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US churches renew call for action on guns after Newton mass killing

There are 29 comments on the Ekklesia Daily News story from Dec 15, 2012, titled US churches renew call for action on guns after Newton mass killing. In it, Ekklesia Daily News reports that:

The President of the National Council of Churches USA has expressed "shock and the profoundest grief" over the death of 20 children and seven adults at the hands of a gunman in an elementary school today in Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#1 Dec 15, 2012
What action will truly prevent this from happening again? If we truly OUTLAW guns......ONLY outlaws WILL have guns......then what?
Captain Obvious

Aliquippa, PA

#2 Dec 15, 2012
Yeah, that worked great for the "war on drugs" didn't it?

I mean, they banned pot and cocaine and heroin from this country, and ever since,its been really scarce in this country.....So, if they banned guns...:/

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#3 Dec 15, 2012
Captain Obvious wrote:
Yeah, that worked great for the "war on drugs" didn't it?
I mean, they banned pot and cocaine and heroin from this country, and ever since,its been really scarce in this country.....So, if they banned guns...:/
What a stupid fucktard you are.

Guns are not being imported from Colombia and Afghanistan, and the majority of them are not being sold illegally on the street or from crackhouses. The source of the guns is known and could be stopped easily.
Captain Obvious

Aliquippa, PA

#4 Dec 16, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
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What a stupid fucktard you are.
Guns are not being imported from Colombia and Afghanistan, and the majority of them are not being sold illegally on the street or from crackhouses. The source of the guns is known and could be stopped easily.
You think so?

And you think Im retarded?

lol

If you managed to ban them and confiscate the majority of them.

you dont think smugglers wouldn't find a way to sell them on the black market here?

Man, you must live in somekind of socialist fantasyland.
Non believer

Greenvale, Australia

#5 Dec 16, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
What action will truly prevent this from happening again? If we truly OUTLAW guns......ONLY outlaws WILL have guns......then what?
Ask yourself this question. If tighter gun controls in the USA meant that one innocent life is saved, is it worth doing?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#6 Dec 16, 2012
Non believer wrote:
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Ask yourself this question. If tighter gun controls in the USA meant that one innocent life is saved, is it worth doing?
That's just it......tighter Gun Control ONLY applies to law abiding citizens........OUTLAWS will still be able to get guns like they do now........and obviously that was missed in my comment!!!

If one life could be saved, yes......but that's not being realistic and that's why tighter gun controls aren't the solution!!!

I thank whoever gave me the lil juding icons........it means I hit a nerve somewhere!!!

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#8 Dec 16, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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That's just it......tighter Gun Control ONLY applies to law abiding citizens........OUTLAWS will still be able to get guns like they do now........and obviously that was missed in my comment!!!
If one life could be saved, yes......but that's not being realistic and that's why tighter gun controls aren't the solution!!!
I thank whoever gave me the lil juding icons........it means I hit a nerve somewhere!!!
You're right! Outlawing guns will not eliminate guns because guns will always be sold on the black market or sold in some illegal way. If somebody wants a gun bad enough, like anything else, they'll find a way to get it.
Non believer

Greenvale, Australia

#9 Dec 16, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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That's just it......tighter Gun Control ONLY applies to law abiding citizens........OUTLAWS will still be able to get guns like they do now........and obviously that was missed in my comment!!!
If one life could be saved, yes......but that's not being realistic and that's why tighter gun controls aren't the solution!!!
I thank whoever gave me the lil juding icons........it means I hit a nerve somewhere!!!
Yes, the little judge-it fairy had been out today.

Regardless, outlaws will always be able to get guns. Just like drunk drivers will always drink and drive.

But, if restrictions like Australia has are imposed responsible people can still own a gun yet the type and quantity are greatly reduced then maybe the tide of violence will start to turn. The only way to find out is to try sometimes.

It has worked here
Non believer

Greenvale, Australia

#10 Dec 16, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>You're right! Outlawing guns will not eliminate guns because guns will always be sold on the black market or sold in some illegal way. If somebody wants a gun bad enough, like anything else, they'll find a way to get it.
Agreed, but something snapped in that guy and his access to firearms was too easily available.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#11 Dec 16, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
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What a stupid fucktard you are.
Guns are not being imported from Colombia and Afghanistan, and the majority of them are not being sold illegally on the street or from crackhouses. The source of the guns is known and could be stopped easily.
I'd buy a milling machine and start making guns in my basement. With gun outlawed I'd make BANK on my guns.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#12 Dec 16, 2012
anglo saxon 18 wrote:
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These massacres are always done by legal gun owners holding legal guns, gang bangers don't seem to do school massacres. And this stanza chaps mother was armed to her fcuking tits, several semi auto handguns and an assault rifle the moronic bitch owned, at least she got her money's worth. Fcuking crank
Try and get the name right.....it's Lanza.......and Adam Lanza WASN'T the legal gun owner......his mother was......he couldn't get a weapon in his name.......and just because as you put it, "gang banger's don't seem to do school massacres" DOESN'T mean "gang banger's" don't do senseless violent crimes and kill innocent victims......I mean how many innocent children get shot and die from drive by shootings? What a asinine comparison!!!

