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I dink so
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I dink so, she did not know, for if she knew she would have left him far behind, how cruel, how unusual to convict a grieving family for 'should have known' that someone was secretly being mean to kelsey when no one was around,
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I dink so
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she 'could have known' if she had cameras.
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“what ever floats your goat”
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[DHS] children services was running the show, and the mother did everything they told her to, it is sad that things worked out like they did, so tragic that she could not even trust her new husband 'who was so helpful to her'
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Also, I don't believe Key will ever be allowed to testify on Raye's behalf. Judge Vassar was very careful to be fair to Raye Dawn and her attorney during the tial, he more often sided with them instead of the DA. He had to have a good reason backed up by precident or state law to disallow Key's testimony. Also, I don't believe Key will ever be allowed to testify on Raye's behalf. Judge Vassar was very careful to be fair to Raye Dawn and her attorney during the tial, he more often sided with them instead of the DA. He had to have a good reason backed up by precident or state law to disallow Key's testimony.
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yes, judge Key as a witness of kelsey may not ever be able to tell what he saw... many people would like to and did suppress evidence of the conspiring emails too, and also the testimony of the only other witness besides Kelsey and the other two year old boy in the house hold, his 8 year old daughter who told a school counselor that her daddy was real nice to kelsey in front of others... she told the school counselor of two times she walked in on him severely beating kelsey, spanking kelsey til she puked, and banging her head against a brick wall, all in the week before she died. so what evidence was raye dawn allowed for the defense? I think if the state of oklahoma wants to start putting women in prison for enabling then they should get a mother who watched her child get beat and did not leave. we have plenty of those around to make this law work.
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ruthy truthy
Crescent City, CA
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Ray S. Smith, 60, died Thursday, April 15, 2004, Survivors include his wife, Gayla; daughters, Rachelle Smith and Raye Dawn Smith; and granddaughter, Kelsey, all of the home 1;27 A religion that is pure and stainless according to God the Father is this: TO TAKE CARE OF ORPHANS AND WIDOWS WHO ARE SUFFERING, TO take care of orphans and widows who are suffering, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. Isaiah 1:23 Your rulers are rebels, companions of thieves; THEY ALL LOVE BRIBES and chase after gifts. They do NOT DEFEND THE CAUSE OF THE FATHERLESS; THE WIDOW'S CASE DOES NOT COME BEFORE THEM,
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ELH
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ruthy truthy wrote: Ray S. Smith, 60, died Thursday, April 15, 2004, Survivors include his wife, Gayla; daughters, Rachelle Smith and Raye Dawn Smith; and granddaughter, Kelsey, all of the home 1;27 A religion that is pure and stainless according to God the Father is this: TO TAKE CARE OF ORPHANS AND WIDOWS WHO ARE SUFFERING, TO take care of orphans and widows who are suffering, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. Isaiah 1:23 Your rulers are rebels, companions of thieves; THEY ALL LOVE BRIBES and chase after gifts. They do NOT DEFEND THE CAUSE OF THE FATHERLESS; THE WIDOW'S CASE DOES NOT COME BEFORE THEM, Sue, You wouldn't know the truth if it punched you in the face, so save your religious tracks for handing out on street corners with the other religious cult nutters. PS: You forgot to include the part where "the poor suffering widow" Gayla wouldn't pay for a nurse to care for Ray or that she was stealing his pain medication or that she kicked Raye and Kelsey out of the house so she could hunt down a new husband to support her ass.
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ELH
Vancouver, WA
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I dink so wrote: she 'could have known' if she had cameras. Apparently Raye never bathed Kelsey or changed her diapers or maybe she's legally blind?
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She knew. She allowed it. She didn't want to lose her man. Kelsey told her that Mike was hurting her. She stayed. Yes, some may hate her more because she KNEW. She is the one who had an excuse for EVERY injury Kelsey had. Had she defended her child and protected her child, Kelsey would still be here. This was not a one time beating. This poor baby suffered daily. Where is the compassion for KELSEY?????? Raye does not deserve it.
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truthy ruthy
Eureka, CA
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lies, the child was inspected by the finest of Oklahoma's services for children, she was inspected by Doctors, nurses the lies about the abuse of kelsey, they used autopsy photos from after her autopsy. when kelsey died she only had three small bruises, she died from a single blow to the stomach, which can be had from falling down stairs, this investigation was so blotched that i would not be surprised if she was not even abused, but i remember the important words of a witness that they had walked in on mike porter grossly and secretly spanking kelsey til she puked and another time secretly banging her head against a brick wall the week that she died. talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. how cruel,how unusual to convict a grieving family for 'should have known' that someone was secretly being mean to Kelsey
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truthy ruthy wrote: lies, the child was inspected by the finest of Oklahoma's services for children, she was inspected by Doctors, nurses the lies about the abuse of kelsey, they used autopsy photos from after her autopsy. when kelsey died she only had three small bruises, she died from a single blow to the stomach, which can be had from falling down stairs, this investigation was so blotched that i would not be surprised if she was not even abused, but i remember the important words of a witness that they had walked in on mike porter grossly and secretly spanking kelsey til she puked and another time secretly banging her head against a brick wall the week that she died. talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. how cruel,how unusual to convict a grieving family for 'should have known' that someone was secretly being mean to Kelsey Lies???? She was removed from her "loving" mother's home because of the abuse. If Raye did not know before, she knew then and she should have left. She stayed and now Kelsey is dead. THAT is why Raye is in prison.
