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Skeptic

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blind n-1 eye wrote:
Kris was on the budget committee and now it says he's the budget chair but it also says he's his own laison on the budget committee unless the information is incorrect!
The budget committee is the only one where the liaison and chair are always the same person, that being the treasurer.
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Skeptic wrote:
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The budget committee is the only one where the liaison and chair are always the same person, that being the treasurer.
Hey skeptic, thanks for the heads up on the info. My wife found the folder with the bylaws etc., for me and I was going to sit down this evening and re-read the info on committee's and positions, to see if this was being done the way it should be. I'd probably drift off to sleep trying to read through anything this evening, since my wife and daughters outdid themselves with Thanksgiving dinner again this year.
I think I'll wait until tomorrow when all of the food settles and I feel like I can move once again, to read through those documents!
Hope you and yours have a great Thanksgiving evening.
Little Foot

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Greetings, to the person who keeps "judging" my comment with an "X", yes, my daughter will be running in next years POA election. I pay the bills, she is over 18 and a member of my household. If you don't like the by-laws, speak out and have them changed.
Little Foot

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Let's see, why would my daughter be any different from the other candidates who never come to meetings and all of a sudden feel the need to be on the Board? They haven't a clue.

Since: Nov 12

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jerker wrote:
We need to start a movement to amend the "Bylaws"to only allow HOMEOWNERS to serve on the BOD.
Jerker, I periodically check out this forum and when I saw your post, I wanted to support and respond to your post.
I supported the lady who was running for the board and at the election, I remember she talked about this issue and the fact that we needed to ammend this particular bylaw.
I looked it up and was shocked that it said someone 18 and up who RESIDED in a unit in summergrove, could run for the board. I did not like this at all. Neither the age nor the fact that they didn't have to be a homeowner.
We don't need a student as this board has enough issues. This is not school or a training session and we have our fill of folks who "think this will look good on their resume." ENOUGH PEOPLE>
We would have had someone that has been on two executive boards and had also been a two time committee chair.Folks killed that.
Now, since that was something the lady talked about at the election and you have reminded us about this issue, we surely need to move on this. We must have the correct document drawn up with the correct wording and then collect signatures. It took the board
extending, extending and extending the time to collect signatures to ammend the other bylaw and we need to think about that.
Perhaps there should be a meeting of homeowners, who are interested in this task. I doubt if we'll get the suppport from the board on this issue, but maybe it would be worth mentioning, maybe not although they read this forum just like everyone else does.
The time is certainly NOW to get going on this issue.
Little Foot

