Sinking Wind Turbine is Troubling

Sinking Wind Turbine is Troubling

There are 40 comments on the Charlestown Patriot-Bridge story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Sinking Wind Turbine is Troubling. In it, Charlestown Patriot-Bridge reports that:

The Massachusetts Water Resource Authority's new wind turbine in Charlestown has apparently sunk about 2 inches causing significant worry that the structural integrity of the 426,000 pound turbine is at risk.

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Everett

Everett, MA

#21 Mar 7, 2012
Money
Wasted
Retarted
Agency
MWRA

Durham, NC

#22 Mar 7, 2012
Haha
I made someone mad, and they judged me as spam
Lol
Must be some MWRA 'workers' here.

MWRA = Motionless Windmill Research Association
WRA

Boston, MA

#23 Mar 7, 2012
Massachusetts
We
Ride
Around

(oldie but goodie)
D Riz

Milford, MA

#24 Nov 2, 2012
The wind power generator in Everett is the best possible improvement to the infrastructure since the invention of alternating current. They are going to build a lot more of them, so get used to it. Germany just passed 50% renewable energy, Massachusetts has 1% and our guys are getting slaughtered every day in the oil war. Do the math. Don't like the look of it, paint it red, white and blue. Better yet mirror blue so it disappears entirely.
Rug Doctor

Malden, MA

#25 Nov 2, 2012
D Riz wrote:
The wind power generator in Everett is the best possible improvement to the infrastructure since the invention of alternating current. They are going to build a lot more of them, so get used to it. Germany just passed 50% renewable energy, Massachusetts has 1% and our guys are getting slaughtered every day in the oil war. Do the math. Don't like the look of it, paint it red, white and blue. Better yet mirror blue so it disappears entirely.
When Bloom Energy makes their system for households that will be the best invention since AC.....not that ungawdly eyesore!!
MWRA

Boston, MA

#26 Nov 2, 2012
Monumental
Windmill
Rapes
All

Monstrous
Water
Rates
Again
MWRA

Boston, MA

#27 Nov 2, 2012
D Riz wrote:
The wind power generator in Everett is the best possible improvement to the infrastructure since the invention of alternating current. They are going to build a lot more of them, so get used to it. Germany just passed 50% renewable energy, Massachusetts has 1% and our guys are getting slaughtered every day in the oil war. Do the math. Don't like the look of it, paint it red, white and blue. Better yet mirror blue so it disappears entirely.
Does the turbine factory operate on pixie dust?
or does producing & installing turbines require electricity to be consumed?

How about generating and transporting the materials that the turbine are made out of?
Does any of that require fossil fuels and electricity?

So the day the turbine is installed,
how much electricity & fossil fuels does it "owe"?

How much electricity does it have to produce to overcome the deficit of energy created by its manufacture?

How many years does it have to function before it is finally on the upside of electrical production?

How many service and maintenance hours will go into keeping it running before it finally overcomes its own cost of manufacture, in this case 5 million dollars.

Will this thing be worn out before it can finally produce 5 million dollars worth of electricity.

FAIL!
MWRA

Boston, MA

#28 Nov 2, 2012
Wind turbines = overpriced feel good green propaganda

Without taxpayer subsidies they are lose/lose,
they cost more than they could ever produce.

With subsidies,
the vast majority of the government/taxpayer money goes DIRECTLY TO CHINA where they are built.

= another money losing do gooder liability to the tiny percentage of Americans that actually work for a living.

FAIL!
D Riz

Brighton, MA

#29 Nov 3, 2012
Everything takes making, and that includes gas fired power plants, coal fired plants and nuclear reactors. All the above are resource intensive to manufacture and expensive to transport, construct and maintain. At best, any electric power supply design has a final efficiency of 6% according to the laws of thermodynamics. There is a limited supply of natural gas, coal and radioactive minerals. The extraction, transportation, refinement, greenhouse gas emissions and waste storage of these resources causes permanent environmental damage and threatens the health of ourselves, our children and the biosphere in general. This does not fit into any model of efficiency. Nor does killing tens of thousands of our fellow human beings overseas in order to maintain the hegemony of oil executives and their minions in government. Other industrial powers have already made the move to renewable energy. We had better do the same in order to remain competitive, and protect ourselves from dependency on the East.
soooo

Boston, MA

#30 Nov 3, 2012
So,
we should waste our money on pie in the sky,
nonproducing windmills,
because it makes us all feel so good as we plunge ourselves into darkness?

Co-gen natural gas plants are extremely efficient at producing electricity,
and the one in Everett can exceed the lifetime output of one of those 5 million dollar turbines in a matter of hours.

So keep on hoping windmills are the answer,
if we spend a few hundred billion on wind turbines,
and all cut our electricity consumption down to 5% what it currently is,
we would still fail miserably relying on wind power to sustain us.

