State plans dog law canvass in York C...

State plans dog law canvass in York County

There are 39 comments on the York Dispatch story from Jun 9, 2010, titled State plans dog law canvass in York County. In it, York Dispatch reports that:

Come Monday, if you have an illegal pooch on your premises in York County, you may be subject to a large fine.

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Brian

York, PA

#1 Jun 9, 2010
Licenses can also be obtained instantly online at https://www.doglicenseonline.com/states/pa/yo... for $1 more than if you visited one of the mentioned places.

Also, why put your e-mail at the bottom of the story if your e-mail server rejects all e-mails?
Possible dog owner

York, PA

#2 Jun 10, 2010
How will dog law enforcement officers know if I do or do not have the proper paperwork for my dog(s)? What legal right do I have to refuse talking to the officer if he or she knocks on my door demanding to see paperwork? Who is to say that I didn't get rid of the dogs or just didn't hear the doorbell in the first place? Papers Please!!!

(all serious questions btw)
Franck

Rockville, MD

#3 Jun 10, 2010
Possible dog owner wrote:
How will dog law enforcement officers know if I do or do not have the proper paperwork for my dog(s)? What legal right do I have to refuse talking to the officer if he or she knocks on my door demanding to see paperwork? Who is to say that I didn't get rid of the dogs or just didn't hear the doorbell in the first place? Papers Please!!!
(all serious questions btw)
Seriously, I think this could lead to a few cases of profiling. Do cops knock on your door to see if your vehicle is registered? consider the poor possible dog owner. What if he/she isn't home, or simply doesn't register because they are a new dog owner and doesn't know all the rules yet? Is there a course involved to owning a dog that properly instructs you of these things?

Don't tread on me!
Licenced

New York, NY

#5 Jun 10, 2010
I have no problem being questioned or stopped if it means it will catch my nuisance neighbors dog away and legal.
Possible dog owner

York, PA

#6 Jun 10, 2010
How are they going to know that my dog isn't over 3 months anyway? I could tell them that the dog is only 2 months old and in all reality they couldn't tell me any different. My dog didn't come with a birth certificate and if they aren't cracking down on Obama (Barry Soetoro) they shouldn't be able to crack down on my dog!

Also if Barack Hussein Obama doesn't have to release his college thesis or any other type of paperwork we haven't seen yet then why should I have to release my dog vaccinations paperwork to some stranger who comes knocking at my door? Maybe I lost it? Maybe the original was lost due to water damage... What then?
Possible dog owner

York, PA

#7 Jun 10, 2010
@ Licenced

Well you are the exact reason our country is the way it is. You just let them walk all over you. You buy the whole "They are protecting us" spiel why they are stripping you of your rights right underneath your nose! Go move to Canada!
Dave

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Jun 10, 2010
Sounds like a major waste of taxpayer money to me.
Give Me A Break

Mount Laurel, NJ

#13 Jun 10, 2010
Wow, I'm so glad that with many states going bankrupt that PA has so much extra money that they can send out the dog police to take inventory. I can't beleive the state actually has a Bureau of Dog Enforcement. I thought the county was in charge of dogs. This is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. With all the problems we have they have time and money to do this.
Owned by a GSD

Wayne, PA

#15 Jun 10, 2010
Well it's clear to see there's no RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP here, That where the problem started and I hope they nail the crap out of you all . Read the Pa dog law, it's even online, So Get your dog tags in order and your veterinary certificates of vaccinations. This one was long over due. Yes a dog warden can come into your home and inspect your dogs and there records. Pet ownership comes with a loss of rights injoyed by most other offences, Just like hunting, fishing and boating
Possible dog owner

York, PA

#16 Jun 10, 2010
Owned by a GSD wrote:
Well it's clear to see there's no RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP here, That where the problem started and I hope they nail the crap out of you all . Read the Pa dog law, it's even online, So Get your dog tags in order and your veterinary certificates of vaccinations. This one was long over due. Yes a dog warden can come into your home and inspect your dogs and there records. Pet ownership comes with a loss of rights injoyed by most other offences, Just like hunting, fishing and boating
Negative! A dog warden may not enter my home and inspect my dogs. Ever heard of the fourth amendment? If you are not on the deed to my house then I highly advise you come no further then my front door. I don't care what some state ordinance says, a dog warden can not trump my constitutional rights. Oh and I'm sorry to say that if you see a dog running around in my yard, it is not considered probable cause to get a search warrant from the judge either. Bring a cop, bring the whole northern and southern regional police force, without a warrant you will not be entering into my home.

