It Was `Chaos All The Time'

It Was `Chaos All The Time'

There are 42 comments on the Hartford Courant story from May 2, 2007, titled It Was `Chaos All The Time'. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

Slain `Princess' Often Rebelled Against Treatment, Ran Away May 2, 2007 By COLIN POITRAS , Courant Staff Writer When state officials sent Alexandria Clouse-Desmond to a special school in Bennington, Vt., last ...

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someone who cared

Greenfield, MA

#1 May 2, 2007
Dear Gina,
I just wanted you to know that Alex did touch the lives of many. I really enjoyed having her in my class and my heart goes out to you and your family with her loss. I hope and pray that this tragedy will have some meaning, that it will teach some lesson so that we can better serve those in need of help. God bless you and Alex, you are forever in my prayers.
Spring

AOL

#2 May 2, 2007
A truly sad story and a wake up call for the State, something is very wrong here.

Let this poor girl not hav lived so tragicaly, so horribly, in vain, 6 long years in a system that just moved her from place to place..and a woman's prison? For a young girl with so many mental health issues?

Let's hope that everyone who got a paycheck for "taking care" of this child/woman, from department heads on down, finally get it: this is your job,start being accountable and do not let another life pass in vain because you did not care enough for what you are hired to do, you cared more for your pensions.

Unless you want this death a permanent stain on your souls, vow to use her memory to see what you can do while you still can do it, not after the fact, not wait til anothe r erson has to die from apathy and neglect on the part of the state.

You lead the parents to believe you can take care of teir children better than they can,well,she may not have had the best parenting, but at least she lived through it, more than we can esay for state 'care'.. be ashamed of yourselves and start cleaning up your acts before somene else dies as a result of this state paid neglect.

This is so sad,and a waste of a God-given life, we all should suffer this tragic loss as it is a symbol of the unspeakable horror being done to children by children nobody really gave a damn about to begin with: when a common board game ends with such brutality, where do you even start to make amends to the deceased, her family, and to society?

Rest in Peace,Alexandria, wish someone was there to help you, they may say you wereold eough to make your own decisions, choices, but the 6 years spent under their 'guidance' and 'help' did not give you the skills you needed to even enjoy a simple boardgame without tension,tehn brutality and outright murder.

These kids did not murder Alexandria, the System did, and used the others cases they missed out on as hit men., the state toook 5 kids,not jsut one, be very ashamed of yourselves. Child abuse and neglect, the 'gift' that keeps on giving from the cradle to the detention center/foster home, to life in prison or death, keeps giving to all departemnts except the victim:

fix this horrible wrong, or bag groceries or something where you will not be such a menace to society. It is nOT th e parents, it is NOT th etax-payer, it is the the STATE.and what a sad shame and horror.

“What is this world coming too”

Since: Feb 07

Bridgeport, CT

#7 May 2, 2007
No matter who you want to blame this is a part of everyone. First of all the parents who ONLY SOMETIMES would get in the car to go look for her. NOT ALL THE TIME>... why not she was your little girl. Think she didn't know you didn't look for her??? She was looking for attention wasn't that obvious!!!! Mom just stuck her in the states care. Granted she was running away and yes had a mental illness that was OBVIOUSLY taken care of by meds since the mom said she was a perfect teenager on her meds. Well then you could have controlled her at home. When she finally ran away from the state home this time... THE FAMILY knew they were willing to take her in!! AHhhh yeah... how about call the home make sure she goes back and is discharged properly even if they told her it is time for her to get out on her own. Also why is it that the state wants to realese kids like her that may not have been fit for society yet. They didn't give her the needed skills to be an adult. Since that is the case shouldn't there be a test that can be court ordered and if they are not fit then they go to an ADULT home. Just like the girl who was part of killing her. She told the state workers that she wasn't sure how to control her anger and they still had her leave the home because she fought with a teacher. Doesn't that raise the red flag??? Maybe she wasn't ready, she knew it... hell the state should have known it. Don't our taxes pay for these state run homes??? We should have a say in how things are done there and who works there. These workers didn't give a damn, they just push the kids through until they are 18. It is just a paycheck for them. You know years and years ago... people who did that job were like gods. Because everyone understands that it is a hard job and you need a lot of compassion to do it. What happened.... cause it certainly isn't like that anymore. Get out and do a different job if you don't want to help these young people who need the guidance to be able to live amongst the rest of. Granted some will say they shouldn't be there if people didn't have kids. Honestly some people who live normal lives and are willing and able to care for their children do end up with children who have mental illnesses and need the assistance. So get off this tying tubes stuff, one it isn't just woman who create the CHILD. The men play a part too. How about snipping them. The children are our future. Rest in peace little one. I am sure you are living a much better life now then what was offered to you here. Sorry you couldn't enjoy it here.
Christine