Wind is a diversion at best.
At worst, it sends billions more $$ to China
in exchange for a feeling like we are saving the world,
when we aren't.
D Riz

Brighton, MA

#31 Nov 4, 2012
The latest generation gas turbine high efficiency plants, like the one in Sweden, have a thermal rating of approximately 11,590 Btu per KWh, or 3,412 Btu. That works out to 29.4%. Older designs, like Everett station, in practical terms half that figure: at the plants output 17% thermal. Add transmission loss from a central location and the final yield drops below 10%. That is before taking into account extraction, storage, transportation and greenhouse emission byproducts from natural gas. Those factors bring the final tally well into negative numbers and continue the exponential cycle of environmental degradation. Other than the gearbox and friction through the air of the prop blades, the wind station has a negligible thermal footprint. The current net output of renewable generation is much lower than heavy central stations. But a decentralized, high tech grid with renewable generation as a significant component is the wave of the future.
Bill Carson

Mattapoisett, MA

#32 Nov 4, 2012
Many commercial wind turbines built in 2008 and forward have had or are having catastrophic gear box failures. All within three years!

Wind turbines in Portsmouth ,Rhode Island ,Princeton,Massachusetts ,Otis Air Force Base and many other locations around the county have had major gear box failures. The major costs include a new gear box,a special crane ($100,000) and down time of the turbine.

Customers who include local cities and towns were sold these turbines as if they would last twenty years. Communities were never told the operation and maintenance costs and someone to service the turbines needs 24/7.

The current theory is that all the JaKe gear box 1290 series made at that time had the wrong main bearings installed.

Note #
JaKe - Jahnel-Kestermann Getriebewerke GmbH
unpossible

Boston, MA

#33 Nov 4, 2012
Bill Carson wrote:
Many commercial wind turbines built in 2008 and forward have had or are having catastrophic gear box failures. All within three years!
Wind turbines in Portsmouth ,Rhode Island ,Princeton,Massachusetts ,Otis Air Force Base and many other locations around the county have had major gear box failures. The major costs include a new gear box,a special crane ($100,000) and down time of the turbine.
Customers who include local cities and towns were sold these turbines as if they would last twenty years. Communities were never told the operation and maintenance costs and someone to service the turbines needs 24/7.
The current theory is that all the JaKe gear box 1290 series made at that time had the wrong main bearings installed.
Note #
JaKe - Jahnel-Kestermann Getriebewerke GmbH
Unpossible
Wind turbines are gonna save us all.

SAVE US ALL!!!! I say!
:-)

“Did you say something?”

Since: Jul 12

San Diego, CA.

#34 Nov 5, 2012
They will crash and burn.
D Riz

Bronx, NY

#35 Nov 22, 2012
All gears, bearings and moving parts wear out, including the ones in old power plants, so the gearbox argument is nonsensical. The only question is what force motivates the gears. We must acknowledge the obvious fact that 1 newton of force does exactly the same amount of work whether it comes from a renewable source or a dirty, non renewable.
scale scale scale

North Brookfield, MA

#36 Nov 22, 2012
D Riz wrote:
All gears, bearings and moving parts wear out, including the ones in old power plants, so the gearbox argument is nonsensical. The only question is what force motivates the gears. We must acknowledge the obvious fact that 1 newton of force does exactly the same amount of work whether it comes from a renewable source or a dirty, non renewable.
Your seemingly intelligent post completely ignores scale.

Those "old power plants" out power wind turbines tens of thousands of times over.
The production cost per kilowatt for an old power plant vs a wind turbine is also thousands of times cheaper.

In a windturbines lifetime,
even considering its power source is free,
its much cheaper to just purchase already available cheap power,
than to use that same power to produce a maintenance hog of a wind turbine that won't even run long enough to justify its own existence.

Without government support (= tax money from you & I)
Turbines make zero sense,
no mater how you try to twist their renewable aspect.

Producing them & maintaining them uses more energy than they can possibly produce in their usable life expectancy
= Net loss.
Everett

Everett, MA

#37 Nov 23, 2012
Money
Wasted
Retarded
Administration
Lucas

Medford, MA

#38 Nov 23, 2012
Nice Money that could be used to do better things 5 mil for some thing that only makes 300.000 dollars a year the brake even is 16 years and they only have a life spand of 15 years nice to see all these a** hole in DC putting are money to good use
greenies

Boston, MA

#39 Nov 23, 2012
Lucas wrote:
Nice Money that could be used to do better things 5 mil for some thing that only makes 300.000 dollars a year the brake even is 16 years and they only have a life spand of 15 years nice to see all these a** hole in DC putting are money to good use
EXACTLY!

It's hard for some to see the truth through Green colored lenses!

Since: Nov 12

Chelsea, MA

#40 Nov 24, 2012
Everett resident wrote:
The famous MWRA folks with their 'fancy pinwheel'... yep !!!!! Anyone see any savings yet ??? No ??? I didn't think so. Just wait til you get your water & sewer bill in a few weeks....
how many water bills did you get this years? I will have paid 5 bills by 12/13/12? My bills more than double from last year!

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