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Keith Walker
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Interesting label. Protestors? No, we weren't protesting anything. I traveled from San Antonio, Texas to share with the residents of Newport Beach what Mormons will not reveal. We peacefully passed out a paper describing the differences between Mormonism and Christianity.
If I am a protestor, then what would you call the three men who attempted to steal my papers, punched me, threw me to the ground and continued to pummel me all because I was passing out information that details Mormon doctrine? What do you call the Mormon "security" who tried to let the men go without calling the police?
Something isn't right when Mormons can claim that they are persecuted when Christians try to show the distinctions between our two belief systems. It gets worse when they can physically attack someone who is peacefully excercising freedom of religion and then label that person as a protestor. This reminds me of what is going on in the world over silly Muslim cartoons.
Keith@evidenceministries.org
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Russ
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Keith, why is it you feel it necessary to "illustrate" the differences between your version of Christianity and the version adhered to by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints at the opening of a temple? I'm curious as to who threw you to the ground and punched you repeatedly, did you press charges? Or, were you just looking to fuffill your own need to feel persecuted? I always find it interesting the lengths so called evangelical christians will go to make themselves feel superior. Since your gospel lacks a true foundation, you use your scare tactics, lies and distortions, to intimidate others, all the while proclaiming only your man-made version of the gospel is the truth.
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Charles
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"Have a nice day," yelled one demonstrator. "It's going to cost you your soul."
Yeah, just handing out a piece of paper...
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Shawn
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Evangelical ministers are some of the most decietful nasty hostile people in the world.
At the very least The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is an established religion that stands for something [good].
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Sarah
AOL
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The law of this land upholds the right of every citizen to worship as they see fit. Please allow the Mormons to worship as they see fit. It is not for other Christians to carry on outside of the Mormons' places of worship. Would you like it if Mormons surrounded your place of worship and yelled at you? Come on Christian people, Christ preached the Golden Rule. If Mormonism is wrong it will all be worked out in the eternities. Have faith that God is in charge of this world.
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Old Missionary
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The three who assulted you: Criminal.
You: A protestor. Which is legal. Protestors promote a message (usually there own agenda but not always) contrary to what is locally excepted.
On being curious: I admit to being a long time practicing Mormon. I also have advanced college education in religion - not the LDS Institute or BYU experience. In all my years, I have never really found out what a Christian is. Certainly, and all my neighbors profess to believe in Christ. We pray and do all our acts in the name of Christ. I am convinced that the early Christian fathers would not recognize mainstream Christianity, but then they would not recognize early Christian doctors. I would be interested in some enumeration of what it is to be Christian, so that I could see where it is that I am lacking.
Best.
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Old Missionary
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Obiously, for all my learning, I still can't spell accepted right (excepted). Oh well.
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Shawn
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Old Missionary, you are very wise. I think we both know what it really takes to be a Christian... Membership in Christ's only true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Making the distinction that not everyone else is wrong, only lacking the fullness of the Gospel.
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The Sermonator
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Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Does this apply to an angel namend Moroni?
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Chick from San Diego
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Hey Everyone seeking to find peace regarding the religious differences in this world... let's step back for a second. Practice what you believe to be right and leave everyone else alone about their views. Seeking understanding is one thing, but seeking to "straighten out" other religionists is not following Christ's example of patience and leadership. Sharing views with a listening ear is the only way to find understanding. If your mouth is open and your ears are shut, you are wasting effort and surely not leading anyone, including yourself, towards a more Godly world. Follow Christ's example and live what you want others to learn about your religion. Actions impact eternity while words are quieted with time.
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Chick from San Diego
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Keith- You and all who are involved in your "evidence ministries" should consider ways to follow Christ's example and actually build up your own faith & beliefs rather than try and stop others. Ministry is the profession and services of a religious minister. True God based religion is founded on Faith not evidence. Faith is a belief in things hoped for and evidences unseen. So while what you are investing your time into may seem like a God driven purpose, the actions you are taking are rather contrary to lovingly leading, professing and serving others. That seems rather contrary to the word "ministry" in itself doesn't it? I am open to hear your comments.
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David
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Since Moroni brought "another witness for Christ" and Christ himself started the restoration with Joseph's first vision Galatians 1:8 must be seen as supporting the restored gospel and not that given us by Catholic counsels and Prostestant conventions where doctrine is decided by campaign and compromise.
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dave
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Shawn wrote: Old Missionary, you are very wise. I think we both know what it really takes to be a Christian... Membership in Christ's only true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Making the distinction that not everyone else is wrong, only lacking the fullness of the Gospel. shawn...i have a friendly question. Which Mormon group is the "Restored Church"? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS)(Independence, Missouri, USA) now renamed to the Community of Christ, under president W. Grant McMurray? thanks.