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Hall v. State, 1982 OK CR 141, 650 P.2d 893, 896-99.“The knowing use of false or misleading evidence important to the prosecution’s case in chief violates the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.” See Omalza v. State, OK CR 80, 911 P.2d 286, 307. The DA told the court that he knew mike porter was lying and that he did in fact kill the child while Dawn was not around, evidence shows that the injury that killed her would not allow her to lay flat on her back like both Dawn and Mike said she was before Dawn left
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ruthy truthy
Crescent City, CA
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“Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain’t goin away.” ~ Elvis Presley Hallelujah, there is a God after all.
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I don't care who marks my posts as mean or whatever. When child services stepped in and took Kelsey, Raye should have asked questions if she was so clueless not to see the injuries (even though she is the one who had an explanation for ALL of them) she should have known something was going on. You don't wait until your child is dead and then say "looking back I can see the signs". Raye, you should have stood up for your child! Instead you stood up for your husband. Kelsey was a beautiful child and you allowed Mike Porter to destroy that. Now you are in prison where you belong. You and Mike deserve everything you get.
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ELH
Vancouver, WA
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truthy ruthy wrote: she died from a single blow to the stomach, which can be had from falling down stairs,this investigation was so blotched that i would not be surprised if she was not even abused, Fortunately, twelve jurors AND two appeals courts looked at the actual evidence and they all disagreed with your ill founded 'conclusions'. But I would love to see a single case of a child who DIED of blunt force trauma to the abdomen after falling down stairs or for that matter one who fracture her clavicle by falling out of a crib or broke BOTH legs due to wearing unsuitable footwear. We do look forward to your getting back to us with all your proof!
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ELH
Vancouver, WA
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I dink so wrote: for if she knew she would have left him far behind, In youir dreams. In REAL LIFE Raye left the hospital and went SHOPPING with Mike.
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No one, but the step-father knew what the autopsy would show. the Step-father panicked when he found out that they were going to do an autopsy. Dawn did not know what he did while she was gone,
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RKS
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Ericka(ELH) is lost in a world of her own. Just ask her about the birthing center she and her biker man operates out of Vancouver, Washington and just how much does she make off the adoptions.
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ruthy truthy
Crescent City, CA
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1941: Sherwood Anderson, writer, died of peritonitis after swallowing a toothpick at a party.[80]
1955: Margo Jones, theater director, was killed by exposure to carbon tetrachloride fumes from her newly cleaned carpet.
1969; Jan Palach, a Czech student, committed s Leslie Harvey, guitarist of Stone the Crows, was electrocuted on stage by a live microphone.[105]
1978: Kurt Gödel, the Austrian/American logician and mathematician, died of starvation when his wife was hospitalized. Gödel suffered from extreme paranoia and refused to eat food prepared by anyone else.[117] 1982: Navy Lieutenant George M. Prior, 30, died in Arlington, Virginia from a severe allergic reaction to Daconil, a fungicide used on a golf course he attended. He had unwittingly ingested the substance through his habit of carrying the tee in his mouth when playing.[130] 1983: American author Tennessee Williams died when he choked on an eyedrop bottle-cap in his room at the Hotel Elysee in New York. He would routinely place the cap in his mouth, lean back, and place his eyedrops in each eye.[133] 1993: Garry Hoy, a 38-year-old lawyer in Toronto, Ontario, fell to his death on July 9, 1993, after he threw himself against a window on the 24th floor of the Toronto-Dominion Centre in an attempt to prove to a group of visitors that the glass was "unbreakable." The glass did not break, but popped out of the window frame.[150][151] 1994: Gloria Ramirez was admitted to Riverside General Hospital, in Riverside, California, for complications of advanced cervical cancer. Before she died, her caregivers claimed that Ramirez's body mysteriously emitted toxic fumes that made several emergency room workers very ill.[153]
1994: Jeremy Brenno, a 16-year-old golfer from Gloversville, New York, was killed when he threw his club against a bench in a fit of rage, breaking the shaft. Part of the shaft bounced back and pierced his heart.[154] 1997: Karen Wetterhahn, a professor of chemistry at Dartmouth College, died of mercury poisoning ten months after a few drops of dimethylmercury landed on her protective gloves. Although Wetterhahn had been following the required procedures for handling the chemical, it still permeated her gloves and skin within seconds. As a result of her death, regulations were altered.[157][158]
2004: Phillip Quinn, a 24-year-old from Kent, Washington, was killed while heating up a lava lamp on his kitchen stove. The lamp exploded and a shard pierced his heart.[180]
2006: Erika Tomanu, a seven-year-old girl in Saitama, Japan, died when she was sucked 10 metres down the intake pipe of a current pool at a water park.[188]
2006: Mariesa Weber, a petite 38-year-old woman, asphyxiated when she became wedged upside-down behind a bookcase in her bedroom while trying to adjust a plug on her television set. Her family, believing she had been abducted, searched for eleven days before finally finding the body.[190]
2008: Abigail Taylor, a 6-year-old from Edina, Minnesota, died nine months after several of her internal organs were partially sucked out of her lower body while she sat on an excessively powerful swimming pool drain. Surgeons had replaced her intestines and pancreas with donor organs, but she later succumbed to a rare transplant-related cancer.[200]
Amy Rose Coxall, a 15-year-old British schoolgirl studying in Hong Kong, died of strangulation shortly after her scarf got caught in the wheel of a go-kart she was driving on a karting course.[214]
Jenny Mitchell, a 19-year-old English hairdresser, was killed when her car exploded after fumes, caused by chemicals mixing with hydrogen peroxide leaking from a bottle of hair bleach, ignited as she lit a cigarette.[21
Erica Marshall, a 28-year-old veterinarian in Florida, died when the horse she was treating in a nearby high-oxygen chamber kicked the wall, releasing a spark from its horseshoes and triggering an explosion.