My dog doesn't drive a car so it doesn't need a license! If you see a man in a brown uniform with a shiny little badge ringing your door bell then just don't answer it. The end.
Reality Check

York, PA

#17 Jun 11, 2010
I am so happy that the state is flush with cash to go on a dog inventory. I didn't even know that they had a Dog Law Enforcement Bureau. I thought the counties handled the dogs. This is the kind of government waste and over extension that ticks me off. (Perhaps ticks with be acceptable). While most states are on the edge of bankruptcy, PA finds it necessary to run around looking.
Jose

York, PA

#18 Jun 11, 2010
I have a Mexican Chihuahua. If they asked for its papers I am calling Obama and Holdren because this is profiling and is racist.
Franck

Rockville, MD

#19 Jun 11, 2010
@ GSD

Maybe you need to read the statutes again:

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuspa3ps4...

nowhere in there does it say a warden or an appointed official by the treasurer may enter a household to inspect a dog, the owner, or corresponding paperwork.
bucklaika

York, PA

#20 Jun 11, 2010
This seems like an odd solution and the way the problem is framed is suspect. I do not believe that the reason for doing such a door-to-door canvass is to ensure that my furry friend and I are reunited in the case of separation.

I support rabies vaccination laws and responsible dog ownership. If a dog is dangerous, there is a section of the law that covers that.

But knocking on someone's door and demanding that they "show the papers" for the dog seems very odd indeed. I saw a show on either 60 Minutes or a similar show where a county (I think it was in Florida) did something similar and actually issued a woman a citation for her "unlicensed" dog. Turns out if was a statue that she kept just inside her screen door. She received a letter of apology in the end.

So what are the real reasons for conducting such a door-to-door sweep? Is this a way to respond to complaints from neighbors without revealing the identity of the complainant? What's the real motivation behind the sweep? Keeping owners and their dogs together has a false ring to it.
Riverrat

Stewartstown, PA

#21 Jun 11, 2010
I think they are doing this to make money for the state because we're so broke. Think of all the money they'll make on people racing to get their dog licensed. Think of all the money they'll make on all the huge fines they'll be passing out.
LibertyFirst

York, PA

#22 Jun 11, 2010
They may need to bring back up if they think my door is swinging wide open. One does not need to be licensed to be responsible. The arrogance of government and the parasites that work for government is amusing.
onewhoknows

Waynesboro, PA

#23 Jun 13, 2010
Dog law is not funded by "taxes" but by the dog license sales. Dog wardens are there to help people when they get attacked and or bitten, when peoples dogs run at large causing problems, inspect kennels for the welfare of the puppies and boarded dogs, protect farmers livestock when dogs are involved and to check to make sure dog owners have current rabies vaccinations and licenses for their dogs. To answer some statements made in prior posts, below are a few wordings of the law.
459-801. False statements
It is unlawful for any person knowingly to make any false statement or to conceal any fact required to be disclosed under any of the provisions of this act.
459-802. Burdens of proof
(a) Licensing.--In any proceeding under this act, the burden of proof of the fact that a dog has been licensed, or has been imported for breeding, trial, hunting, performance event or show purposes, or that a dog is under the required licensed age of three months as hereinbefore provided, shall be on the owner of such dog. Any dog not bearing a license tag shall prima facie be deemed to be unlicensed except as provided under this act. It is unlawful for any person dealing in and with dogs, to use a false or fictitious name unless such name is registered with the Commonwealth.
(b) Age and name.--In a proceeding under this act, the burden of proof of the age of a dog shall be on the owner of the dog. It shall be unlawful for a person dealing in and with dogs to use a false or fictitious name unless the name is registered with the Commonwealth.
Well

York, PA

#24 Jun 13, 2010
So where does this type of police state action stop? This is just a dry run to help condition the sheeple so the "authorities" can go after firearm owners any anyone else they feel the need to control. If they come on my property they better have a proper warrant, otherwise they can hit the road...
onewhoknows

Waynesboro, PA

#25 Jun 13, 2010
Well wrote:
So where does this type of police state action stop? This is just a dry run to help condition the sheeple so the "authorities" can go after firearm owners any anyone else they feel the need to control. If they come on my property they better have a proper warrant, otherwise they can hit the road...
Well,
You need to grow up and get a life. We are talking about dog law here. It has been around since the late 1800s - here to protect you. Oh, by the way, wardens have a legal right to request license and even walk on your property to where you tie or kennel your dog and check for license and rabies vaccinations. No they cannot go "into" a building without your permission. Probable cause such as a dog barking can get them a warrant if you refuse to comply and give them the information. Actually, refusal of information can earn you more citations...
LibertyFirst

York, PA

#26 Jun 13, 2010
onewhoknows wrote:
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Well,
You need to grow up and get a life. We are talking about dog law here. It has been around since the late 1800s - here to protect you. Oh, by the way, wardens have a legal right to request license and even walk on your property to where you tie or kennel your dog and check for license and rabies vaccinations. No they cannot go "into" a building without your permission. Probable cause such as a dog barking can get them a warrant if you refuse to comply and give them the information. Actually, refusal of information can earn you more citations...
how do dog laws protect me...... be specific

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