Oh and try to remember that Nancy Lanza was shot and killed by her son before he went off to the school.....yep, she got her monies worth......another asinine comment from an idiot!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#13 Dec 16, 2012
Non believer wrote:
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Yes, the little judge-it fairy had been out today.
Regardless, outlaws will always be able to get guns. Just like drunk drivers will always drink and drive.
But, if restrictions like Australia has are imposed responsible people can still own a gun yet the type and quantity are greatly reduced then maybe the tide of violence will start to turn. The only way to find out is to try sometimes.
It has worked here
Well it may work where you live.....but here in the United States, we have a Constitutional right to BEAR ARMS.....and even with that right.....a person who wants to purchase a weapon MUST wait like 15 days before they can get it while a background check is ran, but a thug or criminal can have one in about 15 minutes.......and in Switzerland, everyone has a gun......violet gun crimes are the lowest in the world......I'm just saying that tighter gun control laws here.......probably aren't going to prevent these types of vicious crimes and to try and remove the rights of honest law abiding citizens to purchase and own guns......well, that would be legally challenged and the NRA would more than likely win!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#14 Dec 16, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>You're right! Outlawing guns will not eliminate guns because guns will always be sold on the black market or sold in some illegal way. If somebody wants a gun bad enough, like anything else, they'll find a way to get it.
Exactly my point.......and that's the part of the problem that I don't really know how to fix!!!

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#16 Dec 16, 2012
Non believer wrote:
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Agreed, but something snapped in that guy and his access to firearms was too easily available.
Well, it has been established that the killer was born with neurodevelopmental disorder. People, depending on the severity of the mental condition, don't live in the same world of reality as someone without a mental disorder. The brain is a complicated piece of wiring. There is also the late onset of neurological disorders as the brain ages too.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#17 Dec 16, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Exactly my point.......and that's the part of the problem that I don't really know how to fix!!!
Unfortunately, there are always criminals selling on the blackmarket because they know big money can be made on illegal items because there's always buyers desperate enough to pay or the uber wealthy individuals, not all, who have the money to burn to do it. Artwork, ancient artifacts, etc.......are examples of blackmarket transactions that are illegal too, but a buyer with money to burn doesn't care about law or who gets hurt or killed when it comes to getting what they want. Buyers are just as guilty as the seller of illegal items.
larry darrell and darrell

La Salle, IL

#18 Dec 16, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, there are always criminals selling on the blackmarket because they know big money can be made on illegal items because there's always buyers desperate enough to pay or the uber wealthy individuals, not all, who have the money to burn to do it. Artwork, ancient artifacts, etc.......are examples of blackmarket transactions that are illegal too, but a buyer with money to burn doesn't care about law or who gets hurt or killed when it comes to getting what they want. Buyers are just as guilty as the seller of illegal items.
Do you think that law enforcement allows this to NOT be a priority because of the NRA and the gun manufacturing corporations?

They give a LOT to police enforcement through the Homeland Security tax dollars.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#19 Dec 16, 2012
larry darrell and darrell wrote:
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Do you think that law enforcement allows this to NOT be a priority because of the NRA and the gun manufacturing corporations?
They give a LOT to police enforcement through the Homeland Security tax dollars.
It probably does, because money talks. Unfortunately, there are people who value money over life.
Realityguy

Madrid, Spain

#20 Dec 16, 2012
No regulation or law can prevent crime or crimanls but, that being said, the levels of guns and the types of guns and all the periphenalia that go with them can be limmited. And, along with limiting gun ownership and types of guns permitted legally there should be tighter control on how ownership is obtained and the levels of scrutiny of anyone applying for a license.

There are ways to lessen these types of tragedies but, it requires leadership at the political level and that is something that has been sorely missing up until now.

Obama promised gun control during the 2008 campaign and just like most of his other promises, he has done nothing on the issue nor to lead even the most minimal amount on it.

The last point to be made is that minority groups like the NRA have too much influence and political sway on issues affecting the vast majority of Americans and until something is done on that issue as well, Americans will be hostages to the whims and agenda of these minority groups.

American society and culture is in a serious degredation cycle and until something or someone comes along to change the direction I think there is worse in store for all.
Realityguy

Madrid, Spain

#21 Dec 16, 2012
larry darrell and darrell wrote:
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Do you think that law enforcement allows this to NOT be a priority because of the NRA and the gun manufacturing corporations?
They give a LOT to police enforcement through the Homeland Security tax dollars.
Please Darrell, use you head. Law enforcement has no reason to support the NRA. They are targets as well and have to deal with the negative side of this issue on a daily basis.

The politicians are the ones with the vested interests in this issue and most of all those who accept the funds from the NRA and other groups to remain silent and spineless on the issue.

This issue is one that can only be managed at State and National political levels and until the politicians pay some consequences for ignoring any kind of limiting or controlling legislation on this industry there will be little done and there is no telling where or when and how horrible the next scene of carnage will occur but one thing is certain, it will keep on happening.
answers

United States

#24 Dec 16, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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That's just it......tighter Gun Control ONLY applies to law abiding citizens........OUTLAWS will still be able to get guns like they do now........and obviously that was missed in my comment!!!
If one life could be saved, yes......but that's not being realistic and that's why tighter gun controls aren't the solution!!!
I thank whoever gave me the lil juding icons........it means I hit a nerve somewhere!!!
I agree with you.

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