Rally for support: Scotts Valley Pomo...

Rally for support: Scotts Valley Pomo tribe wants casino at Kon...

There are 78 comments on the Lake County Record-Bee story from Feb 19, 2010, titled Rally for support: Scotts Valley Pomo tribe wants casino at Kon.... In it, Lake County Record-Bee reports that:

Scotts Valley Pomo Indians respectfully asked passers-by to sign a letter to their U.S. senators and congressman in support of bringing a casino and jobs to Lake County during a rally Friday in Lakeport.

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Jim Hall

Elizabeth, NJ

#66 Feb 23, 2010
mendoAu wrote:
jim hall,
Are you willing to inform the forum what you may gain personally with the building of this casino. Or do you think it's just an idea who's time has come? Do you have any business interest in this project?
I watched this location being built, ran the first retail shop there in 1962, and understood then as now, that a casino operation would be a natural for the location. If it could have been implemented back then, I think it would have keep the lake alive through the years, and suffer the down turn it did. Its in a first class location, offering a wonderful view to all that is Lake County, and would impress any who visited it. Note- I have no personal involvement in the location, other then my view of its use, and what it could do for the economy of the Lake.
Jim Hall

Elizabeth, NJ

#67 Feb 23, 2010
Konocti Resort Neighbor wrote:
Mr. Hall:
If what you mean is that I don’t want increased serious fires, fatal accidents, and disruption to the quiet enjoyment of my home, as well as the plummeting of my property values, then yes, your observation would be close.
Instead of “Not in by backyard” I would say it’s more a case of “Not to the detriment of my right to the quiet enjoyment of my home.” When you use phrases like,“Not in my backyard,” you of course imply something more sinister. This is intentional bating for the purpose of taking the discourse in a different direction and does not belong in this conversation.
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Sir or Ms, In no way did bring any discourse to this issue being discuss. I used the term, as it says with few words, why many other issue are not wanted, for the many reasons there not. I will try and address your concerns. First, Fires. The area has and is a tender box for fires, as a matter a fact, the first 2 dead bodies I ever saw, were two friends burned to death in a fire on the mountain. To build homes in the middle of Buck Brush central, was and is not a great choice. Second, Fatal accident increases, can only be controled is even that, by putting up a gate at the entrances of the county, and not let any more cars in.
Thirdly, I lived for many years over at the Clearlake Oaks, RIGHT along side Hwy 20, where the order of the day and night was the sound of Jake Brakes being used, coming down the short grade in front of our home. After a few weeks of living there, we never heard them, or at least the sound did not bother us, and as a matter a fact, when I would stay over night at other friends homes, the silence there kept me awake at nights. Lastly, your property value would increase, as the area would offer more, to a widder number of buyers, then just a neighborhood of houses. I say this, as a retired Certified Business Broker. You did leave out the added enjoyment you might gain from having a place near by to enjoy as well as host your visitors for some entertainment, food, drink, etc. I guess it is a our views of a glass have full or have empty.
Jim Hall

Elizabeth, NJ

#68 Feb 23, 2010
harold wrote:
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I can't remember playing a slot machine that had a view of anything other than more slot machines. The casinos are designed that way on purpose. It helps make it easier to take peoples money.
The slots don't just take money, they provide entertainment, socialation, enjoyment, excitement, and are the ticket takers, like the ticket booth of a theatre, in a world that nothing is free in. If you don't enjoy playing them, gain a worth from doing so, then don't use them. Life is choices, and yours may differ from others is all. I know of no one who plays the slots or gambles, that doesn't understand that your more likely to loss some bucks then win, but, that is the gamble, smiles.
The one

Jackson St Forest, CA

#69 Feb 23, 2010
another casino wrote:
give me a break.yet another place for the tweekers to hang out.
oh that's why I seen u there
Konocti Resort Neighbor

Sainte Genevieve, MO

#70 Feb 23, 2010
Mr. Hall:

Our views are different indeed. I did not find any of the items you romanticized to be appealing in any way. That which you seek is readily available throughout the county already.

A lovely family oriented getaway, such as one that might be created by a smart operation like Marriott would interest me. This would also allow the pristine location to be filled with wonderful memories, the kind of memories that bring customers back season after season for generations. This type of use would encourage use by all ages and the entire community would benefit.