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Look Closely, it was a JOKE. I agree with Jerker. However, to prove a point, maybe someone will allow their over 18 young adult to run for a position. Then, maybe things will get changed. My 20 year old can barely pay for her cell phone, but according to the by-laws, she COULD run and possibly win with a great promise to all residents.
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Little Foot wrote:
Look Closely, it was a JOKE. I agree with Jerker. However, to prove a point, maybe someone will allow their over 18 young adult to run for a position. Then, maybe things will get changed. My 20 year old can barely pay for her cell phone, but according to the by-laws, she COULD run and possibly win with a great promise to all residents.
Little Foot, I'm personally elated to know that this was a 'JOKE'
AND YOU ARE RIGHT, SOMEONE COULD LET THEIR KID RUN FOR THE BOARD.
When Jerker reminded us of what the HAT LADY had already said in her speech at the election, it was certainly a wake up call that all of us needed to be reminded that THIS IS A CRITICAL ISSUE AND WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS LIKE YESTERDAY.
This would certainly be an awful feeling in my stomach, if anyone's kid was to run for this already ass backward's board.
Even though I don't recall who it was that originally brought it to our attention on this forum, that we had someone running for the board that wasn't a homeowner,for some reason it fizzled when A REALTOR SAID HE HAD SOLD HIM THE HOUSE. In one section of our bylaws it says the records and tax bills will prove ownership and in another section is has this awful flip type of bylaw. Regardless who first mentioned it on this forum, I for one, am glad someone had the sense to even investigate the issue and bring it up.
We really need to come together and decide what steps to take and we need to do it soon. We need to figure out the legalities of this and move ahead.
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I am sure that those of you commenting on the topic of a non-homeowner have good intensions or positive motivations. However, without sounding cynical, it goes to show how little people really know about the inner workings of an association like SG. There is so much more than meets the eye. Every homeowner in SG could sign a petition wanting the change but unless the majority of the board is willing to make it happen it won’t. So let’s break it down.
Scot Miller, Cindy Bruce’s friend and personal appointee to the board, does not own the home he resides in. His name is not on the deed. He won’t vote to go forward with it. Richard Dulaney is a self-professed non- homeowner, his wife is on the deed. Remember at the annual meeting he was “personally offended” this issue was even brought up. Oh, go cry in the corner with Phillip Zeluski. Boo!! Did that offend you too? So you are already down two board members and you need at least 4 to agree to do something about it. Then you have “Wild Bill” Eaton. He is still in Cindy’s back pocket. His earpiece is tuned to Cindy’s frequency. So he won’t go for it because it will make the former queen mad. Then Kris Lovell, he too is in Cindy’s back pocket. So no dice there either. That just leaves three board members which aren’t enough to get the ball rolling.

Folks this is why personal agendas are foolish.Personal agendas have no place on the board. You all MUST think long and hard when you cast your vote for a board member. The real movement you should address is the election process itself. Our current system allows a single person to seat a board. That is way too much power.

The other issue that we should be addressing is replacing CMA or at least replacing the property manager with a more effective one. Cindy Bruce made an attempt to secure Darcy’s job prior to leaving. But if you look at most of SG’s problems they all point to CMA and/or the property manager. I would begin to list the issue but they are far too extensive.
Skeptic

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Ima Lawyer wrote:
Our current system allows a single person to seat a board.
Perhaps my brain is fogged from too much turkey, but you'll have to explain to me what you mean by that.
Smokecreen

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I agree with you Ima Lawyer, with no exceptions. My question would be as Skeptic asked; "Our current system allows a single person to seat a board." I don't understand this. Please explain.

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Ima Lawyer wrote:
Our current system allows a single person to seat a board. That is way too much power.
The other issue that we should be addressing is replacing CMA or at least replacing the property manager with a more effective one.
Man this just made me sit down for a minute. For myself, there is no personal agenda, however, I definitely support issues the hat lady addressed in her bio and her speech at election time re taking steps to ammend who can run for the board. I also am glad jerker reminded us we needed to do something about this. I think blind in-i eye, smoke screen, little foot and others support these issue, however you certainly brought it right on down home regarding the reality of this situation. I personally hadn't looked at it this way when you talked about the number of board members who need to be behind this issue. Damn, that was a slap in the face, when we look at those we have that might be for the homeowners since they apparently forget when their little position comes to a close, they have to come right back into realityville.
The hat lady talked about the "quarter of a million dollars" we're paying for management and admin, yet it apparently didn't kick in with folks. I know it kicked my butt, because I never looked at it in those terms. Was I thinking and looking at those figures on a monthly basis? Probably! Somehow it looks different than seeing it by the year! I also
want management changed. I don't want the landscape company because when the lady talked about the amount of money we're paying, once again
the yearly amount knocked me over. Since cindy was talking up her little
sweetie pie, Scot, and how wonderful he is at landscaping, I look to get a notice any minute now, that his company is the one we're dealing with.
For me, folks are giving cindy way too much recognition. This chick is
nothing and nobody. Every time I read a message, it speaks to the power
she has. That's only true, if we give her that power. She is out. So is
her thinking. The folks she has backed, need to have all eyes on them.
Wild bill, scot and Kris have to live in this community. The problem we have now, is getting folks to turn out for these meetings and they MUST
SPEAK THEIR MIND. No comments, no actions will change.
Please let us know what you mean by one person seated. I'm lost on that issue. We need to get direction here. Darcy needs to be gone like yesterday, so I'm on board with that. Cindy's buddies on the board and also those sprinkled in the audience, will fall by the wayside also.
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Smokecreen wrote:
I agree with you Ima Lawyer, with no exceptions. My question would be as Skeptic asked; "Our current system allows a single person to seat a board." I don't understand this. Please explain.
Ditto
jerker