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ruthy truthy
Crescent City, CA
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accidents do happen, it is not murder 1941: Sherwood Anderson, writer, died of peritonitis after swallowing a toothpick at a party.[80]
1955: Margo Jones, theater director, was killed by exposure to carbon tetrachloride fumes from her newly cleaned carpet.
1969; Jan Palach, a Czech student, committed s Leslie Harvey, guitarist of Stone the Crows, was electrocuted on stage by a live microphone.[105]
1978: Kurt Gödel, the Austrian/American logician and mathematician, died of starvation when his wife was hospitalized. Gödel suffered from extreme paranoia and refused to eat food prepared by anyone else.[117] 1982: Navy Lieutenant George M. Prior, 30, died in Arlington, Virginia from a severe allergic reaction to Daconil, a fungicide used on a golf course he attended. He had unwittingly ingested the substance through his habit of carrying the tee in his mouth when playing.[130] 1983: American author Tennessee Williams died when he choked on an eyedrop bottle-cap in his room at the Hotel Elysee in New York. He would routinely place the cap in his mouth, lean back, and place his eyedrops in each eye.[133] 1993: Garry Hoy, a 38-year-old lawyer in Toronto, Ontario, fell to his death on July 9, 1993, after he threw himself against a window on the 24th floor of the Toronto-Dominion Centre in an attempt to prove to a group of visitors that the glass was "unbreakable." The glass did not break, but popped out of the window frame.[150][151] 1994: Gloria Ramirez was admitted to Riverside General Hospital, in Riverside, California, for complications of advanced cervical cancer. Before she died, her caregivers claimed that Ramirez's body mysteriously emitted toxic fumes that made several emergency room workers very ill.[153]
1994: Jeremy Brenno, a 16-year-old golfer from Gloversville, New York, was killed when he threw his club against a bench in a fit of rage, breaking the shaft. Part of the shaft bounced back and pierced his heart.[154] 1997: Karen Wetterhahn, a professor of chemistry at Dartmouth College, died of mercury poisoning ten months after a few drops of dimethylmercury landed on her protective gloves. Although Wetterhahn had been following the required procedures for handling the chemical, it still permeated her gloves and skin within seconds. As a result of her death, regulations were altered.[157][158]
2004: Phillip Quinn, a 24-year-old from Kent, Washington, was killed while heating up a lava lamp on his kitchen stove. The lamp exploded and a shard pierced his heart.[180]
2006: Erika Tomanu, a seven-year-old girl in Saitama, Japan, died when she was sucked 10 metres down the intake pipe of a current pool at a water park.[188]
2006: Mariesa Weber, a petite 38-year-old woman, asphyxiated when she became wedged upside-down behind a bookcase in her bedroom while trying to adjust a plug on her television set. Her family, believing she had been abducted, searched for eleven days before finally finding the body.[190]
2008: Abigail Taylor, a 6-year-old from Edina, Minnesota, died nine months after several of her internal organs were partially sucked out of her lower body while she sat on an excessively powerful swimming pool drain. Surgeons had replaced her intestines and pancreas with donor organs, but she later succumbed to a rare transplant-related cancer.[200]
Amy Rose Coxall, a 15-year-old British schoolgirl studying in Hong Kong, died of strangulation shortly after her scarf got caught in the wheel of a go-kart she was driving on a karting course.[214]
Jenny Mitchell, a 19-year-old English hairdresser, was killed when her car exploded after fumes, caused by chemicals mixing with hydrogen peroxide leaking from a bottle of hair bleach, ignited as she lit a cigarette.[21
Erica Marshall, a 28-year-old veterinarian in Florida, died when the horse she was treating in a nearby high-oxygen chamber kicked the wall, releasing a spark from its horseshoes and triggering an explosion.
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