A casino will only benefit those who have a proclivity for the casino lifestyle. That would exclude a rather large part of the population from the enjoyment of such a beautiful location and be disrespectful of the gift nature has given us there. Yes indeed, two views very far apart.
Jim Hall wrote:
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Sir or Ms, In no way did bring any discourse to this issue being discuss. I used the term, as it says with few words, why many other issue are not wanted, for the many reasons there not. I will try and address your concerns. First, Fires. The area has and is a tender box for fires, as a matter a fact, the first 2 dead bodies I ever saw, were two friends burned to death in a fire on the mountain. To build homes in the middle of Buck Brush central, was and is not a great choice. Second, Fatal accident increases, can only be controled is even that, by putting up a gate at the entrances of the county, and not let any more cars in.
Thirdly, I lived for many years over at the Clearlake Oaks, RIGHT along side Hwy 20, where the order of the day and night was the sound of Jake Brakes being used, coming down the short grade in front of our home. After a few weeks of living there, we never heard them, or at least the sound did not bother us, and as a matter a fact, when I would stay over night at other friends homes, the silence there kept me awake at nights. Lastly, your property value would increase, as the area would offer more, to a widder number of buyers, then just a neighborhood of houses. I say this, as a retired Certified Business Broker. You did leave out the added enjoyment you might gain from having a place near by to enjoy as well as host your visitors for some entertainment, food, drink, etc. I guess it is a our views of a glass have full or have empty.
Jim Hall

Elizabeth, NJ

#71 Feb 24, 2010
Konocti Resort Neighbor wrote:
Mr. Hall:
Our views are different indeed. I did not find any of the items you romanticized to be appealing in any way. That which you seek is readily available throughout the county already.
A lovely family oriented getaway, such as one that might be created by a smart operation like Marriott would interest me. This would also allow the pristine location to be filled with wonderful memories, the kind of memories that bring customers back season after season for generations. This type of use would encourage use by all ages and the entire community would benefit.
A casino will only benefit those who have a proclivity for the casino lifestyle. That would exclude a rather large part of the population from the enjoyment of such a beautiful location and be disrespectful of the gift nature has given us there. Yes indeed, two views very far apart.
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Smiles, Your view or thoughts bring back my own memmories of my families vacations here in the 40', 50's and early 60's. My parents had been vacationing here from the 20's. We tried to stay at the same resort, where we would enjoy our vacation friends who did the same for many years. I would love to see that time in my life return, but, it has passed and the new generations have other desires then those simpler times.

They live in a faster lane type world then we did then, get bored at the drop of a hate, and want to stay busy, even when they have time to kick back and relax. THey don't want a kitchen in a cabin, they want place's to eat, variety of fare, kids do their thing and the adults do their thing. If it's not high tech, its no fun or boring now. Lastly, folks now a days don't socialize with strangers like they used too. Fear has taken a toll on our way of living and enjoying life. You need to remember this sad truth, in the 40's 50's, and 60's, 100% of the vacationer's here at the lake were white, and for today, we have demonized drinking, drugs, differnt cultures, etc., to make enjoying each other, even harder, for so many.
Jim Hall

Elizabeth, NJ

#72 Feb 24, 2010
It might do the tourist industry at the lake to pay for a marketing study to see just what the 20 to 40 age parents of todays family units, desires are in a vacation location. This would give a better picture of the realities of what the lake has to offer such a market, at this time and what adjustment would need to be made to attract them. But, offering a safe place to have fun at is the best bet. A police state mentality will never allow for this. If the local population is not friendly and enjoying life and having fun, don't expect the tourist to flock there.
mendoAu

Belmont, CA

#73 Feb 24, 2010
Jim Hall,
You stated "Note- I have no personal involvement in the location, other then my view of its use, and what it could do for the economy of the Lake."

You seem to avoid answering my question pertaining to "financial interest" in this project. No involvement in the location perhaps but that does not answer my full question. Comments?
Jim Hall

Elizabeth, NJ

#74 Feb 24, 2010
mendoAu wrote:
Jim Hall,
You stated "Note- I have no personal involvement in the location, other then my view of its use, and what it could do for the economy of the Lake."
You seem to avoid answering my question pertaining to "financial interest" in this project. No involvement in the location perhaps but that does not answer my full question. Comments?
I have no financial interest in the location. Nor in the stock market. When I invest, it is in individuals that show promise of being positive citizens and need some help to get there. The promise I speak of is, intelligence, drive, honesty, a good heart, and a desire to be a positive in their community. I also make it part of the deal, that when and if a times comes, that they too, if able, will reach out and return the same to others who may need a helping hand, as my only payback.
mendoAu

Belmont, CA

#75 Feb 25, 2010
Well.....now I'm very curious only because you seem to avoid a simple "NO, I have no involvement (financial or otherwise) with casinos". Perhaps it's just the way you speak, a bit vague.
Konocti Resort Neighbor

Sainte Genevieve, MO

#76 Feb 25, 2010
Mr. Hall:
Agreed! Research is needed to find the best use of the property. Many locals frequented Konocti, utilizing for example; the gym, spa and beauty salon. The restaurant, bar and concert venue also benefited from local patronage.

Revenue streams from services which do not rely on tourist activity exclusively but bring services to the community would make the location a destination for both groups. Planning to serve the local community in this way should help to alleviate animosity between those of us that live here, and those that visit. Economics also drives this as a necessary component of the solution.

