Judge returns man's permit to carry a...

Judge returns man's permit to carry a concealed weapon

There are 86 comments on the Public Opinion story from Jan 8, 2008, titled Judge returns man's permit to carry a concealed weapon. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

Returned: Greg Rotz of Chambersburg displays his gun permit following Tuesdays hearing before President Judge John Walker in Franklin County Court.

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John Madrid

Plainfield, NJ

#1 Jan 9, 2008
What needs to be addressed now, is what to do with the constable and former sheriff involved. It appears that they used the color of their office to violate someone's civil rights. The constable by his making an illegal request of someone, caused the disorderly situation. The sheriff in taking a permit unlawfully from someone. I believe both are criminal acts that were deliberate. There may be conspiracy involved here as well. Let's hold them both accountable for their actions.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

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#2 Jan 9, 2008
Sounds like a net loss got the pro-gun side. All this has done is open the door to more restrictions and laws. Walker's quote says it all...

So much for the "use it or lose it" theory...

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#3 Jan 9, 2008
John Madrid wrote:
What needs to be addressed now, is what to do with the constable and former sheriff involved. It appears that they used the color of their office to violate someone's civil rights. The constable by his making an illegal request of someone, caused the disorderly situation. The sheriff in taking a permit unlawfully from someone. I believe both are criminal acts that were deliberate. There may be conspiracy involved here as well. Let's hold them both accountable for their actions.
Can they be held liable for anything - there is some language in the PA Uniform Firearms Code that suggests not...

"(j) Immunity.-A sheriff who complies in good faith with this section shall be immune from liability resulting or arising from the action or misconduct with a firearm committed by any individual to whom a license to carry a firearm has been issued."
Myownopinion

Mechanicsburg, PA

#4 Jan 9, 2008
Oh, stop, John - what needs to be addressed is why someone feels compelled to wear a gun into a polling place in the first place and scare the snot out of anyone else who happens to be there at the time. The Sheriff's office may have been in err but our rootin' tootin' gun holder should have used better judgement. Frankly, he knew he was going to cause a problem and did it anyway.
Anon

Lansing, MI

#5 Jan 9, 2008
If he has a concealed carry permit, why the need to carry it in the open for all to see? I carry a concealed handgun, but never feel the need or the desire to carry it for everyone to see. I think it would just bring unwanted attention and the cops called.
Me2inPA

Sterling, VA

#6 Jan 9, 2008
You would think this guy won the lottery or something! OK, he has a right to carry, but I still don't understand why, when he was asked not to bring the gun into a place, he insisted on doing it anyhow. Yes, it's legal, but WHY?

None of the gun-toters have answered my question yet. They all say "well IF something had happened, we would have been able to protect you". If I am stupid enough to go into a place where I am not safe, then it's MY responsibility to protect myself, nobody else's. And Thank You, but I don't need any cowboys stepping up to offer what I don't want or need.

So, would somebody PLEEZ explain to me why it was necessary to carry that gun into the polling place except for the purpose of somebody's ego?
Agree

Middleburg, FL

#7 Jan 9, 2008
I agree, if he has his right to conceal permit, why does he feel the need to carry it in the open? All he is doing is bringing attention to himself ... but maybe that is what he wants. He wants to feel powerful and let everyone know that he is a bad-a$$!
Tech No

Harrisburg, PA

#8 Jan 9, 2008
"myown opinion" and "Me2inPA" said it correctly.
WHY do you have to show everyone you are wearing a firearm. You conceal it on your person for the element of suprise. i.e. If i am a criminal and i see you are wearing a gun, who do you think i am going to shoot first?
It seems that he needs to display his gun to make up for shortfalls in other areas of his life.
itsme

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Jan 9, 2008
Walker did what he had to do. The law allows Rotz to carry. Unfortunately, there is no law that requires Rotz to show good judgement while excercising his rights.
Oh ME2

Reading, PA

#10 Jan 9, 2008
Because we can, it's our right, just like those that choose to worship or not worship a religion!!!!!
Oh ME2

Reading, PA

#11 Jan 9, 2008
Horse,

To me and many, many others that might sit on a jury, they did NOT act in "good faith".
give me a break

Shippensburg, PA

#12 Jan 9, 2008
The only comment i`m gonna make is. You may have won the battle, Mr. Rotz, but you sure ain`t won the war. Now , thanks to you, there will most certainly be a new law. Thank you.
Ron Slover

Pittsburgh, PA

#13 Jan 9, 2008
I understand that Rotz had a legal right to carry his weapon, a concealed weapon permit was in his possession and from what I gather from the article the weapon was not concealed. The question I have is why he felt the need to do so at a polling place. I'm not against gun ownership at all but there shpould be some responsibility on the part of the owners even if they have a permit to carry firearms in public. I really don't see why he felt the need to carry his weapon at that particular time. Essentially, all it did was cause a media fus, bring him undue attention and it all looks like simple bravado to me, he was showing off.
UNKNOWN