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The homeowners have some rights and say so about what they want; the BOD does not have to initiate or approve everything. If we want to amend the bylaws to keep non-homeowners from serving in any capacity, all we need to do is secure enough signatures (quorum) via a petition. Then, a large contingent of the petition signers appear at the next BOD meeting and demand that it be brought before the homeowners for a vote. Any and all homeowners can attend a BOD meeting to find out what business is being considered, and by whomk.
Little Foot

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Maybe even change one other item, such as a requirement for a candidate running for the BOD, needs to have served on a committee of choice for at least 6 months to a year and attendance of POA meetings prior to running. That sounds fair to me.

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jerker wrote:
The homeowners have some rights and say so about what they want; the BOD does not have to initiate or approve everything. If we want to amend the bylaws to keep non-homeowners from serving in any capacity, all we need to do is secure enough signatures (quorum) via a petition. Then, a large contingent of the petition signers appear at the next BOD meeting and demand that it be brought before the homeowners for a vote. Any and all homeowners can attend a BOD meeting to find out what business is being considered, and by whomk.
Jerker,my hat is certainly off to you. You know, I couldn't remember who first addressed the issue of a non-homeowner running for the board so I went back and started searching through this forum to find out that info.

Jerker, it was YOU! On Oct. 13, you advised us that you had checked county tax records and discovered Scot Miller was NOT on the document. All of a sudden "BHGRE" jumps in on Oct. 15, saying "HE sold Scot Miller the house." Now that wasn't the thing that was crossed the line. No, it was BHGRE's statement about: "It was OUTRAGEOUS FOR SOMEONE SO UNEDUCATED AS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO POSTED THIS, WOULD TRY TO DISCREDIT MR. MILLER."

Now Jerker, that was a comment that seemed to fit the profile of, say, some "JERK" like Scott Cosby. You know the JERK. He's the one that said for us to "SHOP PUBLIX, NOT KROGER." You know, he's that realtor dude!
THE ONE WHO MAKES THE UNPROFESSIONAL, IGNORANT STATEMENTS LIKE "SHOP PUBLIX, NOT KROGER.

Jerker, thanks for bringing this to our attention. It got off our minds until Candidate Tish, brought it to our attention again, at the election. I personally believe if she had been elected to the board, we would not only know how to proceed, but also, we'd have her support to make sure this is successful.

Since we know the board reads this forum and that means they have also provided their attorney (not ours) with this forum information, we really need to set a time, date to discuss this issue. Not that it's a secret because we want them to know we're coming after them to get this done.

Any ideas folks, on ways to proceed for us homeowners to handle our business?
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If Jerker would identify his or her self, we should encourage to run for the board.
Smokecreen

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If Jerker would identify his or her self, we should encourage to run for the board.
I second that.
Whoop Glory

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I hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable holiday. Several topics have been put out here by several people and I thought I would put my two cents in. The next major change needs to happen with property management. Are we getting what we are paying for? I would advise each SG resident google CMA property management Atlanta reviews and take time to read through what other communities are saying about CMA. I also find it interesting that people find CMA to be horrible or excellent. There appears to be no in between. One reviewer also identified this oddity and suggested that CMA employees are logging in to many of the major sites to provide excellent reviews to “up” their rating and offset the poor ratings. This would appear to be the case as you read through the reviews notice that many people posting the excellent reviews use the same terms and phrases over and over again. Too obvious. Hmmmm I wonder if Elmer posted them. Be sure to go to this link. The first post is by Brigitte and she uses terms like unprofessional and unlawful. Sound familiar? She mentions to scroll to the bottom and read the filtered posts as well. You will be glad you did.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/community-management-...