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Timothy
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The Sermonator wrote: Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Does this apply to an angel namend Moroni? Not if he taught the same gospel as "that which [the ancient apostles] preached." I've always been amazed how easily people will take little snipets from the Bible and apply them piecemeal without any context or connection. The argument is always in the interpretation of the words, not the words themselves. Otherwise, we'd all be one church vs. the atheists. That is the very reason why Bible-bashing between Christians never goes anywhere. You'd think in the 1400+ years that's we've had the Bible, we might have learned that already. But my bet is that 2000 yrs from now, there will still be the same tired blowhards with the same uninsightful, dimwitted responses piping in at every every religious discussion.
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dave
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Timothy wrote: <quoted text>
Not if he taught the same gospel as "that which [the ancient apostles] preached." I've always been amazed how easily people will take little snipets from the Bible and apply them piecemeal without any context or connection. The argument is always in the interpretation of the words, not the words themselves. Otherwise, we'd all be one church vs. the atheists. That is the very reason why Bible-bashing between Christians never goes anywhere. You'd think in the 1400+ years that's we've had the Bible, we might have learned that already. But my bet is that 2000 yrs from now, there will still be the same tired blowhards with the same uninsightful, dimwitted responses piping in at every every religious discussion. so what should people be doing to differentiate faith?
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Timothy
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dave wrote: <quoted text>
so what should people be doing to differentiate faith? Please tell me that I'm not the only one who sees the irony of that statement. And people wonder why Christianity is so divisive.
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dave
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irony? not so sure about that...
i didn't realize civil biblical discussions were bible bashing? am i not allowed to ask a fellow from another denomination what the basis for their beliefs are?
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Joe Mormon
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Charles wrote: "Have a nice day," yelled one demonstrator. "It's going to cost you your soul."
Yeah, just handing out a piece of paper... Really thats all you were doing handing out pieces of paper? Did the paper have a message? Was that message written in an argumentative format? Did it contain mis-truths? Were you there to support the people that were going to the temple that day? Have you truely answered these questions? because if not the person who tried to condem you may have been right?
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Chick from San Diego
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Regarding the discussion between Timothy and Dave....
First Dave, your first question "Which Mormon group is the "Restored Church"? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS)(Independence, Missouri, USA) now renamed to the Community of Christ, under president W. Grant McMurray?", is a very valid question. The true restored church of Jesus Christ is the church that follows His teachings. They serve as Jesus did of old- in an unpaid ministry. It is founded on service- where humbly offering what they have to uplift others is the common action that ties the members together with the followers of Jesus Christ of old. It is lead by men called by God- through prayer with Heavenly Father's consent and heartfelt seeking rather than a voting or ballot system based on the opinions of men. Most importantly it is lead by the same authority as it was when the gospel was here on the earth at the time of Jesus Christ... the priesthood of God. Jesus Christ Himself was given the authority to perform miracles, raise the dead, offer blessings, and do all that He did because of the authority that God gave Him, the priesthood, as well as His divine calling as the Savior of the world. The priesthood was then the power to act in the name of God and is now still the same priesthood. The true gospel (which literally means "good news")of Christ dedicates all of it's facilities to sharing the power and love of Christ with the world. The true church of Jesus Christ has temples of the Lord for sacred work dedicated to leading everyone who has ever lived towards Jesus Christ's redeeming love, just as the temples of old. So to answer your question... the fully restored church of Jesus Christ is the church that does these things and more to share the true good news of who Jesus Christ is and how He has the power still to lift, heal and bring redeeming grace to all who seek Him. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints is just that. It is the exact same gospel that Jesus Christ lived and taught and over 2000 years ago. We are blessed to have the truth on the earth once again. I know with all my soul that it is the true and FULL gospel. Through researching it's teachings, reading the Book of Mormon, prayerfully asking for a witness of it's truthfulness, and then listening to the feelings of your heart... everyone in the entire world can know for themselves. No prophet, priest, minister, or any other leader, other than God Himself through the Holy Spirit, can tell your heart the answer. God will answer your question if you ask. He did it for me and I feel so grateful for it.
Now for you Timothy, I feel your frustration. The irony in the question "so what should people be doing to differentiate faith" surely was not to discount the question. Rather the irony lies in the operative word...DOING. It seems so obvious that if people want to know where to find truth it would be in the actions of those in whom they are questioning. Rather than looking for half sentanced quotes twisted and pieced together trying to prove doctrines untrue. "By their fruits ye shall know them" is right. Hopefully we are all acting in a way that will help to guide those seeking for the truth to find it. Thank goodness for repentance huh? I feel ya and I appreciate what you wrote.
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Chick from San Diego
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Sorry about the novel ya'll. I get a little carried away with this topic because it is so close to my heart. I will be quiet for awhile, I promise. heee heee heee!
Peace!
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