New GI Bill

There are 31 comments on the Hampton Roads Daily Press story from Apr 18, 2008, titled New GI Bill. In it, Hampton Roads Daily Press reports that:

"Virginia is for veterans" might be the commonwealth's new slogan. Virginia's elected representatives are leading the charge to update the GI Bill to meet the higher-education needs of veterans returning from ...

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Richard Harris

Norfolk, VA

#1 Apr 19, 2008
Let's see. Join the military for four years, leave after the government has spent hundreds of thousands to recruit and train you and get free college. What a deal. The liberals love this because we'll never have enough troops to fight another war and the military will become a huge welfare mill for the minorities who can't get into college normally but will if they have free tuition (no state school will turn down anyone with money). How about limiting the benefit only to those who have served in an active war zone and earned it, rather than spent four years sitting in the Air Force/Navy in the war zones of Norfolk and Hawaii.
Delancey Pryor III

Norfolk, VA

#3 Apr 19, 2008
This would be wonderful to those vets like myself who are having troubles paying for school.
wanda

Newport News, VA

#4 Apr 19, 2008
and John McCain, will not support this bill.
John McBush hates our troops.
As do most rethugs.
Richard Harris

Norfolk, VA

#5 Apr 19, 2008
Also the liberals want the education benefits available for the wives and children of servicemen who don't use it. So in addition to free housing, medical, and day care benefits, the dependents get free college. In a divorce, the wife would be awarded the GI bill benefits leaving the serviceman with nothing. A dumb move. Limit it to combat vets and nothing for the dependents who haven't earned it.
wanda

Newport News, VA

#6 Apr 19, 2008
richard, why do you hate the troops? are you saying they are on welfare??
Huh. You neocons are all talk.
Victor in MI

Detroit, MI

#7 Apr 20, 2008
WOW!!! What a short-sighted viewpoint Richard. You truly sound bitter about something. Way to try and spin a positive bill coming out of our government into a post about bashing non-combat veterans and minorities.

Let me start by saying I am a non-combat Marine Corps veteran finishing the last year of my docotorate degree for which I will owe $70,000 in student loans when all is said and done.

There is research to support that approximately 30% of veterans pursue entrepreneurial endeavors after the military. Now, what is a more effective economic stimulus? A veteran trying to start a business with $70,000 in debt or one with $0 in debt. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE!!!

Now, you can spew from the mouth all the garbage you want about a better GI Bill hurting military retention, but back that claim up!!! It's all hypothetical.

The increase from the new GI Bill would not be significant enough to lure servicemembers away from the barracks and into the dorms. It would simply enable college bound veterans to better succeed in a college atmosphere; not having to pick up a full-time job to pay for room and board so they can focus on their studies.

Believe me, I know.

Why don't you open up your eyes and stop being such a racist! It wouldn't be a "mill" as you so eloquently put to churn out minorities who wouldn't get in to college. Those who are smart enough to succeed in college will find their way there, and those who are not smart enough will pursue other avenues.

THIS BILL WOULD ENABLE THE MEMBERS WHO ORIGINALLY JOIN FOR THE GI BILL TO ACTUALLY SUCCEED, AND IN THE PROCESS POTENTIALLY PAD THE RANKS WITH FRESH ENLISTEES YOU SHORT-SIGHTED FOOL!!!
Soldier

Newport News, VA

#8 Apr 24, 2008
who="Richard Harris"]Let's see. Join the military for four years, leave after the government has spent hundreds of thousands to recruit and train you and get free college... I am a soldier and I can see your point. But it takes a force of all four services to protect this country. Limiting the benefits would be fine except no one wants to serve their coutry anymore for free. This seems to be quite evident as you made no comment as to being a soldier. Volunteer and serve your country without benefits if you feel so strongly. Tell them you don't want the college benifits. This country needs all of its services to remain the land of the free. So unless you and a million more are willing to sign up and serve your country without these so call un warrented benefits then it might be benificial if you considered the big picture before making comments as many of you have.
Soldier

Newport News, VA

#9 Apr 24, 2008
Oh well
Three Soldiers Dad

United States

#10 Apr 29, 2008
Richard Harris, I take it that you are upset, because you either a Chicken Hawk who has never joined the military, or you could also have been in during the years of no GI Bill. But either way you must really hate our troops to make such statements. Yes us Liberals love the GI Bill and we also Love our soldiers. I am sad that we can not say the same for you. BTW I used the GI Bill and retired from a great job and with what I got with my GI Bill I was able to keep from being bored to death by taking a second career. Maybe you are jealous of those of us who can do.
Three Soldiers Dad

United States

#11 Apr 29, 2008
Richard you should thank your luck stars that you are allowed to make comments like that. In order to make such outlandish comments, is because of the soldiers not because of anything else. A honorable soldier ALWAYS deserves to go to the front of the line. Mainly because the put theirs on the line for peole like you. We should consider ourselves lucky that there are Senators like Webb, Warner and Hagel who care about the troops.
A Clear View

Virginia Beach, VA

#12 Apr 30, 2008
Richard Harris wrote:
Also the liberals want the education benefits available for the wives and children of servicemen who don't use it. So in addition to free housing, medical, and day care benefits, the dependents get free college. In a divorce, the wife would be awarded the GI bill benefits leaving the serviceman with nothing. A dumb move. Limit it to combat vets and nothing for the dependents who haven't earned it.
Listen up DICK!

