The new thread On Lincoln Ave Baptist...
true story

United States

#183 Sep 20, 2010
trust, it's very tue. And yes, more is said in regards to the father being that way, but it still happened. I wasn't saying the church was @ fault, only stating the fact that this man is a member of that church. And it goes much deeper than that. But all people hear is the one side. It's a sad situation, but it is very true.
ConcernedChristi an

Newport, TN

#185 Oct 21, 2010
sad wrote:
He didnt set his salary, the church did! the only reason that anyone cares now is because the church is having financial trouble due to their overall overspending. I am a member of the church & remember 15 years ago when some of the same members that are now against the preacher ran off a youth director they didnt like.... they ran off members then too. It is really sad that this could happen in a house of GOD. In my opinion, they are not handling their issues like adults at all. At this point it doesnt look like anything will satisfy them except the preachers head... If I were that dissatisfied with the church I would just find myself a church where I was happy... not ruin it for everyone else. Grow up
If he is the reason its a great church then thats not the kind of church you should want. You should want a church in which God has builded and made great.
ConcernedChristi an

Newport, TN

#186 Oct 21, 2010
I have a suggestion for some of you. Read II Cor chapters 12 and 13, with emphasis on chapter 13
English Teacher

United States

#187 Oct 21, 2010
ConcernedChristian wrote:
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If he is the reason its a great church then thats not the kind of church you should want. You should want a church in which God has builded and made great.
How does God builded??

Since: Oct 10

Hughesville, MD

#188 Oct 21, 2010
Veritas wrote:
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One thing you have to understand is that a Pastor needs to teach God's word from the pulpit. However, some use the pulpit to call people out. When this is the case then turn about is fair play. Do I think the Pastor needs to be interrupted during a sermon; I say a resounding "no". However, when a Pastor is approached about an issue that is unbiblical and the Pastor perceives as an attack instead of an act of love, then the issue is with him. Is it right for the Pastor to tell this person that they should leave? Is it his place to practice church discipline in such manner with out going before the church? Is it right to refuse to meet with those who do disagree? Should a pastor solely control the decisions of the church? I think the issue here is one sided. Most see a pastor and automatically believe that he is the final authority which in not true. The Bible is the final authority. When a pastor focuses on building his kingdom and not God's kingdom then that person is not under the authority of God but operating above it. I think both sides have issues in this case. The bottom line is this; this church is very selfish and has lost sight of their first love. When a person is focused on God, there is no room for selfishness. One side wants it their way and the other side the same. In addition, the pastor and deacons want it their. How about letting God have His way.
Eventually, the glory of God will depart and what influence will the church have. During this whole ordeal, lives have been torn apart. The lost has not been reached. Widows have not been provided for. All that has been accomplish is a ungodly controversy that both sides need to repent and reconcile with one another.
Going back to the interruption of the Pastor; If a pastor refuses to meet with those who have the issue, then Biblically they have the right to go before the church. If the pastor doesn't give them a chance to explain their issue, then the only way to get it heard is by interruption. The Bible is clear on how to approach an issue with another brother or sister in Christ. One goes, then two, then a few more, and before long, you bring them before the body. The problem is you have congregational lead bodies who have lost people and godly people making decision for the church and then you had a pastor who feels that only he is equip to make the decisions, then you know why this mess is happening. I know both parties have good intentions and I know it is killing both sides to go through this hell but this mess has to stop and if it is by removing the pastor, so be it. Ministry is not being accomplished. Sermon have been focused on who right and who wrong, with a few misinterpretation in oder to defend his stance. That has to stop. GOD IS NOT GLORIFIED AT THIS CHURCH RIGHT NOW!
One last thing. There has been mention of the troublemakers. You need to know that they are on both sides. Not all of the ones that are being accused are trouble makers. Some have been loyal to this church all their life and has never caused trouble. However, if their is absolute sin going on, it needs to be confronted. This church has been known to let people serve in leadership roles that are living in sin. Couples who live together that are not married as been given leadership rolls. Homosexuals have been allowed to lead in different areas. Is that Biblical if the pastor knows this and doesn't do anything about it? This is not just about the issue of the music minister being fired. This has been brewing for a while. It just has taken some time for it to come to fruition.
What can be done. Pray, pray and when you are done, pray some more. We need to be the solution and not the problem and it starts with us flat on our face before our Holy God. Are you willing to do that?
Do you have a problem with gay people trying to serve the Lord?
harrypottymouth

United States

#189 Oct 21, 2010
chrisb07112010 wrote:
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Do you have a problem with gay people trying to serve the Lord?
Of course they do, remember this LABC, god gave them the OK to go ahead and judge people. You know those petty little rules like "Thou shall not judge", they don't apply to the LABC.

