Here is our Answer ... House burned in North Carolina because owner was gay

Nov 11, 2008 | Posted by: Paulathesurfmom | Full story: lezgetreal.com

This past weekend I wrote an article titled the Answer I Got.

In that article I said that because of the passage of Prop 8 in California, people in less enlightened places like where I live in North Carolina, were going to take that vote as a mandate to do more to gays then just vote against their rights to marry and that I was now loading my gun...

Yesterday A fire that destroyed a home in Newton, North Carolina may have been started by someone targeting its owner because he is gay, county and state investigators say.

Firefighters found homophobic and racist slurs spray painted on the back of the building.

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Ashamed to be an Arkie

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Nov 12, 2008
 
Ken wrote:
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Isn't agave the fruit used to make Tequila?
It is... consider that many fruits put together, fermented and distilled, create something that is a whole lot stronger. How apt!
(and to inject a little off color humor, it's one heckuva "licker")
nina

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Nov 12, 2008
 
Paulathesurfmom wrote:
That would be why am advocating Gays arm them selves... they will do us harm more to us then just voting against us.
I tried in the mid 90's to keep track of the names of gays and lesbians who were murdered by these cowards

the list got long and too depressing

there was an art show recently in vancouver - it was of body tags, done 6 fooy tall by 3 wide - listing the details of a crime scene for 100 different gays and lesbians who were murdered

to each tag, was attached replicas of the weapons used to kill them

I couldn't bear to go, it was too overwhelming
Dove

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Nov 13, 2008
 
Paulathesurfmom wrote:
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I never said to go shoot people... I just said that we need to protect ourselves, if you had not noticed the law these days is doing a very poor job of that.
That I can agree with. I think mentioning guns just confused everything by introducing a separate issue.

The important thing is that gay people need to know that there are still a lot of nasty bigots out there and they're feeling emboldened and validated by Prop 8. It is important that gay people be ready to defend themselves against random hate crimes. The method by which they defend themselves is up to them.

Personally, I recommend trying to avoid leaving known "gay" places alone and keeping a cellphone handy. Don't let fear stop you from living your life but don't be too careless either.

DNF

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Nov 19, 2008
 
AnotherView wrote:
Amidst the calls for violence, consider this:
"You have heard that it was said,‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. "(Matthew)
And before reacting by saying this suggests we should all submit and be meek, pardon me ... but your ignorance is showing ... learn more - because that is NOT the point at all. In researching the point, I found this well-stated essay:
http://www.publicchristian.com/index.php...
Particularly enjoy the details in discussing the 4th point.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_the_othe... ...
'An analogous sentiment is spoken by Socrates in his conversation with Crito in 399 BC before his execution in Athens.“One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him." '
The point is non-violent disobedience. Violence is never the answer. Guns are violence.
The violent response results in the outcome spoken by Gandhi,“An eye for an eye, and we all go blind.”
With all thy getting, get understanding.
I'd like to make two points about handguns. One: defending yourself and being able to defend yourself is not promoting violence. Two: Actively informing people of their rights and teaching them how to defend and fight for those rights in a legal manner is not promoting violence.
Now as for an effective strategy for dealing with the recent elections, I came across the "A Day without Gays" idea. To me it sounds excellent. Call in sick to work, boycott all public entities like buses etc. And do absolutely no shopping ANYWHERE!! Stay off the phones, internet etc. In other words, do exactly what they want us to do. Disappear for a day. Actually I like the idea of a much longer protest like Gandhi's general strike, but one day is a start.
The National Day of Silence that students (gay and straight observe) is a great example of how one simple idea and one quiet voice can change the world. Even if it is in a small way.

DNF

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Nov 19, 2008
 
Tom in El Paso wrote:
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Those who come late to the table are always the most self righteous. They're also the ones who cause things to go back instead of moving forward. Happens all the time.
Barney Frank (who I met and worked with for many, many years) isn't your Congress person. Nor is the staff member in his office. You'd be better off calling for an appointment and meeting with the people who are supposed to represent your Congeressional interests. Barney can't do that for you. Only YOU can do that for you. And they'll be leaving their local offices on Monday to go back to Washington so you'd best get off the computer and try to get a meeting. But you already know that from the talks you've had with other gay rights activists in your state, no?
PS: If you go to meet with that person or their staff you might wanna leave your guns at home.
I disagree. The most self righteous are more often those who have been around for a while and develope egos to match their arrogance and anger. Much like you Tom. How dare you judge anyone else. As for Barney Frank, yes that is rather pointless and you are absolutely correct that change needs to start on a local level. But talking down to someone who wants to make a differnce is the best way to insure that when the time comes for the grunt work, you don't have the bodies to accomplish anything.

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Nov 20, 2008
 
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. The most self righteous are more often those who have been around for a while and develope egos to match their arrogance and anger. Much like you Tom. How dare you judge anyone else. As for Barney Frank, yes that is rather pointless and you are absolutely correct that change needs to start on a local level. But talking down to someone who wants to make a differnce is the best way to insure that when the time comes for the grunt work, you don't have the bodies to accomplish anything.
Couldn't find another pissing contest huh?

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