one are hospitalised and the call light is not answered promptly, contact hospital administration, not a nurse. See if the administrator will come and give you a bedpan or help you to the bathroom or hold your head while you vomit or bring your pain medication when you need it. YOUR nurse may not be able to respond to YOUR requset in a timely fashion because she is performing one of those tasks for one or more of the rest of her assigned patients, not off somewhere counting her money. Yes I care for every one of my patients, and I want them to receive the care they need and deserve.
MFB, you don't get what people are saying. I think you should re-read the comments. No one is villifying what nurses do for a living. The nurses union made 'patient care' their central argument to the public and media. In the end, patient care didn't matter as the only thing they cared about was protecting their pension and getting raises. They should have just been honest with themselves and the pubic that money was their primary driving force behind a strike. I agree with the others. Since patient care was the central arguing point, I fully expect nurses to vote no today and go on strike.
And

Sun Prairie, WI

#12 Jul 6, 2010
You people need to get your fact together before bad mouthing nurses. They were asking for 3% raises for each of the three years…They conceded to 0% first year, 1% Second Year, and 2% Third Year that the hospital where offering.(Hospital Victory) There pensions will remain unchanged (Draw) Now you all say it was about the money and not about the patient care, but if you read the contract they are voting on today the nurses scored a victory in patient care and got the hospital to agree on Staffing:“The Parties renew their efforts to work through existing contract committees to work on issues relating to staffing that may be concerned to either party” They are GOING to work together for patient care…Seem to me they got some of what they wanted for the patients but not all and in negotiation nobody gets Everything…(Patients, Nurses, and Hospital) WIN ON THIS ONE. So how can any of you say they are liars….or it is all about the money? If it was all about the money then they should have held out for the 3% raise each year. Seem to me Regions hospital just gave all there non union nurses a 3% raise for the next 3 years, but nobody is complaining about them but these Union Nurses who took a 0%, 1%, 2% and got concession on a committee to help patient ration are all about the money…Read your facts, do your research before you spit out bullshit from you mouths on this issue about the nurses..

Since: Aug 09

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jul 6, 2010
And wrote:
You people need to get your fact together before bad mouthing nurses. They were asking for 3% raises for each of the three years…They conceded to 0% first year, 1% Second Year, and 2% Third Year that the hospital where offering.(Hospital Victory) There pensions will remain unchanged (Draw) Now you all say it was about the money and not about the patient care, but if you read the contract they are voting on today the nurses scored a victory in patient care and got the hospital to agree on Staffing:“The Parties renew their efforts to work through existing contract committees to work on issues relating to staffing that may be concerned to either party” They are GOING to work together for patient care…
Maybe you should do some reading. The hospitals "won" on wage increases on paper, but no one really thought the nurses would get 3-3-3. That's typical first-move negociations, and no union ever really gets that. The fact that they get a raise at all is a win for nurses, considering most people are seeing either no raises or pay take-backs right now.

The union won on pensions and healthcare (both were to be decreased under the hospital proposal).

The nurses were just on TV last week saying the 'committees have been tried before, and do not work'. So, the nurses basically gave up on that argument, after hanging their entire PR campaign on it. That is why most posters here feel they are hypocrites...
Tony S

Wichita, KS

#14 Jul 6, 2010
I think And seems pretty angry. Both sides made concessions. However, the central theme of the nurses walkout was patient care. I'm sorry, but forming a committee to work together on patient care isn't a win for the nurses. It was a $250 million dollar win for the hospitals. In the end, the nurses central theme they spouted about as being the number 1 issue came crumbling down like Obama's poll numbers once they realized they could get a raise and keep their pensions. As for your comments about Regions nurses. Did they get to keep their pensions too? Oh what, they don't have pensions? Amazing.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#15 Jul 6, 2010
This appears to be a win-win for all.

I am so glad the management folded so that patient care can be maintained. A strong union was key to winning this battle. Well done MNA.
math town

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Jul 6, 2010
Per their negotiations:

raises + pensions > staffing
Bulldog

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Jul 6, 2010
IrishMN wrote:
This appears to be a win-win for all.
I am so glad the management folded so that patient care can be maintained. A strong union was key to winning this battle. Well done MNA.
Sounds to me like part of your paycheck comes from the union. It sounds more like the nurses got their money and basically said forget the patients..........
Bill Clinton

Burnsville, MN

#18 Jul 6, 2010
Welcome to the begining of the end of nursing.

Nurses are still trying to play the PR game. "we gave a lot, the hospital won on all grounds..."

You know NOTHING about negotiating. Stick to sticking people.

You have been USED as the negotiating PAWNs that you are.

Have some backbone for crying out loud. VOTE NO!
Rusty Shackelford

Owatonna, MN

#19 Jul 6, 2010
FL Guy wrote:
All they ever wanted was MONEY. They have NEVER cared about patients or they would vote no today, take 0% increases over the next three years and start talks about patient ratios!
Nice try... that is incumbent on the hospitals willingness to negotiate or even talk about staffing. It's been made abundantly clear that TCH is not the least bit interested. Same story in Duluth. Yeah, money talks all right but it ain't the nurses grubbing for it!
Unions Are Blind

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Jul 6, 2010
MNA is obviously run by people with some competency issues. They way over-reached with their pay raise demands and then thought they had the bargaining power to not only throw in the ratio issue, but to make it their sticking point. Their timing was awful. Apparently the MNA brass don't watch the news and didn't realize that a lot of other people were hurting a lot more than nurses are right now. Try working in the mortgage industry or home construction over the last few years. We've seen 75% of our co-workers disappear, and those were people that had nothing to do with the collapse of the industry and market. To push for such a radically new collective bargaining agreement, tells me just how out of touch the MNA leaders are/were with the market. Wake up union members! The union did you no favors here. The union threw all of the nurses espousing safety and ratios under the bus in order to avoid what was turning into a PR disaster. If nurses have the integrity, as I believe they have, they should fire this union as soon as possible.
I See Something

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Jul 6, 2010
GREEEEEEEEED!

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