Since: Oct 10

Falls Church, VA

#190 Oct 21, 2010
harrypottymouth wrote:
<quoted text>Of course they do, remember this LABC, god gave them the OK to go ahead and judge people. You know those petty little rules like "Thou shall not judge", they don't apply to the LABC.
Well I asked because I am gay and I have went to that church before and felt very welcome there, but I was not in a leadership position. And pastor Craig was very nice to me. I just didn't know that any gay people were in leadership positions there. I attended church there from December of 09 up until the early summer. I really liked it there and am sorry all this stuff has been happening that has been and hope people will stop bickering and just move on with life. I have attented several churches in the area and never felt welcome at any except LABC. I have since moved out of state, but if I move back to the area I may go back there if Craig is still the pastor. He's a good man and I always felt God's presence there when I went and always got what I needed to hear from God.
You bet

Monterey, TN

#191 Oct 22, 2010
harrypottymouth wrote:
<quoted text>Of course they do, remember this LABC, god gave them the OK to go ahead and judge people. You know those petty little rules like "Thou shall not judge", they don't apply to the LABC.
we all judge people in our on way!
digga

Morristown, TN

#192 Oct 22, 2010
how old is this dumb thread. cant ya find sumthen else 2 fuss bout
eatmorepossum

Morristown, TN

#193 Oct 22, 2010
digga wrote:
how old is this dumb thread. cant ya find sumthen else 2 fuss bout
nope. this is the hot topic these days. don't like it? too bad
ConcernedChristi an

Newport, TN

#194 Oct 22, 2010
There is no such thing as a gay Christian! You can be a Christian who was once gay, but if you say your saved and living for God as a gay person , then your deceiving yourself,you are lost! You MUST be born again! Jesus loves those who are gay, but hates their sin and wants them to turn away from it. If their is no change, there is no salvation! Its not my judgement, its God's, read the Word!

Since: Oct 10

Hanover, VA

#195 Oct 22, 2010
ConcernedChristian wrote:
There is no such thing as a gay Christian! You can be a Christian who was once gay, but if you say your saved and living for God as a gay person , then your deceiving yourself,you are lost! You MUST be born again! Jesus loves those who are gay, but hates their sin and wants them to turn away from it. If their is no change, there is no salvation! Its not my judgement, its God's, read the Word!
And who are you to be God? You do not know what is in my heart. I think "Christians" need to be educated properly about being gay and Christian. Here's a link please read it:

http://www.christiangays.com/education.shtml
You bet

Monterey, TN

#196 Oct 22, 2010
chrisb07112010 wrote:
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And who are you to be God? You do not know what is in my heart. I think "Christians" need to be educated properly about being gay and Christian. Here's a link please read it:
http://www.christiangays.com/education.shtml
I'm sorry, but the Bible does teach that homosexuality is a sin, and it is an abominatin to God. People are deceiving themselves to believe otherwise. God does love them and will forgive them if they turn from their wicked ways. It is no worse than any other sin though we must all ask forgiveness when we fail to obey God's word.
ConcernedChristi an

Newport, TN

#197 Oct 22, 2010
chrisb07112010 wrote:
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And who are you to be God? You do not know what is in my heart. I think "Christians" need to be educated properly about being gay and Christian. Here's a link please read it:
http://www.christiangays.com/education.shtml
It doesn't matter whats in your heart if its contrary to the Word of God. I'm not God, but I am his messenger. There will not be any homosexuals in heaven and that is throughout the Bible. Your web page does not have the answers, but the Bible does, read it, its the truth. Jesus loves you and wants you to turn from your homosexuality and turn to him. You can't have both, its either Jesus or homosexuality, you'll have to decide, but I hope you will decide to follow Jesus!