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#8 May 2, 2007
Wow, some sad Posts here. Yes it's all the states fault for this poor girl and her killers really are the victims. The end has to be near. I applaud the mom for actually getting in her car and going to look for her daughter. Now that is a caring mother!
DCF EMPLOYEE

Bristol, CT

#9 May 2, 2007
Many of the Connecticut Department of Children and Families empolyees are hired family members and friends whom are working for the Department (DCF) just for the money. If Blumenthal was to do audits of the payroll and funds given to the CT, Children's Place, I'm more thansure that he would find alot of wrong doing by administration there which also, flows from their personell dept. and human resources. The staff are in a "click" and kick alot of things under the carpet there inorder to hide the corruption, pilferring and mishandling of state funds. THE CHILDREN AREN'T CARED FOR WITH COMPATION AND ARE SOMETIMES IN A WORSE SITUATION FROM WHICH THEY LEFT (@ HOME). THEY'RE ABUSED MENTALLY AS WELL AS PHYSICALLY. MORE TO FIND OUT (ABOUT CCP AND RIVERVIEW)IF PEOPLE WITH AUTHORITY WHOM CARE WOULD INVESTIGATE.
High School Parent

South Windsor, CT

#18 May 2, 2007
The article mentions she was sexually abused? Naturally, there are no details. Sexual abuse is horrible....and can scar a child. And if the mom knew about it and did nothing, this hurts a child even more. So I have to wonder....how much did mom know about it and what did she do? Are the sex abuse allegations true? If true, thats where it all started and went downhill from there. Where there's sexual abuse, there's usually other forms of abuse. However, once placed with the state for help, they had a responsibility to her. They failed.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#21 May 2, 2007
As our legislators are banning trans fatty acids in our restaurants, DCF is again making life shattering mistakes.
Myself, I'd rather be threatened by an elevated cholesterol level and have these kids managed in a more thorough and responsible way.
Dan

Danbury, CT

#22 May 2, 2007
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>We need to take her internet privileges away!
LOL!!!
Bill

South Portland, ME

#23 May 2, 2007
Society's Trash
Christine

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#24 May 2, 2007
High School Parent wrote:
The article mentions she was sexually abused? Naturally, there are no details. Sexual abuse is horrible....and can scar a child. And if the mom knew about it and did nothing, this hurts a child even more. So I have to wonder....how much did mom know about it and what did she do? Are the sex abuse allegations true? If true, thats where it all started and went downhill from there. Where there's sexual abuse, there's usually other forms of abuse. However, once placed with the state for help, they had a responsibility to her. They failed.
Of course there are no details cause it's not PC to go after the Mother who probably has many issues also. It's much easier to trash the system. Mom was most likely with her boyfriend and abusing drugs.
Concerned Citizen

Rocky Hill, CT

#26 May 2, 2007
It's time to make a clean sweep of DCF and get the right people in there. How can we sit back and allow this to happen again and again.
Patty

Newington, CT

#27 May 2, 2007
Alexandria was obviously a very troubled young woman but in no way deserved how she died. We should not focus on all the things she did wrong but instead look at how the agencies who were supposed to be serving her were not.
Rells Bad Crew At Top

Waterbury, CT

#28 May 2, 2007
The UNION will protect the Bad Ones.

“What is this world coming too”

Since: Feb 07

Bridgeport, CT

#29 May 2, 2007
DCF FosterParent wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not agree with the first half of your comment but certainly agree on the last half. Have you ever cared for a child
such as Alexandria. Well, I have as a foster parent.

