Ownership, height of campground bridg...

Ownership, height of campground bridge questioned

There are 12 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Aug 4, 2009, titled Ownership, height of campground bridge questioned. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

John Lupse wasn't happy to find out from state Department of Transportation officials Tuesday that he owns a bridge that was built to his Conewago Isle Campground.

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Frickin amazing

Inkster, MI

#1 Aug 4, 2009
Why the hell are taxpayers paying for bridges to private campgrounds. Damn, must be pork or stimulus money that MUST BE pi$$ed away. I give up! PA can't balance a budget, but can build projects such as this...it is called progress. Quit complainin' and continue paying your taxes. THEY need the money.
camper

United States

#2 Aug 4, 2009
I grew up at this campground I know the faimly who owns it. The Lupse family did NOT want this bridge built on their private campground the state is building it so they dont shut a family out of business with their new bridge. That aside, Mr. Lupse is exactly right. When a flash flood hits this campground it will destroy everything on the island and could possibly take lives with it. The creek waters here rise very quickly after a storm and there may not be enough time to evacuate everyone on the island with the height of this bridge.
camper

United States

#3 Aug 5, 2009
you guys are idiots, the entire campground is built in a flood plain, he is grandfathered into this campground and it would never be allowed to be a campground again if he were to ever sell it. the island already floods anyway and that is going to be changed no matter how they get on and off the island
Gar

Harrisburg, PA

#4 Aug 5, 2009
PennDot screwed the pooch again. And if you think this is a waste of tax payer money, just wait till all the legal fees are added in to fix this mess.
Semi-literate

York, PA

#5 Aug 5, 2009
"What we have here, is a failure to communicate."
Crazy

West Des Moines, IA

#6 Aug 5, 2009
The road continues through the campground, it's not like they just built the bridges for the campground itself. Any vehicle that was not within the parameters of the old bridges limits could not continue on the road, much less enter the campground. I also used to camp here during my childhood and I can say with certainty that the new bridges are far too low.
cookie

Mahanoy City, PA

#7 Aug 5, 2009
Hell, if you own the bridge according to Penn Dot, why not charge toll to cross it? You could always become the troll. Since it is a state road you should not be responsible.
Mark

Middletown, PA

#8 Aug 5, 2009
How much did WE pay for that bridge?

Unbelievable. I wonder how many MORE projects like this are "shovel ready".

Bend over people- we (taxpayers) are gonna take it up the a$$!!!
Reality Check

Mechanicsburg, PA

#9 Aug 5, 2009
Crazy wrote:
The road continues through the campground, it's not like they just built the bridges for the campground itself. Any vehicle that was not within the parameters of the old bridges limits could not continue on the road, much less enter the campground. I also used to camp here during my childhood and I can say with certainty that the new bridges are far too low.
Actually, I think they are only replacing the bridge on the mill race side of the island, so after they remove the bridge on the creek side, the state road will no longer be a throughway. You will only be able to reach the island from the Big Mount side. I guess the old mini-bike trail on that side of the creek will fade out of existence.

I was on the campground during hurricanes Agnes and Eloise. The water rose so rapidly during Agnes that access to both bridges was cut off within hours, trapping many families on the island. The height of the bridge is not really relevant. Once the water level crests the banks of the mill race or the creek and floods the lower end of the island, there is no way to get to the bridge. The old bridge spans were 20 feet above the water, but you still couldn't get to the ramps when the island flooded.
Crazy

Columbia, MD

#10 Aug 5, 2009
Thanks for the info Reality Check. It's been a while since I have been there however I do remember the road continued. We used to jump off of that bridge as kids (not entirely safe but fun nonetheless). I'm not entirely familiar with how ownership of bridges works but I highly doubt that the campground owned the bridge that was replaced or else they would have been required to change it. Secondly, to all of those complaining about paying for the bridge, the newer bridge is a much safer structure for everyone. How can you complain about making bridges safe. He now owns this bridge so I would think that he is now responsible for any problems from here on out, so penndot may have saved money in the long run.
Crazy

Columbia, MD

#11 Aug 5, 2009
lol, sorry. My ISP and work ISP are no where near my home. Just funny.
Great Solution

Inkster, MI

#12 Aug 5, 2009
cookie wrote:
Hell, if you own the bridge according to Penn Dot, why not charge toll to cross it? You could always become the troll. Since it is a state road you should not be responsible.
I heard the PA Turnpike Commission is going to take over the bridge; install "Troll" Booths, so the taxpaying citizenry will receive a better deal. Finally an answer, which means we no longer will be takin' it up the butt.

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