I would encourage every able bodied person to join and attend a committee and you will see firsthand the incompetence at the Town Hall. I highly encourage as many people as possible to attend the budget/treasury meetings and you will walk away shaking your head in amazement. Although most of the problems are no longer on the board, there is still a lot of house cleaning to be done.
One person posted here the process to change the bylaws without board support. Your thinking is logical and in line. The bylaws do provide an alternate remedy for change without the board initiating and or approving it, but it will require signatures of at least 67% of the voting homeowners. Simply put, that’s a lot of signatures and it won’t happen. It has taken two separate boards three years to get the capitalization fee passed. Unless homeowner’s pocketbooks are being impacted they won’t get involved to the extent needed to make a change to the bylaws. I agree with the proposal that a board member must be a homeowner, but you have two board members that are not listed on the deeds to the homes they live in and you have Cindy Bruce advocates on the board so there will not be enough support right now.
Try this on for size. Not long ago a non-homeowner, a person renting or leasing a home in SG wanted to get involved with a committee. In fact this person wanted to be the committee chairperson. This person was outspoken and questioned and challenged everything. This person was perceived as a threat and a handful to the property manager. According to a board member this person was denied the opportunity to sit as a committee chair because they were not a homeowner. It was said the only position a non-homeowner could hold was as a volunteer on a committee. No authority was granted to a non—homeowner. All of a sudden not just one but two NON-HOMEOWNERS are sitting on the board. Since Cindy Bruce has been involved we have had a resident of the townhomes (who has their own board) and two non-homeowners sitting on the SG board.
It was a convenient policy then to keep a non-homeowner out of the property manager’s hair, but when it benefited the property manager and Cindy Bruce all of a sudden no policy ever existed. You will notice there is a lot of grey area in our bylaws and covenants. Our property manager and Cindy Bruce have learned to exploit those grey areas to their benefit.
It may not be a rule but management (property management and board members alike) should want to maintain the integrity of this community and that of the board by enforcing the unwritten rule of non-homeowners only being able to volunteer on committees and not serve on the board. Inconsistency abounds where ever Darcy and Cindy benefit.
Smokecreen

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WG, I too had read the CMA comments online a year ago. I too agree that employees are more than likely posting the positive, glowing comments. We hope that many people will start attending and volunteering on committees.

Everything that you have posted, is TRUE. Jerker, it' just not going to happen. We can barely get enough residents to vote. Good call, but not possible.(Unless it hits pockets!$$$)
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To everyone that disagrees with those of us on this blog that attempt to shed light on unethical behavior and untruths formulated by the SG board and property management take note, read the reviews on CMA. Read them closely with an open mind. You will immediately see the similarities to what SG has also experienced. Also pay close attention to the dates of the posts. They have been out there for some time. Can so many people be wrong???

It is my personal opinion the property manager has become too close to several people which automatically creates a situation where the property manager cannot function objectively. She has lost her ability to be impartial because of her close personal relationships. Has anyone else noticed has sickening close and cozy Cosby sits to Darcy at monthly meetings? This is a corporation to serve the needs of the residents of SG. The property manager is here to serve the residents of SG, serve the needs of the board and direct the board when need. The property manager has turned her position into serving the needs of a select few. It’s time for a change. There are too many personal friendships that stand in the way of running this community and doing what’s best for this community.

The only way change will come about is for homeowners to be impacted and get involved in numbers. The last thing the board wants is for a large group of angry residents to show up at a meeting. The board claims they want resident involvement….but only on their terms. As long as you sit quietly and not oppose them they are content.

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