No i have never cared for a child who has issues such as Alex. However, I do deal with some issues in other ways and trust me it wouldn't be to put the person in states care knowing I am able to help especially if the child is doing good on meds. Many people do not agree with the meds but it does make a person more fit for society. There are so many out there now, so the excuse of a person being lazy or loopy is crap now a days. Honestly what part don't you agree with? You found it fitting that the MOTHER only SOMETIMES went to look for her daughter? At this point it really doesn't matter there is a lot of cleaning up to do and it starts at the home. Yes parents need to step up and be good parents and role models. Who cares if they got divorced young... they still could of had a part in her life. Just because mom and dad doesn't work that doesn't mean ruin your childs life and not still work as parents should. Although it doesn't really say who sexually abused Alex so some can go on the assumption that it was dad because he hasn't said a word to the media about his daughter likely because he had nothing to do with her because of something that happened many years ago. That is an assumption NOT A FACT so don't everyone go get their panties in a bunch. Maybe it was neighbor friend that sexually abused her we don't know. But it is true there is so much more behind sexual abuse then sex!! There is physical and emotional abuse that comes along with that. Especially at a young age. Or did you not agree with my comment about DCF workers. Yeah there are many out there that do a wonderful job and seems like you are one of them and i pat you on the back and would hug you for it. But there ARE SO SO MANY that are not like you. Then the homes for the mentally ill children like Alex are run by and worked in by people who don't really care. I know it is not an easy job at a place like that but isn't that something one knows before walking in there. They are aware it is hard and this is more about truly loving and helping then just a paycheck... it is not an accounting firm it is a home for children who need guidance and love.
Ann

Jamesville, NC

#30 May 2, 2007
Early Childhood Adv, a lot of what you are saying seems very unfair. Yes parents should be responsible for their children, however we don't know what her mother's life was like. It's unfair to assume that she just simply didn't want her daughter. Maybe she didn't have the financial resources to take care of her and thought giving her to state care was what was best for her daughter, not for the mother. Let's not jump to conclusions about drugs either - not everyone who ends up with depression or in violence is a drug adict.

“What is this world coming too”

Since: Feb 07

Bridgeport, CT

#31 May 2, 2007
Early Childhood Adv wrote:
<quoted text>
If her daughter was so perfect on meds than why didn't mom take her back? The guidance needs to come from home...again, both mom and dad needed to be in her life divorced or not, the children are the future if they are given a chance and not stored away for someone else to care for. It is a hard job so one needs compassion to do it? Now, try it without meds. If you all are using narcotics I'll make certin you are arrested.
I agree with you. I think mom should have taken her back since she and the staff agreed that she was a good child while on meds. I also agree with you both parents need to be a part of her life regardless of their indifferences. My husband is a very huge part of his sons life and him and his ex make sure they have as decent as a relationship they can so that their son grows up knowing they love him and both go to events together with me and her husband and support him as a young boy in the things he does. However, if a child is not able to be cared for at home or the home is not fitting which many are and that is just how it goes all across america... then homes like the one Alex was in are needed and children need to be put there. The problem is these homes need to hire people who really care and have compassion and are not there for the paycheck. So yes to work in a facility like the one Alex is in you do need compassion, you need to be able to care for those who are looking at you for help.
I don't get your last statement about doing it without meds and if using narcotics???
CrookVille

Hartford, CT

#32 May 2, 2007
18 is the MAGIC number with DCF & the CHILDREN they serve. You can talk all you want, once the child reaches 17 1/2 they will start talking about "signing out" of DCF. Kids refuse meds cause they dont want to be laughed at by peers. They know they need the meds and the services but that number "18" make you think you can do what you want to do.
I encourage any of you to visit a Temp Shelter/Group Home for girls and do your part. Many people talk about what's wrong but aren't doing anything to assist.
One thing about these DCF places, they have many job openings (every shift) 24/7/365
CrookVille

Hartford, CT

#33 May 2, 2007
its all EDDIE's fault (lol)

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-soubomb0...
(Hartford kid must have been the ringleader, right?)
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-hfdgun4s...
(burb boy coming to Hartford to pawn his tool)
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hr/hc-uconn...

POST YOUR COMMENTS under these stories
NYCE

Windsor Locks, CT

#34 May 2, 2007
Mr. Erickson, take your meds, call your doctor, and those bad state officials that have had it out for you since the day they were born will go away. Schizophrenia is a treatable condition, I recommend you seek treatment, throw away your computer, and find a hobby.
DCF Foster Parent

Berlin, CT

#35 May 2, 2007
CrookVille wrote:
18 is the MAGIC number with DCF & the CHILDREN they serve. You can talk all you want, once the child reaches 17 1/2 they will start talking about "signing out" of DCF. Kids refuse meds cause they dont want to be laughed at by peers. They know they need the meds and the services but that number "18" make you think you can do what you want to do.
I encourage any of you to visit a Temp Shelter/Group Home for girls and do your part. Many people talk about what's wrong but aren't doing anything to assist.
One thing about these DCF places, they have many job openings (every shift) 24/7/365
You are absolutely right.

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