Newville, PA

#14 Jan 9, 2008
BOTTOM LINE, WHY DID MR. ROTZ FEEL THE NEED TO WEAR HIS GUN INTO THE ELECTION BLDG? WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO PROVE? ALL THIS HAS DONE IS GIVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST GUNS THE FUEL TO TRY TO RESTRICT POSSESION OF GUNS. WHY DID HE HAVE TO MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS? HE COULD HAVE EASILY TAKEN THE GUN, PUT IT IN HIS VEHICLE FOR A FEW MINUTES,BUT NO, NOW THIS ISSUE IS IN THE FOREFRONT AGAIN.
Tom

Fairfax, VA

#15 Jan 9, 2008
Me2inPA wrote "If I am stupid enough to go into a place where I am not safe, then it's MY responsibility to protect myself, nobody else's."

Like the kids that were killed while going to class in VaTech? How dare they be so stupid to go to such a dangerous place like school? What were they thinking?
Just a paper reader

Whitney, PA

#16 Jan 9, 2008
I'm not taking a stand on guns either way, its your right to have them and my right not to have them, but my only question is, from what I have read about this issue, Mr. Rotz had a permit to conceal his gun, but he chose to wear it on the outside of his clothing and a constable asked him not to bring it inside the polling place. Would of it not been just as easy to cover the gun up, avoiding all this mess.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

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#17 Jan 9, 2008
Just a paper reader wrote:
I'm not taking a stand on guns either way, its your right to have them and my right not to have them, but my only question is, from what I have read about this issue, Mr. Rotz had a permit to conceal his gun, but he chose to wear it on the outside of his clothing and a constable asked him not to bring it inside the polling place. Would of it not been just as easy to cover the gun up, avoiding all this mess.
Thats the part I dont get. The open carry thing is one threshold - that's more of a Constitutional issue/right.- The Conceal Carry is a PERMIT - not a right. You - in essence - have to get permission to conceal the weapon. One would think this PERMIT would be issued for the tactical advantage that concealment offers and to avoid situations precisely like this. He had the conceal permit - why didnt he use it!?
What Up

Chambersburg, PA

#18 Jan 9, 2008
You guys who complain about Mr Rotz feeling the need to carry the gun into the polling place are missing the point of the argument. Under any circumstance you can not have a law enformcement official enforcing something he/she thinks is right but not against the law. Once that happens weve lost all freedoms
Richard47

Elk River, MN

#19 Jan 9, 2008
People who carry often carry 24/7. It's like your wallet or cell phone. You don't take personal items home or leave personal items in the car (if you have one) just to vote.

Some people may be scared by the mere sight of a gun (although they see them on police without freaking), but it's not a rational fear.

If somebody has a gun, I want it with them, not out in the cloak room or a parking lot.
xyz

Mount Vernon, OH

#20 Jan 9, 2008
Me2inPA wrote:
You would think this guy won the lottery or something! OK, he has a right to carry, but I still don't understand why, when he was asked not to bring the gun into a place, he insisted on doing it anyhow. Yes, it's legal, but WHY?
None of the gun-toters have answered my question yet. They all say "well IF something had happened, we would have been able to protect you". If I am stupid enough to go into a place where I am not safe, then it's MY responsibility to protect myself, nobody else's. And Thank You, but I don't need any cowboys stepping up to offer what I don't want or need.
So, would somebody PLEEZ explain to me why it was necessary to carry that gun into the polling place except for the purpose of somebody's ego?
Well, I am not a "gun-toter" but I do fully support those "cowboys & girls" that are. And I can tell you, if I am ever in a place such as a polling place,a mall, my church or the numerous other places that whacko people pick to start shooting up innocent people, I am gonna be darn glad someone decided to exercise their GOD GIVEN right & have carried their weapon @ that particular time.
Just because it was a polling place does not make it immune to terroists & the other pyscho's of the world. That doesn't sound egotistical to me. So, it's better to be prepared.
As for you,(Quote:"If I am stupid enough to go into a place where I am not safe, then it's MY responsibility to protect myself, nobody else's. And Thank You, but I don't need any cowboys stepping up to offer what I don't want or need.")
Maybe you should stay in your house because in this day & age you just never know what can happen & where. And I do hope if you ever find yourself in a threatening situation, you make your choice to protect yourself loud & clear to those who would choose to protect you, including the police since (Quote: "it's MY responsibility to protect myself, nobody else's.") so that they don't waste their time.
Way to go Mr. Rotz!!! And a big thank you to all the "rootin' tootin' Cowboys & Girls!!

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