By bringing us together in cheerful activity that appeals to our highest aim we would be provided the best environment in which we may bridge the gap between local and tourist. We might even make new friends.

Keep smiling!
Jim Hall wrote:
<quoted text>
Smiles, Your view or thoughts bring back my own memmories of my families vacations here in the 40', 50's and early 60's. My parents had been vacationing here from the 20's. We tried to stay at the same resort, where we would enjoy our vacation friends who did the same for many years. I would love to see that time in my life return, but, it has passed and the new generations have other desires then those simpler times.
They live in a faster lane type world then we did then, get bored at the drop of a hate, and want to stay busy, even when they have time to kick back and relax. THey don't want a kitchen in a cabin, they want place's to eat, variety of fare, kids do their thing and the adults do their thing. If it's not high tech, its no fun or boring now. Lastly, folks now a days don't socialize with strangers like they used too. Fear has taken a toll on our way of living and enjoying life. You need to remember this sad truth, in the 40's 50's, and 60's, 100% of the vacationer's here at the lake were white, and for today, we have demonized drinking, drugs, differnt cultures, etc., to make enjoying each other, even harder, for so many.
Annoyed-- enough already

Midway City, CA

#77 Feb 25, 2010
This county has almost as many casinos as it does grocery stores, the unemployment rate is still sky-high, and our local economy isn't even close being okay. If a casino was going to help us out - it would have happened or be happening. Does this person/persons thinks their casino will be so grand it will solve our problems? And if helping the county as a whole,as well as their-selves isn't part of the plan - then the answer should be NO. This is actually a matter of common sense.
Ddd

Newark, CA

#78 Feb 25, 2010
Just what we need another Casino in an endlessly failing economy..BRILLIANT.
And to top it off all the supporters of the Casino are against Lowe's??? What a bunch of Hippocrates!!!
Lake County's overall stupidity would be funny if it wasn't so true.
Jim Hall

Elizabeth, NJ

#79 Feb 25, 2010
Annoyed-- enough already wrote:
This county has almost as many casinos as it does grocery stores, the unemployment rate is still sky-high, and our local economy isn't even close being okay. If a casino was going to help us out - it would have happened or be happening. Does this person/persons thinks their casino will be so grand it will solve our problems? And if helping the county as a whole,as well as their-selves isn't part of the plan - then the answer should be NO. This is actually a matter of common sense.
Try selling your thoughts about this to the folks in Reno and Vagas, or the state of California who paid for Hwy 80 to Reno, or the flight that goes out of Honolulu each day to Vagas. If you could take your eye off the slots and see all the funds spent on motels, food, gas, baby sitters, taxes, jobs, to name a few, and any project that could and does effect a local economy is something to concider.
Annoyed--

Midway City, CA

#80 Feb 25, 2010
Well, being from Vegas I am convinced that this county will never be another Vegas or Reno. They were built and established in a completely different time period - in areas with room for massive expansion. And in my opinion, not ran/run by folks that can't seem to even calm the inner fueds and dilemnas going on at these reservations (ie elctions & such)- let alone run a multi million dollar business. I do realize casinos around here are not going under and are making people money but how many do we have before they start noticing they are sharing too many profits and then we have another fued/issue to deal with.
Satan

Dixon, CA

#81 Feb 25, 2010
Annoyed-- wrote:
Well, being from Vegas I am convinced that this county will never be another Vegas or Reno. They were built and established in a completely different time period - in areas with room for massive expansion. And in my opinion, not ran/run by folks that can't seem to even calm the inner fueds and dilemnas going on at these reservations (ie elctions & such)- let alone run a multi million dollar business. I do realize casinos around here are not going under and are making people money but how many do we have before they start noticing they are sharing too many profits and then we have another fued/issue to deal with.
Hey Vegas that's my kind of town. I'm here for the making in Lake County, so bring it on.
Mark - Riveria West

Concord, CA

#82 Jul 13, 2013
I am in support of tearing the old facility down....long overdue, build a quality Hotel, Restaurants, bars, boat area, a high quality casino, not like anything currently around the lake, keep the music venue and bring in other entertainment and let's go for a quality facility and create jobs and a true destination area for Lake County again. Put the scrutiny into a quality facility the area needs it! Hey if the Scott's Valley Tribe are the only ones willing to step up, give them a chance to recommend a world class facility, and if they need a Casino to make the economics work more power to them. I don't others knocking down the doors to purchase and risk their money. 2+ years of this eye sore is enough, let's move on and build something we can all be proud of in our community. I also hear rumors about a executive golf course on the other side of Soda Bay Road...nice!
Mark - Riveria West

Concord, CA

#83 Jul 13, 2013
I feel we should be supporting growth whether it is Casino's or Lowe's with investment comes jobs and taxes for the region.

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