Go to this site and sign up. http://www.goarmy.com/flindex.jsp #

You need to either join up and spend a little time digging sand out of your crack or shut up and craw back into the idiot hole you came out of.

I served in the Military for 26 years and am 60% disablied now, and I have voted for both parties. I know conservatives and liberals who have served next to me and I call them all my brother.

Your kind is what ails our Nation the most.
AF Vet

Newport News, VA

#13 Apr 30, 2008
Victor, getting your doctorate was your own choice. Your decision: your money. This will be a drain on the military. Many people will get out and go to school. My other concern is that why would this also go to a spouse or children? They did nothing to earn it. The combat zone idea is a good one.
Victor in MI wrote:
WOW!!! What a short-sighted viewpoint Richard. You truly sound bitter about something. Way to try and spin a positive bill coming out of our government into a post about bashing non-combat veterans and minorities.
Let me start by saying I am a non-combat Marine Corps veteran finishing the last year of my docotorate degree for which I will owe $70,000 in student loans when all is said and done.
There is research to support that approximately 30% of veterans pursue entrepreneurial endeavors after the military. Now, what is a more effective economic stimulus? A veteran trying to start a business with $70,000 in debt or one with $0 in debt. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE!!!
Now, you can spew from the mouth all the garbage you want about a better GI Bill hurting military retention, but back that claim up!!! It's all hypothetical.
The increase from the new GI Bill would not be significant enough to lure servicemembers away from the barracks and into the dorms. It would simply enable college bound veterans to better succeed in a college atmosphere; not having to pick up a full-time job to pay for room and board so they can focus on their studies.
Believe me, I know.
Why don't you open up your eyes and stop being such a racist! It wouldn't be a "mill" as you so eloquently put to churn out minorities who wouldn't get in to college. Those who are smart enough to succeed in college will find their way there, and those who are not smart enough will pursue other avenues.
THIS BILL WOULD ENABLE THE MEMBERS WHO ORIGINALLY JOIN FOR THE GI BILL TO ACTUALLY SUCCEED, AND IN THE PROCESS POTENTIALLY PAD THE RANKS WITH FRESH ENLISTEES YOU SHORT-SIGHTED FOOL!!!
Mom

Williamsburg, VA

#14 Apr 30, 2008
Richard Harris wrote:
Also the liberals want the education benefits available for the wives and children of servicemen who don't use it. So in addition to free housing, medical, and day care benefits, the dependents get free college. In a divorce, the wife would be awarded the GI bill benefits leaving the serviceman with nothing. A dumb move. Limit it to combat vets and nothing for the dependents who haven't earned it.
When was the last time you you raised your right hand and swore to defend this country before God?

The current GI Bill only benefits vets who can pay cash upfront for they education, and can move back home with Mom and Dad for a place to live. The paltry monthly benefit barely covers any tuition, forget books, or even housing. And, to make it all the more better, if you have a GI Bill, you rarely can qualify for any state or federal grants or loans.

Free medical? Oh, ok, tell the soldier up at Walter Reed that they should shut up because they should count themselves lucky that the nurse may come by once today to give you a Motrin and then curse you for sweating on the bed, or how about the soldier who broke thier arm and sits in the Troop clinic for 24 hours with no food, no medical care and no pain reliver, and then to be told that the xray tech won't be back for another 8 hours. Our welfare recepients getting superior care than our service members!

Free housing? Where? Oh, you mean the rat infested ghettos that our service members are forced to live in because they make less than the poverty level. Or, how about the lead pipes that their water comes from in their old WWII houses and barracks.

Free day care, where? Last time I checked, on post day care cost more than civilian care, even on that so called sliding scale. Oh, yeah, and if your commander makes you stay late, three times and your spouse is deployed or working that other job, that daycare is the first to call social services to have your child taken from you. Six months to a year to get your child back. That's free alright!

I'd just LOVE to know where some civicians get the lame, ignorrant idea that our service members are rolling in the dough with all this great free stuff! Free, yeah right!
Army Man