Since: Oct 10

Owings Mills, MD

#198 Oct 22, 2010
ConcernedChristian wrote:
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It doesn't matter whats in your heart if its contrary to the Word of God. I'm not God, but I am his messenger. There will not be any homosexuals in heaven and that is throughout the Bible. Your web page does not have the answers, but the Bible does, read it, its the truth. Jesus loves you and wants you to turn from your homosexuality and turn to him. You can't have both, its either Jesus or homosexuality, you'll have to decide, but I hope you will decide to follow Jesus!
I can't have both? Being gay and being Christian isn't something you "have"...it's something you ARE. And I am both. And I was raised in a church right there in Newport and I know the Bible, and I read it and pray every day several times a day, and ya know what, God helps me and my fiance both. We are both Christians. So, I don't know why you can't accept that, but it's the TRUTH. And God didn't say there wouldn't be homosexuals in Heaven. God says the spirit of love has no gender. The only thing keeping you from Heaven, if you read your Bible you would know, it is not accepting Christ as your Saviour. I think you need to read your Bible some more since you are such a concerned Christian. Beside, instead of picking on a fellow Christian, are you not supposed to be united with him/her?
ConcernedChristi an

Newport, TN

#199 Oct 23, 2010
chrisb07112010 wrote:
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I can't have both? Being gay and being Christian isn't something you "have"...it's something you ARE. And I am both. And I was raised in a church right there in Newport and I know the Bible, and I read it and pray every day several times a day, and ya know what, God helps me and my fiance both. We are both Christians. So, I don't know why you can't accept that, but it's the TRUTH. And God didn't say there wouldn't be homosexuals in Heaven. God says the spirit of love has no gender. The only thing keeping you from Heaven, if you read your Bible you would know, it is not accepting Christ as your Saviour. I think you need to read your Bible some more since you are such a concerned Christian. Beside, instead of picking on a fellow Christian, are you not supposed to be united with him/her?
Unity is for the Christians, we are not to unite with an ungodly world and its sins. I truly hope you haven't already been turned over to a reprobate mind, there is still hope if you repent and turn to Jesus. Read all of God's Word and find the truth and try the King James version and not a corrupted homosexual friendly version. If you truly love Jesus, you will turn from homosexuality, and with his help you can. The truth will set you free!
ConcernedChristi an

Newport, TN

#200 Oct 23, 2010
chrisb07112010 wrote:
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I can't have both? Being gay and being Christian isn't something you "have"...it's something you ARE. And I am both. And I was raised in a church right there in Newport and I know the Bible, and I read it and pray every day several times a day, and ya know what, God helps me and my fiance both. We are both Christians. So, I don't know why you can't accept that, but it's the TRUTH. And God didn't say there wouldn't be homosexuals in Heaven. God says the spirit of love has no gender. The only thing keeping you from Heaven, if you read your Bible you would know, it is not accepting Christ as your Saviour. I think you need to read your Bible some more since you are such a concerned Christian. Beside, instead of picking on a fellow Christian, are you not supposed to be united with him/her?
I don't accept it because God don't accept it!!!

Since: Oct 10

Catlett, VA

#201 Oct 23, 2010
ConcernedChristian wrote:
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Unity is for the Christians, we are not to unite with an ungodly world and its sins. I truly hope you haven't already been turned over to a reprobate mind, there is still hope if you repent and turn to Jesus. Read all of God's Word and find the truth and try the King James version and not a corrupted homosexual friendly version. If you truly love Jesus, you will turn from homosexuality, and with his help you can. The truth will set you free!
God said he turned people over to a reprobate mind because "they did not retain God in their knowledge." Does it sound like I don't retain Him in my knowledge? Um, I think I do retain Him in my knowledge seeing as how I read the Bible and pray everyday, got saved at age 13,(and I was gay before age 13) and I go to church, hmm...no I think I DO RETAIN GOD IN MY KNOWLEDGE! Unity is for all your fellow Christians. You are not the judge of what is in their hearts - God is. And God does say you will be judged how you judge others. And it is the King James "version" that I use, however, what is wrong with a translation of it that is easier for some people to understand, such as people with learning disabilites who can't always understand the complicated wording of the KJ version? It's still the Bible.
bilkersteve

Morristown, TN

#202 Oct 24, 2010
i like ole craig and his fam. leave if ya aint happy
just askin

Nashville, TN

#203 Oct 24, 2010
You are all so quick to recite scriptures..whats the bible say about runnin off people from church?!

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