Newport News, VA

#15 Apr 30, 2008
You must be stuck in the 1960s. Come out to Fort Eustis and ask for a tour of the barracks and family housing. It's very nice. The day care has extended hours - and hey, the Army didn't issue you children. The mission has to come first. Do you think the enemy will stop fighting at 5:00 so everyone can go to the daycare center? The medical care is at least as good as the civilian world. Last year 80,000 people died in the US from doctors' mistakes.
Everyone in the military is a volunteer. if you don't like it then don't re-enlist.
Mom wrote:
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When was the last time you you raised your right hand and swore to defend this country before God?
The current GI Bill only benefits vets who can pay cash upfront for they education, and can move back home with Mom and Dad for a place to live. The paltry monthly benefit barely covers any tuition, forget books, or even housing. And, to make it all the more better, if you have a GI Bill, you rarely can qualify for any state or federal grants or loans.
Free medical? Oh, ok, tell the soldier up at Walter Reed that they should shut up because they should count themselves lucky that the nurse may come by once today to give you a Motrin and then curse you for sweating on the bed, or how about the soldier who broke thier arm and sits in the Troop clinic for 24 hours with no food, no medical care and no pain reliver, and then to be told that the xray tech won't be back for another 8 hours. Our welfare recepients getting superior care than our service members!
Free housing? Where? Oh, you mean the rat infested ghettos that our service members are forced to live in because they make less than the poverty level. Or, how about the lead pipes that their water comes from in their old WWII houses and barracks.
Free day care, where? Last time I checked, on post day care cost more than civilian care, even on that so called sliding scale. Oh, yeah, and if your commander makes you stay late, three times and your spouse is deployed or working that other job, that daycare is the first to call social services to have your child taken from you. Six months to a year to get your child back. That's free alright!
I'd just LOVE to know where some civicians get the lame, ignorrant idea that our service members are rolling in the dough with all this great free stuff! Free, yeah right!
axt113

Cleveland, OH

#16 May 12, 2008
Face it the GOP hates our troops, thye want to make civilian life so bad for them that they are forced to stay in the military until they are killed by an insurgent thereby making sure they gain no benefits

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#17 May 12, 2008
Richard Harris wrote:
Let's see. Join the military for four years, leave after the government has spent hundreds of thousands to recruit and train you and get free college. What a deal. The liberals love this because we'll never have enough troops to fight another war and the military will become a huge welfare mill for the minorities who can't get into college normally but will if they have free tuition (no state school will turn down anyone with money). How about limiting the benefit only to those who have served in an active war zone and earned it, rather than spent four years sitting in the Air Force/Navy in the war zones of Norfolk and Hawaii.
That is the most moronic statement I have heard in days.

Like your freedom RH? Effeminate coward!

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#18 May 12, 2008
axt113 wrote:
Face it the GOP hates our troops, thye want to make civilian life so bad for them that they are forced to stay in the military until they are killed by an insurgent thereby making sure they gain no benefits
Another moron speaking about our Troops and military. Like your freedom here?
Want mass chaos in the streets?
Want someone raping and killing with no remorse?
Coming from a military family, I would never take our freedoms for granted. Blood,sweat and many tears go with freedom.
Smithfield Bill

Lewisport, KY

#19 May 13, 2008
I have some questions for all you folks out there who hate our military:
Why? Don't you enjoy the freedom they have provided you? Where were you when you child was born or took thier first steps? Where were those men and women that DEFEND your freedom to be there, when thier's were born or first walk?
If they are anything like me, forward deployed defending YOUR freedoms, knowing full well it may cost me MY life and the lives of my fellow Sailor, Solders, Marine, Airman, or Coast Guardsman. You should be thankful that there are some in this country who love it enough to willingly go into harm's way to provide the security she needs.

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#20 May 13, 2008
Victor in MI wrote:
WOW!!! What a short-sighted viewpoint Richard. You truly sound bitter about something. Way to try and spin a positive bill coming out of our government into a post about bashing non-combat veterans and minorities.
Let me start by saying I am a non-combat Marine Corps veteran finishing the last year of my docotorate degree for which I will owe $70,000 in student loans when all is said and done.
There is research to support that approximately 30% of veterans pursue entrepreneurial endeavors after the military. Now, what is a more effective economic stimulus? A veteran trying to start a business with $70,000 in debt or one with $0 in debt. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE!!!
Now, you can spew from the mouth all the garbage you want about a better GI Bill hurting military retention, but back that claim up!!! It's all hypothetical.
The increase from the new GI Bill would not be significant enough to lure servicemembers away from the barracks and into the dorms. It would simply enable college bound veterans to better succeed in a college atmosphere; not having to pick up a full-time job to pay for room and board so they can focus on their studies.
Believe me, I know.
Why don't you open up your eyes and stop being such a racist! It wouldn't be a "mill" as you so eloquently put to churn out minorities who wouldn't get in to college. Those who are smart enough to succeed in college will find their way there, and those who are not smart enough will pursue other avenues.
THIS BILL WOULD ENABLE THE MEMBERS WHO ORIGINALLY JOIN FOR THE GI BILL TO ACTUALLY SUCCEED, AND IN THE PROCESS POTENTIALLY PAD THE RANKS WITH FRESH ENLISTEES YOU SHORT-SIGHTED FOOL!!!
Well said.

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#21 May 13, 2008
AF Vet wrote:
Victor, getting your doctorate was your own choice. Your decision: your money. This will be a drain on the military. Many people will get out and go to school. My other concern is that why would this also go to a spouse or children? They did nothing to earn it. The combat zone idea is a good one.
<quoted text>
Coming from as USAF Career Dad, I will add this to your confusion afvet: Mom and Kids are part of the USAF. We go where Dad went, in part. We did our 30 years too.

If the Goverment can clean up welfare, those who should be OUT working, maybe our Military and families can reap a benefit.

You do not sound so pro USAF to me.

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